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Main Paineframe posted:Typically it doesn't go well for agencies that engage in extrajudicial killings of protesters engaging in civil disobedience. Failing to cooperate with an arrest isn't a death penalty crime. The fact that these guys asked for support and received a bunch of dildos is going to be in the historical record If you don't see the appeal of that I don't know what to tell you
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Main Paineframe posted:Typically it doesn't go well for agencies that engage in extrajudicial killings of protesters engaging in civil disobedience. It's always gone well for agencies who engage in extrajudicial killings of protesters engaging in civil disobedience. Maybe there's a panel, maybe some 'hard questions' are asked, but whoever is sitting in that chair is still getting paid while giving testimony. Since the British left your entire history is just chock full of protesters and the like getting got by police and then... well... nothing.
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Main Paineframe posted:Typically it doesn't go well for agencies that engage in extrajudicial killings of protesters engaging in civil disobedience. Failing to cooperate with an arrest isn't a death penalty crime. Oh gently caress right off with this bullshit.
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Iowa Snow King posted:The fact that these guys asked for support and received a bunch of dildos is going to be in the historical record I'm banking on the acrid smoke from a burning dildo when this goes all WACO causing at least one death.
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Main Paineframe posted:Typically it doesn't go well for agencies that engage in extrajudicial killings of protesters engaging in civil disobedience. Failing to cooperate with an arrest isn't a death penalty crime. I think someone should send them some homemade clocks
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So what was the rationalization for them not arresting the second driver? The guy steals a federal vehicle and they are somehow stymied by the mystical powers of the grocery-store door and become incapable of following up in any way? Granted, many American LEOs are mouth-breathing, gun-obsessed, wingnut losers just like these militia shitstains. It's not all that surprising that they would bend over backwards to put things in the best possible light for these felons whom they broadly sympathize with. Stuff like this is just straight-up dereliction of duty, though.
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marshalljim posted:So what was the rationalization for them not arresting the second driver? The guy steals a federal vehicle and they are somehow stymied by the mystical powers of the grocery-store door and become incapable of following up in any way? No officer saw him driving the vehicle. The DA isn't going to take a case where the defense just has to invent a driver and say their client walked to the store.
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Grem posted:No officer saw him driving the vehicle. The DA isn't going to take a case where the defense just has to invent a driver and say their client walked to the store. If the case is so weak that the defense can get away with that, it's because the officers threw up their hands and said "Whoa, a grocery store? Nothing we can do about that." They didn't even try to question the guy, despite having a pretty drat good idea he stole this federal vehicle. He's getting away scot-free with a felony because they made absolutely no effort to investigate.
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marshalljim posted:If the case is so weak that the defense can get away with that, it's because the officers threw up their hands and said "Whoa, a grocery store? Nothing we can do about that." No, if there's no evidence (camera or eye witness testimony) there's a big gob of reasonable doubt the guy drove the van. Our entire court system is based off of reasonable doubt, and while it's obvious that it's likely he did indeed drive the van there's too many ways to set up the situation where he didn't. Mainly: someone else could have driven the van, there could have easily been a third or fourth party to this group. So you could potentially get him for being an accessory to theft of a federal vehicle but not the actual theft charge you want to bring against him. Any miss-step the FBI takes will just make them look like idiots and further embolden Yokel Haram so they're only going to arrest anyone if they do something really dumb that's a hilarious slam-dunk in a trial. Such as: idling in a parking lot in a Federal vehicle that you're not supposed to have access to. Besides, the FBI already got the big, juicy target they really wanted. As mentioned, the chucklefuck they caught idling in the park truck was already on probation for building some booby-trapped cabin on Federal lands already. His probation terms were simply "don't squat on Federal lands you dumb poo poo", which is exactly what he's been doing. This is an air-tight case and the FBI can have the journalists laugh at his past criminal stupidity to help discredit him and, by proxy, the entire movement.
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Oh word? What was he wearing? What did he look like? A white guy in flannel huh? Welp time to flip this Oregonian super market upside down until we find such a uniquely described individual. The articles I've read don't have any details about how the incident was reported or if there are witnesses that could identify him. If they went in to the supermarket who would they question? I should use quotes, obviously in response to the guy two above me.
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To clarify the situation re: the meeting a bit: The meeting was set up between the local "committee of safety", a small, separate(as far as I can tell, I did spend some time looking into it) homegrown crazy sovcit organization founded by local residents last december, apparently in relation to the Hammond case. The county government and court system refused to let them use any of the public venues they wanted, primarily on legally defensible "you're actively breaking the law and also there's a serious safety risk" grounds. One of the members of the safety council is Chris Briels, the former fire marshal who "sided with" the militia a couple days ago. My read on this is that the local "committee" (which I can't emphasize enough is wholly illegitimate) was probably involved in setting up the initial, nonviolent protest and is far into the right fringe, but not as far as the actual militias. They probably didn't know about the occupation plans, but are more on board than other locals. The committee members (all 6 of 'em) are now probably not very popular in town, but are largely affiliated with the militant occupiers now. This sort of problem- local support structures- is another strong reason for law enforcement to tread very lightly. Link to the "committee"'s homepage is here. It's actually interesting to take a root around and see how these folks view the world. Grem posted:Oh word? What was he wearing? What did he look like? A white guy in flannel huh? Welp time to flip this Oregonian super market upside down until we find such a uniquely described individual. Grem, the most likely explanation is that the trucks were either under surveillance or reported by a local, and the officers saw a chance to swoop in and get one of these people on charges that were independent of the current occupation. The big factor in safety is that militant Sovcits are unpredictable and can suddenly open fire when you try to arrest them. One of them, alone, outdoors, is much easier to stop and arrest than one under any other circumstances. The other legal advantages to arresting this particular occupant would also play a role.
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Alkydere posted:No, if there's no evidence (camera or eye witness testimony) there's a big gob of reasonable doubt the guy drove the van. Our entire court system is based off of reasonable doubt, and while it's obvious that it's likely he did indeed drive the van there's too many ways to set up the situation where he didn't. This is so clueless it's painful to read. "Reasonable doubt" is a standard that applies at (criminal) trial. If the existence of any kind of "reasonable doubt" meant that law enforcement officers had to give up on trying to figure out what happened in a particular case, almost no one would ever be convicted of anything. The point of investigating is to reveal more information. Information which might clarify things... Or, uh, do away with doubts. Grem posted:If they went in to the supermarket who would they question? Anyone. Literally loving anyone. Which they did not do. Do you guys honestly believe that it's standard practice to come across a stolen vehicle with the engine still hot, and to tow the thing off and consider the matter resolved? Without so much as walking into the adjacent podunk supermarket with its two cashiers and four customers to ask around? No, of course you don't. Like the officers who allowed this to happen, you're contorting yourselves into whatever kind of ridiculous positions it takes to let these pieces of poo poo get away with as many serious crimes as possible.
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Pete Santilli posted:The county and community was told to gently caress off and by the FBI and reptilian government goons wouldn't let them use the area they wanted to, if I recall correctly.
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The gag about the lube is sitting on the front page of reddit right now and elsewhere, so I wouldn't expect it to come as a surprise to anyone. It'll arrive in a week and they'll have plenty of time to think of a response, such as asking the delivery person to set it over there and then ignoring it.
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Iowa Snow King posted:The fact that these guys asked for support and received a bunch of dildos is going to be in the historical record If I were them, I would be turning all that stuff around on ebay and running a thriving sextoy business. All those double dildos could actually be funding the occupation.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Gee that's weird, I recall a lot of protests this summer where people didn't cooperate, police showed up in force and started physical confrontations and none of them turned into massive shootouts. Still waiting on an explanation here main painframe. Please explain either why Malheur qualifies as a peaceful protest or explain why the ferguson peaceful protest was confronted with all of your pre-requisites for a 2 way massacre and yet resulted in no deaths. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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Soylent Yellow posted:If I were them, I would be turning all that stuff around on ebay and running a thriving sextoy business. All those double dildos could actually be funding the occupation. It's all about branding. 
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Fix posted:It's all about branding. wanna sell a gadsen snake tongue clit tickler
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Jippa posted:What sort of name is cliven? Do his friends call him clive? Obviously his friends refer to him as C-Live
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I did not see this posted in the last 20 or so pages http://thelapine.ca/79-year-old-bird-watcher-takes-down-oregon-militant-with-old-high-school-wrestling-move/ Agent Mulder posted:We’re hoping this is an isolated incident and we’re asking the elderly not to knock any more militants on their rear end
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marshalljim posted:This is so clueless it's painful to read. "Reasonable doubt" is a standard that applies at (criminal) trial. If the existence of any kind of "reasonable doubt" meant that law enforcement officers had to give up on trying to figure out what happened in a particular case, almost no one would ever be convicted of anything. The point of investigating is to reveal more information. Information which might clarify things... Or, uh, do away with doubts. I want them to burn WACO style as much as the next guy, but neither you nor I know exactly what the police did or did not do beyond what is in the article.
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twistedmentat posted:I did not see this posted in the last 20 or so pages This is great. The militia just repeatedly failing and loving up everything they do is entertaining, even if it's frustrating that they're allowed to keep doing all these criminal things, loving up the land, and menacing the population of Burns. TapTheForwardAssist posted:The Lapine is a takeoff of The Onion made by and for Canadians. Ah, that's disappointing. Oh well. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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twistedmentat posted:I did not see this posted in the last 20 or so pages The Lapine is a takeoff of The Onion made by and for Canadians.
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kartikeya posted:https://twitter.com/Patztense/status/688177155402928128 Ugh. At my last job we where doing surveys on penguins (little or "fairy' penguins, to be precise) and we spent a fortune on cameras to watch nesting boxes and keep an eye on their behavior off penguin isle in WA. Even a days lost video (due to the myriad things that can go wrong with internet over adsl over microwave or however the heck that link worked) would really gently caress things up with research. There would be biologists wanting to go and waco these fuckers themselves, over that. edit: To clarify By "WA" I mean west australia, not washington. Pretty sure there aint no fairy penguings in washington duck monster fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/01/10/will-mind-control-technology-be-applied-to-the-oregon-patriots-confidential-source-says-yes/ "Will Mind Control Technology Be Applied to the Oregon Patriots? Confidential Source Says Yes" 
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duck monster posted:http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/... How did people survive when all we had was common sense?
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kartikeya posted:https://twitter.com/Patztense/status/688177155402928128 So these assholes are angry about cameras. Do they not consider the possibility that cameras might have existed to, say, observer wildlife in the wildlife sanctuary they've taken over for their temper tantrum?! The more I hear about these fools, the more I completely despise them. They are the worst sort of spoils children waving around deadly weapons like toys, destroying delicate resources, and demanding everyone pay attention to their nonsense. And what really gets me is that they'll likely get off Scot free and be somewhat legitimized by the media and politicians because they're almost entirely white and ridiculously right wing.
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"hcommitteeofsafety.com posted:In 1774, as the likelihood of war drew near, Committees were formed to assure that civil authority would continue. Worchester, Massachusetts, established a Committee of Safety; declared independence from British rule, discharged the militia, then opened the muster rolls, not allowing anybody with Tory sympathies to enroll, and commissioned officers; and, established courts to deal with criminal matters. They did not petition, they acted. The time for petitioning (redress of grievances) was over. They did not support candidates for the British government; they made their own government. Couldn't be bothered to spell Worcester properly, nice They probably pronounce it like that too, not the proper "wuss-ter"
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:The Lapine is a takeoff of The Onion made by and for Canadians. i was happier not knowing this
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kartikeya posted:https://twitter.com/Patztense/status/688177155402928128 This makes me legitimately angry, as equipment like that does not come cheap and if it's damaged in any way the researchers are going to need to apply for another grant to replace them, which is a huge waste of their time. gently caress these assholes.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Still waiting on an explanation here main painframe. ...because those protesters weren't armed, is this a trick question?
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kartikeya posted:What exasperates me, although I get that they probably had good reason (dude inside is probably armed, don't want to start a shootout in the parking lot) is that it sounds like they didn't even wait around to arrest the second guy in the other vehicle. I hope they towed the vehicle though. Let that guy have a nice hike back to the refuge with his goodies. People have said itt like 100000 times that they cant shut the power off cause it will also turn the power off for innocent locals. So they'd have to go on or close to the refuge and physically cut the wire. If you cant figure out why they wont do that, you're actually dumb. Also, they apparently have generators and stolen fuel for them. So itd be pointless.
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theflyingorc posted:...because those protesters weren't armed, is this a trick question? It's not a trick question when the person I'm asking sees no true differences between the two according to his standards for peaceful protests. I don't see a logical way that pans out, but he's made good points before this one Leomarr-ish detour so I'd like to know. The better answer imo is because its not a peaceful protest when you brandish guns and make threats. I'm asking how someone who called Malheur and other hypothetical armed situations "peaceful protests" threads that needle. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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A Saucy Bratwurst posted:People have said itt like 100000 times that they cant shut the power off cause it will also turn the power off for innocent locals. So they'd have to go on or close to the refuge and physically cut the wire. If you cant figure out why they wont do that, you're actually dumb. The first is correct The second is not imo. These guys forgot to bring food to their years long occupation, are dumb ebough to drive BLM vehicles into town, and have recorded themselves breaking all sorts of laws. Forcing them to run a generator is exactly the sort of nonconfrontational small step I'd consider if my goal was to wear them down in a completely policeless situation. Again, that's my opinion.
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