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Everblight posted:So how does Maryland(?) function, what with their standardized, state-set prices on all procedures to prevent docs from charging whatever? a) only at hospitals and b) at a higher cost than what Medicare reimburses nationally e: and c) it didn't rein in spending growth
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Trabisnikof posted:Meanwhile Florida Republicans actually want to kill babies: Oh. poo poo. My daughter is being treated there. Well, gently caress. At least its not a cardiac issue. I have got to get out of this lovely state.
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axeil posted:there was recently a study (link: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_drift/2015/12/02/young_doctors_needed_more_sleep_but_the_plan_for_them_to_get_it_might_have.html) that actually showed the opposite effect. cutting down on long hours for residency increases the number of hand-offs of patients from doctor-to-doctor and those transitions are where it's most likely someone makes a mistake as they haven't been with the patient through their whole treatment. This could be mitigated with proper documentation procedures, however many doctors don't believe in those (famously, surgeons still widely reject the pre-procedure "check list", which is exactly what you think it is).
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Jan 15, 2016 18:40
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Trabisnikof posted:Does Maryland just set hospital prices or all healthcare prices? That's a big difference. Obama is HALF black. And according to his own peoples, “he ain’t down wit da struggle” if I remember correctly. The only thing we know is his actions heretofore have CLEARLY benefited Muslims over all other religions and that the number of times we have been treated to this Muslim actually going to a Christian church while in office can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
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Jan 15, 2016 18:41
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bird cooch posted:Thats funny. You are funny. Good job. Not as funny as believing that Lieberman was a democrat.
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Jan 15, 2016 18:43
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Meg From Family Guy posted:Obama is HALF black. And according to his own peoples, “he ain’t down wit da struggle” if I remember correctly. Shut the gently caress up Meg.
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Jan 15, 2016 18:48
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Taerkar posted:Not as funny as believing that Lieberman was a democrat. He was? A vice presidential candidate in fact? 
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Jan 15, 2016 18:51
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Real talk: single payer isn't happening because it would require a twenty-percent pay cut to doctors and in a lobbying battle between Your Doctor and Congress, Congress is going to lose. A lot of doctors wouldn't have this issue if they didn't have to deal with prohibitively high costs of going to med school.
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Jan 15, 2016 18:53
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:A lot of doctors wouldn't have this issue if they didn't have to deal with prohibitively high costs of going to med school. That's one factor, but they're still upper class professionals at the end of the day, i.e. greedy shits.
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Jan 15, 2016 18:56
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zoux posted:Wrap it up Trumpailures. Right to Riesling
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Jan 15, 2016 18:59
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Let's just import summer cheap foreign doctors
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Jan 15, 2016 19:06
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The AMA also holds a monopoly on how many licensed practitioners are available at any given moment. It's not like doctors should like what they are doing when they have to spend 4-5 years before they can get successfully licensed.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:The AMA also holds a monopoly on how many licensed practitioners are available at any given moment. It's not like doctors should like what they are doing when they have to spend 4-5 years before they can get successfully licensed. The number of residencies is the bigger factor here, and thats tied to medicare spending so good luck.
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Jan 15, 2016 19:09
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Rubio's parents were legal immigrants (political refugees, which is what makes his Syria comments rich as gently caress) and he was born in the US, so no. You can be born abroad but to American citizen parents and still qualify as a natural-born citizen.
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Meg From Family Guy posted:Obama is HALF black. And according to his own peoples, “he ain’t down wit da struggle” if I remember correctly. The only thing we know is his actions heretofore have CLEARLY benefited Muslims over all other religions and that the number of times we have been treated to this Muslim actually going to a Christian church while in office can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Seriously though, I can't understand why someone would think I'd make chili without beans. Like, yeah, I'm vegetarian, but they have meat crumbles you can put in it. But beans? C'mon, they're called chili beans. Oh, and shut up, Meg.
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Planned Parenthood suing the CMP: https://istandwithpp.org/index.php?cID=260 quote:The lawsuit charges that CMP, its leaders, and other co-conspirators:
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Jan 15, 2016 19:19
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Can't wait for all the reps to start crying about that.
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Honestly I'm not on their side on these particular issues - I think journalists should have the right to some subterfuge to get at the story they want. If they want to sue over the defamation, they've got my sword, but I don't see this one going well.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:You can be born abroad but to American citizen parents and still qualify as a natural-born citizen. The counter-argument is that no, you have to be born in America, and merely being a citizen-at-the-time-of-birth is not enough
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Jan 15, 2016 19:26
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Noam Chomsky posted:Exactly. It seems like people forget that organizations are composed of individuals and those individuals frequently don't give a gently caress about what happens to the organization - since usually organizations don't give a gently caress about you either - and will do as they please and make every attempt to mask their participation in publishable offences, and in the case of Police there are organizations that care very much about them and will defend them to the last. If you want to stop bad behavior then you need to punish the individual participants. I can't tell you how to accomplish it but we shouldn't buy into the story that it is impossible. a) there's not going to be a deterrent effect because everyone of them think they're superior, so only the other guys will get caught and never them. b) you can't convict people faster than they can make business deals so long as we have things like "presumption of innocence" and "appeals" Capitalism owns and is also non-optional. Sorry to break it to you mate.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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pathetic little tramp posted:Honestly I'm not on their side on these particular issues - I think journalists should have the right to some subterfuge to get at the story they want. If they want to sue over the defamation, they've got my sword, but I don't see this one going well. I don't know, breaking a whole slew of laws just to get a story is kind of a big deal. Particularly when they aren't actually investigating a story, but are trying to trump up one. Plus, as the poster below said, they aren't journalists.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Honestly I'm not on their side on these particular issues - I think journalists should have the right to some subterfuge to get at the story they want. If they want to sue over the defamation, they've got my sword, but I don't see this one going well. They're not journalists.
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Joementum posted:Right to Riesling This joke is triggering me.
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Talmonis posted:They're not journalists. Uncle Sam doesn't need to be deciding this. If you can nail them on fake IDs or breaking two-party recording consent laws if applicable that's great. Otherwise tough poo poo.
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Jan 15, 2016 19:35
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Talmonis posted:They're not journalists. That's a fair point. I would argue they were journalists up until they started reporting falsehoods and we have to do what we can to protect the ability of someone to gather evidence. Smack them down for reporting lies, not for how they got information.
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Hey it's not like anyone died over the videos. Uh
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pathetic little tramp posted:Honestly I'm not on their side on these particular issues - I think journalists should have the right to some subterfuge to get at the story they want. If they want to sue over the defamation, they've got my sword, but I don't see this one going well. They're not journalists.
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RevKrule posted:Trump's got some children to spit hot fire for his new campaign track.  It's literally the "Yankee Doodle" skit from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia come to life....Where's my whiskey? 
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Jan 15, 2016 19:44
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Even if they were journalists, that would not make wiretapping and mail fraud suddenly OK. "We are going to publicize our findings" is not a get out of jail free card.
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pathetic little tramp posted:That's a fair point. I would argue they were journalists up until they started reporting falsehoods and we have to do what we can to protect the ability of someone to gather evidence. Smack them down for reporting lies, not for how they got information. Any court will consider PP/abortion to be an issue of public interest. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get a libel ruling on speech relating to a public figure or group? I mean if you have a tape of the activists who released these videos literally talking about how they're going to intentionally lie and they know it's all a lie and in no way sincerely believe any of it, send that poo poo in already dude.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Honestly I'm not on their side on these particular issues - I think journalists should have the right to some subterfuge to get at the story they want. If they want to sue over the defamation, they've got my sword, but I don't see this one going well. Breaking laws in order to manufacture that story is where the problem is. They're also not journalists as others have mentioned, so this makes it worse beyond simply not working for the AP or whatever.
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Serious question: does the "falsely shouting 'fire!' in a crowded theater" standard for protected speech not apply here? i.e. is falsely shouting "baby-murder-for-profit" not an actual crime when it's tied to at least one mass shooting?
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DeusExMachinima posted:a) there's not going to be a deterrent effect because everyone of them think they're superior, so only the other guys will get caught and never them. Which is pretty much what it's like now and exactly what I'm saying. And to your second point, no poo poo, but it is possible to find a way to make people think more carefully about what kind of deals they will make. Your flippant post isn't really breaking anything to me. Capitalism isn't going anywhere since it's far more appealing than other systems for most. You have to have an education and knowledge to appreciate Socialism; Capitalism appeals to our base natures so it wins by default in the world as it is - it's self-sustaining since it's in the system's own interest to keep people atomized and ignorant.
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FilthIncarnate posted:Serious question: does the "falsely shouting 'fire!' in a crowded theater" standard for protected speech not apply here? "Fire" is not an accusation against a group of people designed to destroy them.
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pathetic little tramp posted:That's a fair point. I would argue they were journalists up until they started reporting falsehoods and we have to do what we can to protect the ability of someone to gather evidence. Smack them down for reporting lies, not for how they got information. Breaking an NDA or using a bit of social engineering to get yourself an interview is one thing, but perjuring yourself in your state and federal filings so that you can back false credentials should probably not be OK. Likewise for violating the federal wire tap statute, that would mean they were recording communications to which they weren't a party. And as far as the NDA, well, whether or not you're morally in the right, probably time to take your lumps if you sign one to get confidential info that you're going to publish.
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DeusExMachinima posted:a) there's not going to be a deterrent effect because everyone of them think they're superior, so only the other guys will get caught and never them. It is an industry made up of "The smartest guy in the room"
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FilthIncarnate posted:Serious question: does the "falsely shouting 'fire!' in a crowded theater" standard for protected speech not apply here? No. Stop "just asking questions" about 1A protections just because they apply to the other team.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Any court will consider PP/abortion to be an issue of public interest. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get a libel ruling on speech relating to a public figure or group? I mean if you have a tape of the activists who released these videos literally talking about how they're going to intentionally lie and they know it's all a lie and in no way sincerely believe any of it, send that poo poo in already dude. That's also true as hell - that's honestly why I thought they hadn't filed a suit yet. I imagine this lawsuit is the result of major consultations with lawyers and this is the only path to restitution that they can see. I just don't see them getting a judgment here beyond maaaaybe a slap on the wrist.
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I didn't see it on PP's website, so via some pro-life outfit, here's the text of the complaint: http://lldf.org/wp-content/uploads/PPvsCMP14Jan2016.pdf Flipping through it, yeah, this stuff should absolutely be actionable whether or not they're journalists. pathetic little tramp posted:I just don't see them getting a judgment here beyond maaaaybe a slap on the wrist. They didn't exactly get an unsympathetic forum for their jury pool.
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