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Cultural Imperial posted:Did you guys see Albertans are calling for Notley to be murdered for passing some farm labor safety bill? loving lol. If Albertans aren't the worst loving scum on earth I don't know what is I hope they get caught and get sent to prison, because we really have too many complete loving retards wandering around free in this province.
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PT6A posted:I hope they get caught and get sent to prison, because we really have too many complete loving retards wandering around free in this province. Thanks. Sadly, we still have many more.
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# ? Dec 11, 2015 23:28 |
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PT6A posted:I hope they get caught and get sent to prison, because we really have too many complete loving retards wandering around free in this province. gently caress, I'll second that. Threatening to assassinate a political leader over a loving farm bill is so far over the top that whomever does it should spend a bit of time as a guest of Her Majesty until they've calmed the hell down. Wish prison actually worked that way.
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# ? Dec 11, 2015 23:37 |
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Cultural Imperial posted:Did you guys see Albertans are calling for Notley to be murdered for passing some farm labor safety bill? loving lol. If Albertans aren't the worst loving scum on earth I don't know what is I dared to read the comments on the CBC's article today: quote:While the threats of violence are absolutely unacceptable, the politicians in Alberta need to look long and hard in the mirror. If they're intent on pushing through bills without consultation and without input, they're going to get pushback from frustrated people and groups. quote:How do we know who's side the RCMP are on? Call in the army. quote:I don't see a difference between someone uttering threats and social media. If someone was talking to you in the street the way these luddites are on social media, they would be arrested, charged with uttering threats and probably have a psych assessment done. Because people are on facebook/ twitter, there seems to be a grey area. Maybe the NDP should pass a law to ensure internet threats carry the same weight as an in-person threat. quote:they are cutting their own throats as they say or "bringing it upon themselves" by their actions. trying to change a province or country overnight will never work and there will be dire consequences when you are ruining peoples lives on a daily basis. Thats socialism for you.
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# ? Dec 11, 2015 23:41 |
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Constant Hamprince posted:I support a greater role for religion in the federal government so long as it means we can declare Anglicanism the state religion and put Papist devil-worshiping traitors like Kenney in camps. I like how they were all, "fine, we'll put God in there if it'll placate you conservative wankers" and ever since the courts have been like "yeah that doesn't actually mean anything. Sorry bout it"
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# ? Dec 11, 2015 23:44 |
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We need to round up all these wheat king hosers and send them to Afghanistan as bacha bazi tribute to appease the Taliban Boom two birds with one stone
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I am lolling at the humongous alligator tears over Vancouver's 12 new bike lanes. Mayor moonbeam is a loving moron but this suburban angst is delicious
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https://www.facebook.com/GlobalNews/videos/934330436614722/ Trudeau's speech at Pearson welcoming refugees. There's a bit in there about giving them SINs and health cards that I like because it will drive conservatives insane. The rest of it I like because it paints a vision of Canada that I want to see more of, as a welcoming and inclusive place.
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vyelkin posted:https://www.facebook.com/GlobalNews/videos/934330436614722/ Canada takes in thousands of refugees a year, and has for decades. We've even taken in Muslim refugees in significant numbers in the past. This is getting a lot of attention for being an election promise and a big PR event for Trudeau, so natch it's going to get people all ratcheted up if they already have a hate-on for Muslims. I saw a comment on one of these stories were one person went "I hope Trudeau didn't give them a Canada Goose jacket! That's better than most Canadians can afford." and the reply goes, "If you can't compete with an 18 month old refugee with no winter coat, that's not on them, that's on you."
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The Ottawa Experimental Farm has been under threat from development for some time. Now with the new government it's time to see if they're serious about science:quote:If Trudeau’s serious about science, he’ll prove it with the Experimental Farm
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I agree it seems a lot of hullabaloo for only a slight uptick in what Canada accepts normally, but given the slapfights in the US and some of the objections of the New Right in Europe it feels... nice? I normally feel a kind of corrosive cynicism about Canada and I not-felt that for almost entire minutes at a time while reading those #welcometocanada tweets. I think what broke me is that one of my millennial cousins came and asked me how he should defend it to his dad over Christmas dinner completely unprompted. These world stage moves are often not that substantial in reality, but they can be potent symbols nonetheless. EDIT-Jeez guys I'm all verklempt here. Is this optimism or an incipient stroke? http://www.straight.com/arts/596361/vancouver-mens-chorus-sings-gay-syrian-refugees Scaramouche fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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Cultural Imperial posted:I am lolling at the humongous alligator tears over Vancouver's 12 new bike lanes. Mayor moonbeam is a loving moron but this suburban angst is delicious Yep im happy to keep him around as long as the alternative is NPA shitheads. Suburban motorist rage is the sweetest syrup. COPE was pretty bad too at the end and a lot of them are now in charge of the BCNDP
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THC posted:Yep im happy to keep him around as long as the alternative is NPA shitheads. Suburban motorist rage is the sweetest syrup. COPE are a bunch of incurable fuckwits. I'm seriously considering a quixotic mayoral run next time on a platform of: -Saving millions of dollars by mandating free housing for everyone, and building it on city land that is set to be sold off to developers, and -Creating a public Internet utility that would offer $20 a month FTTN to any resident who wants it. I probably wouldn't win but by God I'd have some fun.
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# ? Dec 12, 2015 01:55 |
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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/12/11/justin-trudeau-still-riding-high-in-popular-support-poll-shows.html The bitter, bitter tears of National Post columnists sustains me.
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# ? Dec 12, 2015 03:12 |
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You know after reading all the articles, and all the comments (some juicy ones on NPR and Times of India) about this Syrian refugee thing I've come to realize, gently caress em. I would rather die in hope than live in fear.
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Scaramouche posted:I agree it seems a lot of hullabaloo for only a slight uptick in what Canada accepts normally, but given the slapfights in the US and some of the objections of the New Right in Europe it feels... nice? I normally feel a kind of corrosive cynicism about Canada and I not-felt that for almost entire minutes at a time while reading those #welcometocanada tweets. I think what broke me is that one of my millennial cousins came and asked me how he should defend it to his dad over Christmas dinner completely unprompted. These world stage moves are often not that substantial in reality, but they can be potent symbols nonetheless. It's honestly a little strange to feel something positive about Canada these days other than "thank Christ I wasn't born in America. Trudeau may be another useless small-c conservative leader of a useless party that tricks people into thinking it's progressive, but he's at least doing a good job with this stuff.
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# ? Dec 12, 2015 04:19 |
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ChairMaster posted:Trudeau may be another useless small-c conservative leader of a useless party that tricks people into thinking it's progressive, How about an informal moratorium on this sort of blazing insight, ironic or otherwise, until JT actually does something worthy of it?
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# ? Dec 12, 2015 04:31 |
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He's pretty liberal.
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# ? Dec 12, 2015 04:35 |
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Brannock posted:How about an informal moratorium on this sort of blazing insight, ironic or otherwise, until JT actually does something worthy of it? I'd say the burden lies with him to change a perfectly reasonable assumption based on the party that he's the leader of.
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# ? Dec 12, 2015 04:41 |
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The onus is on the Liberals to prove that they will not, in fact, Lib.
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# ? Dec 12, 2015 04:55 |
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I find it fitting that the poster most willing to get deep dicked by Trudeau II is not old enough to remember what a loving dumpster fire of corruption the Chretien liberals were.
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Brannock posted:How about an informal moratorium on this sort of blazing insight, ironic or otherwise, until JT actually does something worthy of it? So, did you miss this, or is it just convenient to ignore? Helsing posted:I realize this article has already been posted but I feel like it really calls out for a bit of annotation. ... Cultural Imperial posted:I find it fitting that the poster most willing to get deep dicked by Trudeau II is not old enough to remember what a loving dumpster fire of corruption the Chretien liberals were. IIRC he's an American, he has no experience with Liberal government at all infernal machines fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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Sorry that I don't want to read endless and identical griping about how the libs are totally gonna lib anyday now! Yes Bill Morneau is bad etc
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Brannock posted:How about an informal moratorium on this sort of blazing insight, ironic or otherwise, until JT actually does something worthy of it? So far Trudeau was off by 60% on refugees they'd get in this year, 40% off on revenue from 1% tax hike, the mortgage changes today were a joke, he changed the $10b deficit promise to a goal and bizarrely asked a bunch of civil servants to voluntarily resign so he could appoint his own shills. The guy is good at symbolic gestures and photo ops. There's lots of money to spend now, give him a few years of Buttsing the debt and the austerity will come just like Ontario. Edit: And he's going to cancel mincome for parents. Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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Brannock posted:Sorry that I don't want to read endless and identical griping about how the libs are totally gonna lib anyday now! Yes Bill Morneau is bad etc So the Libs are already libbing, but we can just pretend it isn't happening as long as it isn't covered in the popular press.
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PT6A posted:I hope they get caught and get sent to prison, because we really have too many complete loving retards wandering around free in this province. At the least, the guy will be nailed with a criminal charge against a Govt. official. I think that is what they did to the crazies who threatened Klein a few times in the 90's. On the context of the farmers, and I cant believe I'm the only one sticking up for the proletariat on D&D but C-6 is going to really ruin farm economics. In much the same way health insurance is a major drain on a company's working capital (vs. self directed plans) adding meaningless compensation and labor plans to a farm will mean marginal farms (family plots) will be uneconomic, esp. in this wheat/oat/corn/soy environment. Unlike US Agricrops, where most of the farming is done by mega corps and heavily automated farming, Canada is about 80% family operated farms. Since many children on farms work for their University fund, the effect of placing family 'college funds' into EI and Alberta union benifits is actually a wealth transfer, and is a major reason why the farmers are upset. But hey, yokels voted for NDP, so I enjoy watching their salty tears. All those old farming oligarchs can suck my salty dick on the way back to Ontario or Quebec. To get back to the explanation; This implies most labor on a farm is family hands, or cash croppers who work on a seasonal basis whenever the harvest or cash planting occurs. Under the new bill, at 7% margins (the average gross for an Alberta Rancher/Farmer) their plots will need to have at least 100 acres under till to make the world go round, on a US dollar adjusted basis. Since I don't see too many Nebraska style mega-farms in the EID, this will mean most farms (the "middle class" of alberta) will need to sell out, lowering the depleted Alberta dairy & meat industry yields over the next 3 years due to the lag in restocking which happens after major land holdings are consolidated. During this period, since AB relies heavily on corporate taxation of which farming is a component this will actually make Alberta much more dependent on oil revenues over the 2017-2020 period. Which will in turn require her to introduce a PST to meet the debt/credit agency bond ratings for Alberta Muni's which start rolling over in 2018 and need to maintain a certain tax revenue to keep their borrowing yield.
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Hal_2005 posted:At the least, the guy will be nailed with a criminal charge against a Govt. official. I think that is what they did to the crazies who threatened Klein a few times in the 90's.
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Are you seriously arguing that family farms cannot afford to follow health and safety regulations? If we have to make sure Timmy doesn't fall into the grain thresher, the bank is gonna take the farm Ma! infernal machines fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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Hal_2005 posted:
Alberta farm and ranch producers with waged individuals who are not the owner or related to the owner will be affected. Farm families who do not have any waged workers will not be affected. Unpaid farm and ranch workers, such as relatives, friends and neighbours helping out on the family farm, will not be affected. Children doing chores or participating in 4-H are also not affected. OHS has jurisdiction on a farm or ranch where there are wage earners who are not family members of the owner. Bill 6 does not apply to recreational activities, such as hunting on farmland.
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T8R posted:Alberta farm and ranch producers with waged individuals who are not the owner or related to the owner will be affected. hal2005 caught straight up lying again.
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Cultural Imperial posted:hal2005 caught straight up lying again. Nope. Kindly check the act dumbass. I had to read it more then twice with legal counsel verifying each statement so dig deeper then a NDP press release which is totally unbiased, amirte? Edit: Jesus you wasted 3 posts on 1 explanation? When did you go off your meds? Farm margins are so well documented as a cash intensive operation I'm not sure how I could even argue against trying to explain farming is not exactly a earnings rich field of work. Farms work on trade credit. They also work on operating loans financed by their crop insurance premiums and sold forward contracts for harvested production. Layering into this poo poo sandwich, nearly all farmland and machinery is financed by land leases/mortgages. So pray tell, CI (keeper of D&D's domestic debt bubblewatch), how can overleveraged families who monetize all land revenue each year to meet their operating interest payments find fresh cash to set aside for defined benefit accounts remitted to the AB govt ? Seriously, its Friday. Go out. Get laid. Hal_2005 fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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Ikantski posted:So far Trudeau was off by 60% on refugees they'd get in this year, 40% off on revenue from 1% tax hike, the mortgage changes today were a joke, he changed the $10b deficit promise to a goal and bizarrely asked a bunch of civil servants to voluntarily resign so he could appoint his own shills. The guy is good at symbolic gestures and photo ops. There's lots of money to spend now, give him a few years of Buttsing the debt and the austerity will come just like Ontario. Let's not pretend those patronage appointment extensions weren't completely hosed.
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infernal machines posted:Are you seriously arguing that family farms cannot afford to follow health and safety regulations? "On the context of the farmers, and I cant believe I'm the only one sticking up for the proletariat on D&D but C-6 is going to really ruin farm economics. In much the same way health insurance is a major drain on a company's working capital (vs. self directed plans) adding meaningless compensation and labor plans to a farm will mean marginal farms (family plots) will be uneconomic, esp. in this wheat/oat/corn/soy environment. Unlike US Agricrops, where most of the farming is done by mega corps and heavily automated farming, Canada is about 80% family operated farms. " "In much the same way health insurance is a major drain on a company's working capital (vs. self directed plans) adding meaningless compensation and labor plans to a farm will mean marginal farms (family plots) will be uneconomic, esp. in this wheat/oat/corn/soy environment" "health insurance is a major drain on a company's working capital" Basically I'm going to support this farm bill forever in the hopes that it might be even half as bad for Canadians as nationalized healthcare.
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Hal_2005 posted:Nope. Kindly check the act dumbass. I had to read it more then twice with legal counsel verifying each statement so dig deeper then a NDP press release which is totally unbiased, amirte? keep doubling down fuckhead my legal council says kindly go eat out their rear end in a top hat
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Hal_2005 posted:Nope. Kindly check the act dumbass. I had to read it more then twice with legal counsel verifying each statement so dig deeper then a NDP press release which is totally unbiased, amirte? Okay, so what specifically about family farms makes it uneconomical to follow basic health and safety laws that apply to all other businesses? And, what makes their business viable and worthy of special exemption if this is the case?
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Cultural Imperial posted:keep doubling down fuckhead Hey come on CI, my uncle works for Nintendo and he totally said that this act is bad.
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I can't speak to farms generally, but my uncle owns a sub-100 acre dairy farm who had his three kids work as unpaid labour. One of them does not have a hand any more. Because it got eaten by the thresher. When he was 12.
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vyelkin posted:Hey come on CI, my uncle works for Nintendo and he totally said that this act is bad. my legal council says your uncle is probably going to be out of a job soon
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Also for GTA people the Crombie report is out on the Greenbelt.. The committee focused on farmers' concerns that the current Greenbelt Plan's "protected countryside" emphasizes preservation of pastoral scenery, and has been indifferent to the needs of the agri-food sector: quote:Healthy Agricultural Economy From the executive summary: quote:Supporting Agriculture To me, the executive summary has a bunch of good recommendations, such as: protection of critical watersheds within the Greenbelt, including climate change considerations into future planning decisions, and addressing dirt dumping concerns - "improving the management of excess soil from development sites" - which has become a big problem in Durham region.
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Scaramouche posted:I can't speak to farms generally, but my uncle owns a sub-100 acre dairy farm who had his three kids work as unpaid labour. One of them does not have a hand any more. Because it got eaten by the thresher. When he was 12. Whoa dude, does your uncle have a file with hal2005's legal council?
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