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fishmech posted:Seems like rights get abridged pretty often, and it works
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Can't repost since I'm at work right now, but apparently George Zimmerman tweeted a naked picture and phone number of an ex girlfriend who he claims cheated on him with "a dirty muslim." What a classy guy.
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fishmech posted:Seems like rights get abridged pretty often, and it works What's Minnesota and Iowa doing? Do corn fields, the Vikings, and frozen hell winters deter gun violence?
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TheDisreputableDog posted:He flubbed Syria to the point where ISIS was able to self organize and roll back into Iraq. To blame Obama for ISIS coming into power in the Middle East is to so grossly misunderstand the Middle East, that you end up supporting the very same policies that led to ISIS coming to power in the Middle East in the first place. I think it helps to explain things in terms that make more sense at home: Imagine if every time someone in Alabama committed a murder of someone in Georgia, Georgia invaded Alabama and killed the governor. Different groups of Alabamians see there's no one in power so you get, let's say, three major groups deciding they're going to create a new Alabama. You've got the Crimson Caliphate based out of Tuscaloosa who want to replace the flag with a 15 star flag and give governing power to the coaching staff of Nick Saban; you've got the people of Opelika who vigorously disagree that the flag deserves to have 15 stars, maaaayyybbeee 10 but certainly not 15 and don't want Saban near power because he'll force Auburn to vacate their 2010 championship. Finally you have the Chickasaw who decide now is the time to act and make a state that is for and by Native Americans to create reparations for the crimes committed against them by the invading forces over a century ago. Now on top of all of that, the Georgians have been propping up their own government of Georgians, who demand that Alabamians start playing football the Georgia way which leads to resentment amongst most Alabamians, but especially the Opelika faction because Georgia has propped up Saban's caliphate as the proper governor and also Georgia burned down Oobie's Og Ouse on the way to Montgomery to depose the old governor. poo poo would get out of hand pretty got dam quickly and there'd be no clear solution because no side can win without major feelings of resentment driving the losers.
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fishmech posted:Seems like rights get abridged pretty often, and it works So at will surveillance across the board should be no problem either then? Since finding out about plans is a much more effective way of stopping jihad than, say, banning guns and waiting for the hundreds of millions in circulation today to stop working. It's just an abridged right, not even explicitly stated, so nbd
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cravius posted:haha what the gently caress is this You may have noticed, literally in the quoted post, an implication that judeo-christian values prevent genocide / ethnic cleansing. AWIJ's response is what we call a rebuttal. TheDisreputableDog posted:So at will surveillance across the board should be no problem either then? Since finding out about plans is a much more effective way of stopping jihad than, say, banning guns and waiting for the hundreds of millions in circulation today to stop working. I'm on board with giving Barack Obama universal surveillance rights of political undesirables if you are.
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JT Jag posted:What are the Dakotas doing right? Having barely any people.
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cravius posted:haha what the gently caress is this The holocaust and the US's treatment of native americans? 
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pathetic little tramp posted:To blame Obama for ISIS coming into power in the Middle East is to so grossly misunderstand the Middle East, that you end up supporting the very same policies that led to ISIS coming to power in the Middle East in the first place.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:19
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Joementum posted:We now move on to the Johnson (R-WI) amendment, which would magically re-create any healthcare plan that expired in 2013 due to Obamacare. The amendment is not agreed to 56-46. We now move on to the Brown (D-OH) amendment, which would permanently federally fund the medicaid expansion at 100%.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:20
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Joementum posted:The amendment is not agreed to 56-46. <3 Great Senator or Greatest Senator?
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zoux posted:Having barely any people. Then what the hell is wrong with Wyoming?
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Joementum posted:The amendment is not agreed to 56-46. Where did Reid's troll amendment go?!
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DemeaninDemon posted:Where did Reid's troll amendment go?! It'll be coming later. They'll be doing this all night.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Then what the hell is wrong with Wyoming? Have you been to Wyoming? Only thing to do in that hellscape is shoot stuff and drink.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Then what the hell is wrong with Wyoming? Dick Cheney is skewing the data.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Different groups of Alabamians see there's no one in power so you get, let's say, three major groups deciding they're going to create a new Alabama. You've got the Crimson Caliphate based out of Tuscaloosa who want to replace the flag with a 15 star flag and give governing power to the coaching staff of Nick Saban; you've got the people of Opelika who vigorously disagree that the flag deserves to have 15 stars, maaaayyybbeee 10 but certainly not 15 and don't want Saban near power because he'll force Auburn to vacate their 2010 championship. Finally you have the Chickasaw who decide now is the time to act and make a state that is for and by Native Americans to create reparations for the crimes committed against them by the invading forces over a century ago. Uh nice try, I've played the PS1 Final Fantasy Tactics.
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zoux posted:Dick Cheney is skewing the data. 
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JT Jag posted:What are the Dakotas doing right? DemeaninDemon posted:What's Minnesota and Iowa doing? Do corn fields, the Vikings, and frozen hell winters deter gun violence? These are gun deaths from all causes, from outright crime to accidents to someone offing themselves. The chart also doesn't keep track of say, average amount of guns per household that does have guns, so it could be that a lot of the folks in the Dakotas especially have a single old gun out on the farm in case of need versus piling up guns in a suburban house and then someone gets careless. There's also probably a correlation in there that a lot of the states with abnormally low gun deaths per population for the amount of guns own have a lower proportion of handguns in private ownership. Incidentally, if you plotted Australia as a whole on this, their dot would be at about 12% of households with guns, and their rate at 0.86 out of 100,000 (mostly suicides, at this point). And they, of course, crack down hard on handguns while it being really quite easy to have a regular shotgun or huntin' rifle. fishmech fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:You don't have to be a muslim, you know. If you don't like what others are doing in the name of your religion, change your religion like all the ex-mormon and ex-baptists in America. Leaving a religious organization or denomination isn't the same as leaving a religion. I know you're thick on purpose but come on, it's not like people leaving their Baptist churches suddenly aren't Christians. edit: even though other Baptists may say so. Vienna Circlejerk fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:The amendment is not agreed to 56-46. drat the germaineness, someone should submit an amendment banning terrorists from owning American guns. Vienna Circlejerk posted:Leaving a religious organization or denomination isn't the same as leaving a religion. I know you're thick on purpose but come on, it's not like people leaving their Baptist churches suddenly aren't Christians. I think the majority of baptists would disagree with you on that one.
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Joementum posted:The bill repeals Obamacare (and funding for Planned Parenthood), so no amendment needed for that! I am glad this is what they spend their time doing.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Then what the hell is wrong with Wyoming? 
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JT Jag posted:What are the Dakotas doing right? A lot of folk have guns for deer hunting and stuff out there, it's not a gun you'd use in a drug war.
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DemeaninDemon posted:What's Minnesota and Iowa doing? Do corn fields, the Vikings, and frozen hell winters deter gun violence? Minnesota? Low suicide rate. Gun deaths include suicide. It's part of why Wyoming and Alaska, not exactly murder hotbeds, are way up there.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:So at will surveillance across the board should be no problem either then? Since finding out about plans is a much more effective way of stopping jihad than, say, banning guns and waiting for the hundreds of millions in circulation today to stop working. What in the gently caress do you think the NSA has been doing in the last decade?
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Dec 3, 2015 20:36
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McDowell posted:Militant secularism must be domestic as well. Creationism, antivax, and other relativist 'opinions' have no place in the future. Please explain how you'd implement "militant secularism", tia
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TheDisreputableDog posted:So at will surveillance across the board should be no problem either then? Since finding out about plans is a much more effective way of stopping jihad than, say, banning guns and waiting for the hundreds of millions in circulation today to stop working. You know most people killed by guns are not killed by "radical islamists," yeah? I mean I know this is apparently a difficult concept, at best, for you to grasp, but notion that the second amendment gives gun owners complete immunity against regulation is laughable both in a strict and contextual reading.
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A Winner is Jew posted:The holocaust and the US's treatment of native americans? Yes the Holocaust is a classic example of behavior motivated by judeo-christian values. Lugnut Seatcushion fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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cravius posted:Yes the Nazi regime is a classic example of behavior motivated by judeo-christian values. You're not wrong.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You know most people killed by guns are not killed by "radical islamists," yeah? I mean I know this is apparently a difficult concept, at best, for you to grasp, but notion that the second amendment gives gun owners complete immunity against regulation is laughable both in a strict and contextual reading. Most Yazidis killed by guns are killed by "radical islamists." Despite what mainstream islamists may believe, Yazidis are people, BI NOW GAY LATER.
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mlmp08 posted:Minnesota? Low suicide rate. Which, having lived there, amazes me.
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Joementum posted:We now move on to the Brown (D-OH) amendment, which would permanently federally fund the medicaid expansion at 100%. The motion to waive is not agreed to 45-55, the amendment falls. We now move to the Collins (with Murkowski and Kirk) amendment to restore funding to Planned Parenthood.
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Joementum posted:The motion to waive is not agreed to 45-55, the amendment falls. Is Lisa not running again?
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Pick posted:Which, having lived there, amazes me. death from alcohol doesn't count as suicide
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Joementum posted:The amendment is not agreed to 56-46. My god that would be amazing. Please. Though of course it has (had?) no chance
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Raerlynn posted:What in the gently caress do you think the NSA has been doing in the last decade? (Badly and unreliably) restricted universal surveillance. 
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:If I was one of your friends/co-workers, I'd be really loving pissed at Syed Farook for giving the ignorant co-workers validity to their muslim boogeyman. Have you ever had a family member become moody for a while, or deal with depression, or even just say they were having a tough time? Would you be surprised if they then started murdering people?
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cravius posted:Yes the Nazi regime is a classic example of behavior motivated by judeo-christian values. Whats more judeo-christian than wiping out an entire people? Just ask the Canaanites or Sodom. Or hell, the whole earth minus Moses. Or we could keep it low key and just kill off the firstborn like in Egypt.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Genocide is a very profitable business model. Kill an entire ethnicity and seize their assets without reprocussion? Why not, if you aren't guided by judeo-christian values?
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