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http://infinitythegame.com/article.php?id=131 achilles 2.0
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Cat Face Joe posted:I've got my first tourney on Sunday. Here's my list, all criticisms are welcome. Other models I have available are Joan, a father knight, another fusilier, and a boarding shotgun ORC. I think you want to try for 10 models, especially if you're including an AD troop and/or want the option to start the Croc Man in hidden deployment. - Croc man as minelayer is not a bad idea, but the Croc man is actually the best specialist and best offensive hacker you've got, and should be kept in. - I would rethink the fusilier hacker, I don't think a non-assault hacking device brings much, except controlling the Akali's combat jump, which is often a waste of an order rather than just taking the risk, or using AD2 to walk the Akali on. - Try making the Auxilia into FOs, which works really well with their HFT bots, and gain the points by deploying unupgraded fusiliers. This throws a bit of confusion on who your Lt is. - Your spec ops is all over the place. An EXP CCW is a waste, on a model without the skills to get into close combat or to necessarily win once he's in there. Inferior infiltration and hacking device are both decent ideas, but a multirifle is very situational over a combi - perhaps a more close range weapon like a shotgun to complement his role as an aggressive infiltrating specialist?
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Jan 1, 2016 18:51
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9 models isn't that bad at 200 pts, but I agree with the rest.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:45
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OK, updated per the suggestions. Only issue now is I have 202 points and I can't find a place to cut them. Any ideas? Edit: For some reason the Indigo won't update. They now have a boarding shotgun, specialist troop, and infiltration.  PanOceania────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1   10  0  0 INDIGO Combi Rifle, MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Knife, EXP CC Weapon. (10 / 12XP) MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1 Hacking Device, Inferior Infiltration AKAL COMMANDO Combi Rifle / Pistol, E/M CCW. (22) NISSE MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) ORC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (40) CROC MAN Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 36) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (15)  AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (15) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)2 SWC | 202 Points Open with Army 5 Cat Face Joe fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 21:09
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That Achilles is as scary as every, in one way I'd prefer to face it over the ODD version, but ODD can be dealt with via flamethrower; mimetism is permanent. Cat Face Joe posted:OK, updated per the suggestions. Only issue now is I have 202 points and I can't find a place to cut them. Any ideas? That sounds like a much better idea for a Spec Ops. Is there a cheaper Akali option? Shotgun or something?
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Jan 1, 2016 21:28
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Changed Akal to a boarding shotgun and removed FO from one of the Auxilias. Indigo is still showing up as the old one. Thanks for the help. PanOceania ────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 10 0 0 INDIGO Combi Rifle, MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Knife, EXP CC Weapon. (10 / 12XP) MOV:10-10 CC:13 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1 Hacking Device, Inferior Infiltration NISSE MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) ORC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (40) CROC MAN Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 36) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) AKAL COMMANDO Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, E/M CCW. (21) AUXILIA Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (14) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (15) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)2 SWC | 200 Points Open with Army 5
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Jan 1, 2016 21:57
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So he's slightly less dodgy (Kinematika L1 instead of L2) and has Mimetism instead of ODD, which makes him easier to hit but also makes him way less vulnerable to a random suicide grunt with a flamethrower (because Mimetism doesn't burn off and ARM 6 means a better chance of not eating a wound than ARM 4 against a FT/HFT), and he can be fit into any list which can fit Original Flavor Achilles in. Beautiful.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:40
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It's a new year, so for our first Infinity Night of 2016 I think that I'd like to bring a new army. I've got enough that I can piece this together: Neoterran Capitaline Army────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 10 0 0 SWISS GUARD Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 70) AQUILA HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 62) FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12) FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (15)  AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (15) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4) CSU Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (12)Group 2 1 0 0 SWISS GUARD Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 69)6 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 5 I think it'll be quite classically solid. 
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Jan 2, 2016 09:27
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Corbeau posted:It's a new year, so for our first Infinity Night of 2016 I think that I'd like to bring a new army. I've got enough that I can piece this together: 2 Swiss Guard . . . pretty nasty straightforward shooting list. Is the plan to Hidden Deployment the ML Swiss Guard and then swap him into the main group to replace casualties?
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Jan 2, 2016 12:14
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Yeah, pretty much. I do this with a sniper all the time in MO; timing and positioning are everything. This is basically doubling down on that gambit.
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Jan 2, 2016 22:45
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Just finished painting 6 Jaguars - I have no idea how I'm going to face the 8 Alguaciles that are up next. Batch painting Infinity is much harder than 40k, for some reason.
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Jan 3, 2016 00:11
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New Achilles profile is really, really good
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Jan 3, 2016 01:13
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WAR FOOT posted:New Achilles profile is really, really good
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Jan 3, 2016 16:55
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Koopa Kid posted:This is just a pet peeve but I really don't like when models are holding the head/standing on a corpse of a specific enemy. It's just kinda tacky, and annoying from a roleplaying/my immersion standpoint. I love the idea that no matter who Achilles is fighting or where he is in the Human Sphere, he always brings that one severed Morat head with him to wave at the enemy while he screams at them. Like, everyone else in Steel Phalanx loving hates it because it's all rotten, decomposed and stinks, but Achilles doesn't care because he needs something nasty to wave angrily at the other guys.
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Jan 4, 2016 16:00
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WAR FOOT posted:New Achilles profile is really, really good Isn't it just basically the same as V1, but trading ODD for mimetism and +2 armor? Also kinametica lvl2 to 1 I guess.
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Jan 4, 2016 17:55
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Joe_Richter posted:Isn't it just basically the same as V1, but trading ODD for mimetism and +2 armor? Also kinametica lvl2 to 1 I guess. It seems pretty boring, yeah. Mostly looks like an excuse to make a new Phalanx model.
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Jan 4, 2016 18:18
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Played my first tournament yesterday. Three rounds, quadrant control, capture the antenna, and anhilliation. 1st round was definitely my best. For the first time I really felt like I was in control of my squad. I'd never hacked anything before but his TAG came so close to my camo croc man hacker I had no choice but to ask the ref how to do it. Rolled a critical and stopped it cold. Later I managed to smoke three of a five man fire team with a shotgun blast from an AD Sikh commando. Ultimately lost but it was close. 2nd round started out well for me but then became a hard stalemate for the central antenna. I used my croc man hacker to drop a mine near it and then recloak. In order to take it I had to move to the other side of it so I'd be out of his TAG's lof. I make the move and I'm about to take the antenna when my opponent says to hold on and places a TO marker right next to me. My cloaked hacker had bumped into his HD cloaked Oniwaban. We call the ref over and after a lot of discussion and rule checking he declares that we both decloak and are in CC. Of course my hacker is destroyed immediately. My Auxilia and his bot fire at him and he dodges both, moving closer and putting him in range of my spec ops who finished the job. We end up tied 3 to 3. 3rd round I went against an Ariadna squad who rushed me with wolf men and I was quickly overrun. He also managed to get both his classifieds completely wrecking me 10 to 0. Had a great time, looking forward to the upcoming escalation league.
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Jan 4, 2016 19:01
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One of my regular opponents keeps forgetting that you cant use minelayer to cover my poor Foxtrots in mines before the game beings. Really Enjoying my time with USAriadna so far. My Devil Dog either rampages across the board in a murder spree or makes the sound of a wet fart and dies. However I looked on Angels blog and he teased about a new Morat model he was painting so I think it's almost time to bust out the Red Angry Monkey Patrol. Gotta get some playtime with those sweet sweet Rodoks!
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Jan 5, 2016 01:52
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So, over the holidays one of my gifts was the USAriadna Army Pack. I'm going to be building it over the next couple weeks, but in the meantime, what are some good resources for someone new to Infinity? I've been looking around the wiki and reading the rules online, but was hoping there were some other things. Especially podcasts to have going while I build the minis. Or good battle reports on youtube or something like that. Also, does it work to proxy minis from 40k for Infinity? Like, for just a couple of games? I have a friend who has shown interest in wanting to start it with me, but doesn't have the money right now to jump in. He does have a huge Tau army though that he could use. I am sure it isn't ideal, but will it cause huge issues with LOS or something? Really, any general advice for starting Infinity would be appreciated as well.
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Jan 5, 2016 03:37
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A Real Horse posted:
Since infinity uses standardized silhouette templates as long as the models are on the correct sized bases it shouldn't be much of an issue. As far as batrep videos the only ones I really know about are the ones Beasts of War did back with one of the Infinity game creators for the USAriadna release. Beasts also has lots of tactics videos that will probably help you out. And with podcasts the only one I really listen to is Mayacast, mostly for the scenario discussions. Beasts of War USAriadna 300 point batrep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxzu7MRK-H8 http://mayacast.com/ If you find USAriadna fun don't be afraid to "borrow" models from general Ariadna or even other factions to fill out your limited model selection pool, I've got the female Hunzakut on the way that I am planning on just swapping out her space AK for a Ariadna space Galil. Oh, and the cardstock terrain packs Corvus has are really great for filling out a table while getting started, your US box should have one in it already so I would recommend picking up another terrain pack to decently fill out a table
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Jan 5, 2016 04:22
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GMG has a bunch of Infinity bat reps. Just look up Radio Free Neoterra on Youtube and you'll have a bunch of material to play while you assemble stuff. I prefer listening to podcasts while I model stuff. But I think if you're (an even greener) newb than I am it many may not benefit you as much as watching people play. But mayacast is a good one. I also enjoy Personal Flash Paper. PFP is more for tournament prep though a lot of games use ITS - the tournament system for balance.
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Jan 5, 2016 06:31
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A Real Horse posted:I've been looking around the wiki and reading the rules online, but was hoping there were some other things. Especially podcasts to have going while I build the minis. Or good battle reports on youtube or something like that. A Real Horse posted:Also, does it work to proxy minis from 40k for Infinity? Like, for just a couple of games? A Real Horse posted:Really, any general advice for starting Infinity would be appreciated as well. Also, once you've played a few timers, I highly recommend the 20x20 mission system (which you can find on the Infinity Forums, and probably also through Google). They are nicely balanced and all but a handful of the primary and secondary objectives are very beginner friendly. Getting yourself used to objective-based play from the beginning will help if you want to play competitively later. It's also just more fun and interesting than "kill 'em all" games.
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Jan 5, 2016 06:40
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So the new rules for the Tohaa beasts are out. Pretty loving sweet, with a fairly standard LI (but bullshit Tohaa unhackable 2-wound LI) and 1 shooting or 1-2 CC beasts accompanying as G:Synchronized. I have to say, looking at the CC beasts especially (V:Dogged, excellent CC with viral CCW, 6-4 MOV) I sometimes wonder how long Infinity can maintain its reputation for good balance. As the community becomes larger and its groupthink more efficient, I can see certain strategies and better/worse units emerging as the conventional wisdom. When I started a few years ago you would commonly be told 'the models you take don't matter, they're all good and you can win with whatever'. Nowadays, due to more knowledge, more unit variety, and maybe the excellence of certain options - admittedly every faction has some of these, and none of them are invincible in the way some units in other games are - I can look at an opponent's open list and say whether he really understands the game or not. (Still a well balanced game overall)
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Jan 5, 2016 18:59
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What sorts of things would you consider to be red flags when looking an at open list? Maybe not red flags, but inexperienced/noob mistakes?
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Jan 5, 2016 19:06
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When I see 14+ models, covering every major role, I know that poo poo is going to go down. Doubly so if there are obvious holes that would be filled by camo or AD units. When someone brings a ~10 models list with multiple overlapping expensive troops, I know that they're new.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:13
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Can I plug an SA Mart poast here? If yes, I'm selling a PanO vanilla starter set. If not, I'll edit this out.
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Jan 6, 2016 03:07
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I've been playing a lot of sectorial lists lately, but I've decided to take a stab at vanilla Ariadna. How do this list look? In missions like Beaconland where spamming specialists is especially important, I'll probably be dropping one volunteer and the hardcase to fit in a Foxtrot FO. 11 Camo tokens start on the board  Ariadna────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 9 1 0 112 Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (12) CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 21) SPETSNAZ (CH: Ambush Camouflage) HMG / Pistol, CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 38) VAN ZANT AP Rifle / Heavy Pistol, AP CCW. (38) VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (6) TANKHUNTER Lieutenant AP Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 25) TANKHUNTER Portable Autocannon, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) CHASSEUR (Minelayer) Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20) CHASSEUR (Forward Observer) Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (20) UXÍA McNEILL (Covert Action) (CH: Limited Camouflage, Superior Infiltration, Specialist Troop) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / 2 Assault Pistols, AP CCW, Knife. (27)Group 2 5 2 1 IRMANDINHO Chain Rifle, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (8) HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (12) LINE KAZAK Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (9) TRAKTOR MUL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (5) VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (6) TRAKTOR MUL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (5) DOZER (Traktor Mul Control Device) Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (14)5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 5
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Jan 6, 2016 06:49
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Why is Symbiote Armor so aggressively costed when compared to NWI? Both have similar vulnerabilities - I'd even argue that Shock weapons are more deadly than Flame in N3.
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Jan 6, 2016 12:34
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Shock weapons don't work on NWI models with 2 wounds, while SA is consistent. Maybe the pricing doesn't adequately reflect how different NWI works depending on base wounds. As that is the big complaint about the gorgos.
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Jan 6, 2016 20:02
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Cyclomatic posted:Shock weapons don't work on NWI models with 2 wounds, while SA is consistent. Maybe the pricing doesn't adequately reflect how different NWI works depending on base wounds. As that is the big complaint about the gorgos. I agree that the fire weakness becomes exponentially a bigger deal as the Wounds and pts cost of the model goes up. At least Tohaa get that pokemon thing which eats the first hit (often not enough to save them). I have to say I think Symbiont armour is less a big deal for the heavies, as good as the effective 3W is, and more a bonus for the fairly cheap models with 2W - a point or 2 of ARM/BS is a pretty good price to pay for super-budget 2W models, which usually don't exist outside of warband/HI hybrids with exclusively template weapons.
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Jan 6, 2016 20:55
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Cyclomatic posted:Shock weapons don't work on NWI models with 2 wounds, Huh? Why not?
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Jan 6, 2016 23:06
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Because Shock only kills things with One base wound, and NWI with 2 would still get to use the NWI
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Jan 6, 2016 23:14
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Viral still works good on NWI though, which helps Tohaa out a lot. Symbiont armor also tends to drop a units stats once it drops off, not making them useless, but definitely another downside when compared to NWI.
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Jan 7, 2016 00:20
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tohaa are big stinky poopy butts this is a post to remind you all that I'm alive and watching Also Achilles 2.0 is up for pre-order at my FLGS and we already sold gently caress loads 
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Jan 7, 2016 01:05
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Speaking of Achilles, I played my third game of Infinity against Aleph. The list didn't have Achilles, but it did have Phoenix and my Father-Knight managed to eat a rocket to the face and survive! Yay! Other highlights include my opponent hitting my Lieutenant with an adhesive launcher and then figuring "yeah - he's incapacitated enough" before moving on to try and kill more threatening things. My Sikh Commando sticking his landing before going on a shotgun rampage. He was cremated by some sort of HFT wielding droid. An Aleph doctor killing himself with his auto medkit. And my Father-Knight saying "gently caress it" before making the Hail Mary play up the gut to chop a sniper to pieces in the last turn. This guy hadn't played in a while, and I'm still green as they come. So we just decided to kill each other and see what was left after three turns. I think I would have won if we had gone by value of what was killed, but in terms of total kills we were only at three kills for me and two kills for him (with on more unconscious). Aleph seem like they have a lot of sneaky tricks. I was a little upset by the amount of MSV2 they had negating my freshly painted Hexas (with a sniper rifle, that I used as a Combi rifle and hacking device). I enjoyed my first three intro games with PanO and now am looking to break out my recently painted Nomads for a test drive. All my games thus far have been learning games with no real objectives. How does this look in terms of being Babies First ITS list? These are all the models I have - and I'm not above proxying them as other things.  Nomads────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 9 0 0 IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71) SPEKTR Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 36) MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (39) GRENZER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32) INTRUDER HMG, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 42) REVEREND HEALER MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (37) ALGUACIL Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18) ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12) ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)6 SWC | 299 Points Open with Army 5 I guess the one thing about this list is that it should be really simple to figure out who the lieutenant is. On the flip side - it seems like I'm the only one at this FLGS that comes to Infinity nights and is using models from Operation IceStorm. So maybe it's not rear end obvious as I think it is?
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Jan 7, 2016 03:42
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Renfield posted:Because Shock only kills things with One base wound, and NWI with 2 would still get to use the NWI But if the model had lost a wound previously, a new shock hit would cancel NWI, right?
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Jan 7, 2016 05:48
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Not a viking posted:But if the model had lost a wound previously, a new shock hit would cancel NWI, right? Not to the best of my knowledge. It's profile wounds, not current wounds, iirc.
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Jan 7, 2016 06:17
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WAR FOOT posted:Not to the best of my knowledge. It's profile wounds, not current wounds, iirc. Correct; two wounds, as a stat on the profile, provides complete immunity to shock. It might as well come with the literal skill Shock Immunity.
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Jan 7, 2016 08:48
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Not a viking posted:But if the model had lost a wound previously, a new shock hit would cancel NWI, right? The guys I play with read it like this as well and it's the only thing that saved me from Phoenix in one of my first games.
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Corbeau posted:Correct; two wounds, as a stat on the profile, provides complete immunity to shock. It might as well come with the literal skill Shock Immunity. Source on that?
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