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evilweasel posted:#3 who the gently caress is ppn I'd bet money that one of those "p"s is Patriot.
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SquadronROE posted:I get their reasoning, I just don't see why law enforcement doesn't check them into a mental institution involuntarily since they are a threat. Speaking as a formerly homeless person with a formal diagnosis of schizophrenia it is rather hard to get committed actually. (You have to get a state recognized medical experts to sign an affidavit that you are a clear and present danger to yourself or others). Even when you do get involuntarily committed you can appeal your confinement and make them justify keeping you in front of a judge once every 24 hours.(Up to a certain point IIRC, there are provisions for long term involuntary confinement, but those involve a surprising amount of due process and hearings before a judge. It's not something that is done casually.) For the record I was never involuntarily committed, but I did once commit myself voluntarily and I was kind of surprised at hown much effort was invested into explaining to me exactly what my rights were and exactly what they would be if they decided to keep me involuntarily. It's a fairly involved process altogether.
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evilweasel posted:#3 who the gently caress is ppn Pacific Patriots Network, a loose alliance of oath keepers and III%ers. What I'd like to know is why they use roman numerals for the "III%" thing.
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As a Millennial I posted:Pacific Patriots Network, a loose alliance of oath keepers and III%ers. Romans were cool manly men. Yeah.
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Roman Reigns posted:Look he name dropped MLK and Ms. Parks what more do you want Also proves he's totally not racist. Even though he's racist
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SquadronROE posted:What I don't get about the Sovereign Citizens and such, is why we aren't just treating them as if they're mentally ill. I mean, they are incredibly delusional - to the point where they can't understand the real world anymore and are a danger to themselves and others since they don't think laws matter. Like that guy in the "Sovereign Citizens getting owned" video who just drove off from the cop during the traffic stop. What if he had been drunk or something? It's hard to argue that these people aren't just loving idiots trying to pro se their way out of consequences they know are the result of their actions. The fact that they don't know it doesn't work isn't any different from someone thinking they can get away with perjury when it comes to self-awareness. Insanity is poo poo like thinking your murders are sanctioned by a "non-white" religious figure e.g. a dead Egyptian god, or believing your victims are actual demons. Thinking you know secret constitutional magic is not an excuse and neither is the desperation or ignorance that line the path to sovcittery.
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He just tosses "being arrested in a remote canyon" in as if that wasn't a huge plus for everyone involved. Or at least everyone involved who didn't have a deathwish.
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As a Millennial I posted:Pacific Patriots Network, a loose alliance of oath keepers and III%ers. What, you want them to use the Muslim numbers?
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Jan 28, 2016 20:04
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Levitate posted:I like the assertion that they could have arrested the Bundy's and company peacefully at any time with no issues at all, conveniently ignoring the whole armed takeover and threatening statements made to the media and all that poo poo It's also nice how he ignores that the arrests were peaceful until Tarpman decided to try and escape.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:He just tosses "being arrested in a remote canyon" in as if that wasn't a huge plus for everyone involved. Or at least everyone involved who didn't have a deathwish. Those drat sneaky feds, like vipers laying an insidious trap. The bastards.
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Main Paineframe posted:Anyone who leaves now is proving for all the world to see that they're scared of the cops and would rather voluntarily give themselves over to the mercy of the FBI and go home in shame after being allowed by the cops to pass, rather than go out in the blaze of glory "defending" the occupation from the police like they claimed. And if they're not willing to fight to the death against the cops now, when they're all pumped up and in front of their militia friends and being livestreamed out for the world to see, then it's a fair bet they'll go quietly when the FBI shows up at their front door in a few weeks. Also, the FBI is very anxious to make sure they always have an escape route so their fear works to drive them out; if they feel like there's no safe escape and their back is against the wall, fear would drive them toward violence instead, which would be bad. That's what we were seeing in the fat guy yesterday where he was spouting off about the feds just coming in to kill them all. He was not acknowledging that the feds were actually saying; "please leave rear end in a top hat" but requiring that he show ID on the way out. Also something about guns, were they disarming people as they left? I don't actually know that.... He seemed to be thinking that not only were Seals(tm) coming to save the final holdouts but that if they DID drive out that they would simply be machine-gunned. Most importantly though; where's that king rear end in a top hat Blaine Cooper right now? I could see him taking out his whole family in suicide by cop wherever he is.
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Mr Interweb posted:Oh really now? The FBI aren't people and use Shield's helicarrier to attack our freedums.
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RuanGacho posted:The FBI aren't people and use Shield's helicarrier to attack our freedums. Tony Stark did nothing wrong.
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meristem posted:You know, this actually being true would make for a pretty fun premise for a fantasy story. Posting from a few pages back, I hope I'm not beaten... Try Max Gladstone's Craft Sequence novels. Lawyers basically use contracts and demons to control the gods of the world, to make the cities run, etc. http://www.amazon.com/Three-Parts-Dead-Craft-Sequence-ebook/dp/B0085UEQDO/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 Pretty great writing, pretty compelling world, enjoy!
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ChlamydiaJones posted:That's what we were seeing in the fat guy yesterday where he was spouting off about the feds just coming in to kill them all. He was not acknowledging that the feds were actually saying; "please leave rear end in a top hat" but requiring that he show ID on the way out. Also something about guns, were they disarming people as they left? I don't actually know that.... He seemed to be thinking that not only were Seals(tm) coming to save the final holdouts but that if they DID drive out that they would simply be machine-gunned. An "undisclosed location." Seriously.
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Jan 28, 2016 20:10
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As a Millennial I posted:Pacific Patriots Network, a loose alliance of oath keepers and III%ers. That answers the other thing is been wondering too, why one hundred and eleven percent was a group name. Thanks!
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Jan 28, 2016 20:13
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MariusLecter posted:Romans were cool manly men. Yeah. But they wore skirts and sandals. meristem posted:What, you want them to use the Muslim numbers? 
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Jan 28, 2016 20:14
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evilweasel posted:The best sovereign citizen word magic is their belief that birth certificates are actually berth certificates which is what is making you subject to admiralty court. If you've read that Albertan judge's Reasons in Meads vs Meads, he meations more examples. I think he mentions the judge temporarily leaving the courtroom, prompting a sovereign citizen to exclaim "man overboard!"
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Jan 28, 2016 20:15
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evilweasel posted:That answers the other thing is been wondering too, why one hundred and eleven percent was a group name. Thanks! Supposedly only 3% of the American colonists took up arms in the revolution. That's what the name's referring to.
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As a Millennial I posted:Supposedly only 3% of the American colonists took up arms in the revolution. That's what the name's referring to. Oh so that's where their name comes from.
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I've got to be on so many watchlists by now. Rather than linking it, I'll just post:quote:During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King’s tyranny never amounted to more than III% of the colonists. Three percenters today, for the most part, identify with this 3% because they were true patriots fighting for the freedoms the nation we love and honor was founded on. Three percenters intend to maintain their God-given natural rights to liberty and property. History itself, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities. Never underestimate the power of a small group of committed citizens to change the world. Indeed, it has never been done otherwise.
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Mr Interweb posted:Oh so that's where their name comes from. Also Roman numerals look way more badass on a tattoo.
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It's a good thing they only need 9.9 million Americans to take up arms to start the new American Revolution.
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We. Are. The. 96 or 97 percent depending whether or not you include the other 1%.
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As a Millennial I posted:I've got to be on so many watchlists by now. Rather than linking it, I'll just post: "We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances." Unless they're black, in which case the oathkeepers will rush to help the police enact martial law.
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SquadronROE posted:Also Roman numerals look way more badass on a tattoo. Isn't the % sign just a jumbled 100, though? Because that's what I was taught in school and it's the combination that's weirding me out. The per-mille sign has one more 0, too.
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Evil Fluffy posted:"We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances." If you're talking about Ferguson, I thought the OK went there specifically to square off with the police, not the locals. Do I rememeber wrongly?
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Evil Fluffy posted:"We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances." These are the pledges for the III%ers, not the Oath Keepers. Also: do the Oath Keepers have a history of racist activities, or are you just beating a dead horse? I'm honestly curious, I'd never heard of them until all this.
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Keep in mind that the "militia interpol," whatever the hell that is, has also put out one of those "red notices" for the governor of Michigan, and the local militia is apparently teaming up with Michael Moore to "defend" Flint.
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:If you're talking about Ferguson, I thought the OK went there specifically to square off with the police, not the locals. Do I rememeber wrongly? IIRC they did show up on the side of the protesters which lead to a huge schism happening... because of course racism.
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I'm looking forward to the inevitable maelstrom of violence
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I look forward to them being blueballed once more and still alove and arrested for life. Somethibg to shock the rest into realizing that not only can the fed take them down whenever they feel like it, but they also are denied martyrdom and face jail.
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Yeah a group of oathkeepers showed up in Ferguson and were like "hey the police appear to be doing these things we agreed were bad to do to people let's do something about it!" and the rest were all "umm, thats only for if the police to it to dumb greedy hicks, we just can't write it out explicitly any more you dumb fucks"
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:If you're talking about Ferguson, I thought the OK went there specifically to square off with the police, not the locals. Do I rememeber wrongly? http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-oath-keeper-who-wants-to-arm-black-lives-matter-20160103?page=2 quote:Rather than wait for approval from the group, Andrews went public. On August 19th, he gave an interview to a reporter from Newsweek in which he expanded on the moral rationale behind the march, sounding — for a white guy from the suburbs of St. Louis — not unlike a fist-raising black nationalist.
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Mr Interweb posted:Oh so that's where their name comes from. Here in reality, however, it was about a third of the colonists. Another third were loyalists, and the other third were neutral. They also ignore the influence of international military and material support, namely the French navy. Maybe 3% were actual uniformed soldiers shooting at the British with muskets, but they still required a lot of popular support. Even today, the rule of thumb is that for every actual grunt on the ground, there's 10 non-grunts supporting them: pay officers, cooks, armorers, supply, mechanics, etc. The army even has a corps of laundry technicians whose entire job is to deploy industrial laundry services in war zones. So to say that only 3% took up arms is disingenuous at best.
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quote:We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps. This one is oddly... specific?
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Gonna be funny when PPN grabs their guns and goes to stop the FBI, and gets charged with the exact same conspiracy the Bundys got popped for. j/k they're probably just loudmouthed pussies.
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I think DefendYourBase is the smartest guy out there. I'd love to see what his google adsense account looks like. I predict after this ends without any more violence he will start a youtube militia/politics show and become a youtube star. He's had a steady audience this whole time, even when we're just looking at the sky for an hour.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:I think DefendYourBase is the smartest guy out there. I'd love to see what his google adsense account looks like. I predict after this ends without any more violence he will start a youtube militia/politics show and become a youtube star. He's had a steady audience this whole time, even when we're just looking at the sky for an hour. No, he's a loving idiot that can't even manage a 1 KDR on an FPS game.
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red19fire posted:
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