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Did that money come from a SuperPAC?
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Bip Roberts posted:But the contrapositive of that checks out. 
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Dec 8, 2015 20:25
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Goddamn it will some one tell me if guns are loving planes or not
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Dec 8, 2015 20:26
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zoux posted:Goddamn it will some one tell me if guns are loving planes or not
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SavageBastard posted:When Donald Trump becomes President we will only have ourselves to blame for our radical religious fundamentalism. Lol why yes justice kennedy is the godfather of progressivism as opposed to say FDR, Wilson, or Teddy. loving LOL. I can count on my hand the number of progressive politicians there have been in the last 30 years.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:27
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The Iron Rose posted:Yes, this is legitimately what we should do. It also doesn't help when the people screaming loudest about how the ME needs to reject religious extremism are also calling for the US to embrace it. 
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Dec 8, 2015 20:29
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CalmDownMate posted:Lol why yes justice kennedy is the godfather of progressivism as opposed to say FDR, Wilson, or Teddy. Ted Kennedy, architect of No Child Left Behind.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:29
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zoux posted:SuperPACs and billionaire donors sponsoring vanity candidates have seriously blunted the donor base that traditionally influences primaries. Unless the SuperPACs and billionaire donors can build up a veto-proof majority, they are never going to achieve any of the larger ambitions they may have.
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TyrantWD posted:Unless the SuperPACs and billionaire donors can build up a veto-proof majority, they are never going to achieve any of the larger ambitions they may have. Probably not but progressives are never going to achieve anything ever if they don't stop only caring about the presidency, because that PAC money slays in downticket races.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:32
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zoux posted:Probably not but progressives are never going to achieve anything ever if they don't stop only caring about the presidency, because that PAC money slays in downticket races. The problem is, a lot of the best candidates for down-ticket races in moderate and conservative parts of America are too moderate or conservative to interest the progressive donor class. In a lot of red states the local Democratic Party is as much to blame as gerrymandering is. \/
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zoux posted:Probably not but progressives are never going to achieve anything ever if they don't stop only caring about the presidency, because that PAC money slays in downticket races. Uhhh, they care, they've just been gerrymandered out of the game.
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TyrantWD posted:Unless the SuperPACs and billionaire donors can build up a veto-proof majority, they are never going to achieve any of the larger ambitions they may have. rotflmao
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In order for progressives to achieve things they have to learn to use populost rhetoric. Bernie has done ok with it but he's not very interesting. FDR lived, breathed, and died on that stuff. The current progressive candidates are too smart to appeal to the population. In another country that wouldn't matter.
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The primary issue is non-Presidential elections (I'd say midterm but you get those weird ones like Virginia's gubernatorial election). The primary difference between Presidential & non-Presidential elections is turnout. The specific demographic difference in turnout is youth. Not income, not race (controlling for age, anyway), but youth.
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computer parts posted:The primary issue is non-Presidential elections (I'd say midterm but you get those weird ones like Virginia's gubernatorial election). The primary difference between Presidential & non-Presidential elections is turnout. The specific demographic difference in turnout is youth. Not income, not race (controlling for age, anyway), but youth. I knew I was justified in my hatred of millenials... Bip Roberts posted:Uhhh, they care, they've just been gerrymandered out of the game. Lack of Democratic voter turnout in off year elections is well established. Thank god Cruz has cracked this nut 
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Dec 8, 2015 20:41
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zoux posted:Thank god Cruz has cracked this nut Can someone cc this plan to Obama? I think it might help.
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Mulva posted:No, we must always be civil and not use words like liar, facist or racist; those are taboo. gently caress that, it's high time we had a Joe Wilson moment with the latest GOP lying rear end in a top hat.
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CalmDownMate posted:In order for progressives to achieve things they have to learn to use populost rhetoric. Bernie has done ok with it but he's not very interesting. noted pro-concentration camp progressive franklin delano roosevelt
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zoux posted:Thank god Cruz has cracked this nut 
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CalmDownMate posted:In order for progressives to achieve things they have to learn to use populost rhetoric. Bernie has done ok with it but he's not very interesting. Yeah, and it worked out real well for black people didn't it
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Luigi Thirty posted:Yeah, and it worked out real well for black people didn't it It's working even better for Muslims!
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New USA Today national poll: Caveats about polling not mattering this far out but it matters in this way: everyone below Bush is likely at the kiddie table next week. Also adios Carson. Same poll said that 68% of Trump supporters would follow him if he ran third-party. So, bet that. zoux fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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Dec 8, 2015 20:52
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zoux posted:Thank god Cruz has cracked this nut
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Dec 8, 2015 20:54
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Trump losing the primaries and running third party would give me a boner the size of a hypothetical Mexican border wall.
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zoux posted:New USA Today national poll: Looks like Republicans are in agreement with Fiorina that she's a lump of coal in the stocking. weekly font posted:Trump losing the primaries and running third party would give me a boner the size of a hypothetical Mexican border wall. Also this.
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weekly font posted:Trump losing the primaries and running third party would give me a boner the size of a hypothetical Mexican border wall. Hillary will laugh so hard that she unhinges her jaw, reveals her true reptilian form and swallows America whole, including Alaska. May she have many young!
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Dec 8, 2015 21:03
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zoux posted:Goddamn it will some one tell me if guns are loving planes or not and how does the Iron Giant factor in to all this, Senator? It's flying around while openly claiming to not be a gun. Furthermore, does this indicate that if the people working in the WTC on 9/11 had been concealed carrying their own planes, they would have been able to hold off the attackers? Additional research is probably needed.
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foobardog posted:Hillary will laugh so hard that she unhinges her jaw, reveals her true reptilian form and swallows America whole, including Alaska. Imagine if Hillary winning 500 EVs due to a Trump third party run caused Republicans to bring an end to First Past the Post.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Imagine if Hillary winning 500 EVs due to a Trump third party run caused Republicans to bring an end to First Past the Post. Don't make me dream please
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Dec 8, 2015 21:12
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So have we talked yet about the funding for Health Care of 9/11 first responders not being renewed?
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zoux posted:
And let's be honest, the GOP's field would be a mess of has bins and wannabe Trumps. Do it Trump. Do it.
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Dec 8, 2015 21:14
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zoux posted:
To be the devil on that shoulder.
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CommieGIR posted:And let's be honest, the GOP's field would be a mess of has bins and wannabe Trumps. Honestly it's just going to make the RNC do less to oppose him then they would otherwise. It's extremely doubtful the Republicans take the WH with Trump as the nominee, but it's all but impossible with him as a third party. Assuming polling is accurate, he's drawing about 10% of the general electorate, probably almost all of whom are Republicans.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:So have we talked yet about the funding for Health Care of 9/11 first responders not being renewed? well surely if we just vote for the lesser evil next time this will be rectified
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Dec 8, 2015 21:15
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zoux posted:
I feel as though you could replace this tweet with "Dear GOP: I win or else" and it'd be no less subtle.
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Dec 8, 2015 21:16
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You know what America needs in these trying times? QVC, but for guns.
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Dec 8, 2015 21:16
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zoux posted:
Hey I'm a little rusty, what's the appropriate blood sacrifice in this case?
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zoux posted:Honestly it's just going to make the RNC do less to oppose him then they would otherwise. It's extremely doubtful the Republicans take the WH with Trump as the nominee, but it's all but impossible with him as a third party. Assuming polling is accurate, he's drawing about 10% of the general electorate, probably almost all of whom are Republicans. Pretty much, he couldn't win but then it would sabotage the GOP election as well.
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His twitter picture is so threatening I love it. It's like every tweet is an open and defiant challenge.
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