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MariusLecter posted:Sean "porkins" single handedly crippled the movement by yelling into the camera and stuff. These people make me feel uncomfortable and also like I'll be put on a watch list if I watch that channel
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Stultus Maximus posted:Freedom, Liberty, Justice, and White America were also killed that day. I think you'll find that those were killed on January 21 2009.
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Jan 29, 2016 19:57
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Shbobdb posted:Non-compliance means death or bodily injury! Remember: cops are your friends. Armed and dangerous man, who repeatedly says he's willing to kill police trying to arrest him and they'll never take him alive, who attacks them with his vehicle, then after a lengthy chase getting out and refusing to comply, and then reaching into his coat for his gun, is practically the definition of a good shoot. theflyingorc posted:Tarp man!
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Kazak_Hstan posted:"Yes I have actually used my own money to bail patriots out of jail. No I have not been paid back." So does that mean she doesn't understand how bail works or she's complicit in aiding fleeing criminals? 
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The dude is saying the PPN call to action is a good thing and people should do it, the lady, "barb oathkeeper" is arguing it was premature because the lamestream media is focusing on the fat guy who told everyone to shoot the FBI. Now they're popping off with "it's not washington d.c. so they can't own it" nonsense.
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Rick_Hunter posted:So does that mean she doesn't understand how bail works or she's complicit in aiding fleeing criminals? Unless what she actually did was pay for the bail bondsman to actually make the bail. That's not refundable.
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Jan 29, 2016 20:02
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Kazak_Hstan posted:The dude is saying the PPN call to action is a good thing and people should do it, the lady, "barb oathkeeper" is arguing it was premature because the lamestream media is focusing on the fat guy who told everyone to shoot the FBI. Now at "The government pushed them to violence!"
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Nah. I fundamentally believe that cops should be able to shoot unless they have been fired upon. Even then, I'd prefer non lethal methods be at least attempted. They signed up for the job and knew the risks. The life of a citizen, even a deeply disturbed one, always trumps that of LEOs on duty.
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Shbobdb posted:The life of a citizen, even a deeply disturbed one, always trumps that of LEOs on duty. This is loving stupid. I'm no fan of the cops, but their lives matter just as much as anyone elses. Someone who is determined to hurt other people (including the cops) is removed with the most efficient use of force available.
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Jan 29, 2016 20:10
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Shbobdb posted:Nah. I fundamentally believe that cops should be able to shoot unless they have been fired upon. Even then, I'd prefer non lethal methods be at least attempted. I'm pretty sure the tarped gunman also knew the risks, at the moment he tried to pull out his weapon to make good on his repeated threats to shoot police officers.
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Jan 29, 2016 20:14
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Shbobdb posted:Nah. I fundamentally believe that cops should be able to shoot unless they have been fired upon. Even then, I'd prefer non lethal methods be at least attempted. I'd normally agree with you considering how distrustful of the cops I'm as well but in this case knowing what we do about the guy I'm willing to go with that this actually was a "good shot" since this wasn't a case of cops executing a black guy for being darker and therefore scarier than them but of a known domestic terrorist who was armed complying (which us shouldn't be grounds for death) but also attempting to pull his gun to go out in a blaze of glory.
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Talmonis posted:This is loving stupid. I'm no fan of the cops, but their lives matter just as much as anyone elses. Someone who is determined to hurt other people (including the cops) is removed with the most efficient use of force available.
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Shbobdb posted:Nah. I fundamentally believe that cops should be able to shoot unless they have been fired upon. Even then, I'd prefer non lethal methods be at least attempted. My job description is 13 pages long, let me go skim through and find the part where getting shot is part of my job. I'll get back to you when I get to that part.
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Hmm a deeply disturbed person literally posting that deeply disturbed people are more valuable than cops. Lol.
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The moment I entered this stream, I heard someone saying something about Rules of Engagement, where some guy said "there's no roadblock in Iraq that would not have opened fire on a vehicle that came straight at them", and this was followed by an argument about that seemingly shouldn't have applied here.
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Jan 29, 2016 20:24
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Takoluka posted:The moment I entered this stream, I heard someone saying something about Rules of Engagement, where some guy said "there's no roadblock in Iraq that would not have opened fire on a vehicle that came straight at them", and this was followed by an argument about that seemingly shouldn't have applied here. Well duh... Iraqis aren't white christians.
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Jan 29, 2016 20:26
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Shbobdb posted:Nah. I fundamentally believe that cops should be able to shoot unless they have been fired upon. Even then, I'd prefer non lethal methods be at least attempted. It's a fine line to walk - what you're suggesting is a LOT more LEO death for equal or worse protection compared to now. You can make the argument comparing to countries with LEOs without guns, but those countries don't have the same gun ownership that we do. Are officers prone to fire more in certain situations? Yes, and they need to be trained to try to use deescalation whenever possible, but in situations where the guy has gone on record as saying he will not be taken alive and is a known wacko with high powered guns? No.
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Jan 29, 2016 20:27
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Takoluka posted:Seems I have a lot to learn. The caller was talking big about how he isn't just sitting at his keyboard he's got EMT training, he does logistics for this and that and  Right now "Barb" is telling him to shut his mouth, hard, by telling him the facts about how Tarpman went down.
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Shbobdb posted:Nah. I fundamentally believe that cops should be able to shoot unless they have been fired upon. Even then, I'd prefer non lethal methods be at least attempted. I'm pretty ok with cops being able to fire when a guy who's repeatedly said he'd kill police and never be taken alive just tried to run your blockade and is going for something in his pocket while you keep telling him to stop. Like if Eric Garner had dropped his loosies, screamed "DIE YOU loving PIGS," and pulled out a gun there wouldn't have been many (if any) people protesting his death at the hands of the police. Now stop being a whiny poo poo and go make your ban thread. e: If LEOs gave everyone as much leeway as Tarpman got that'd be pretty nice actually. Then maybe they wouldn't do things like drive to a park and immediately hop out of their car to shoot a 12 year old kid.
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Tarpman should have been allowed to kill 3 law enforcement officers with his amazing quick draw skills and then hang a female federal employee as per his published murder fantasies. Otherwise this is worse than a million Wacos. Seriously though, the nut cases are desperate to re-contextual Finicum's death to fit their narrative. That's not an old man dying in the snow to them, that's their fantasies. That's their pathetic dreams struggling to pull a gun out of their jacket and receiving a fatal dose of reality.
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Shbobdb posted:Nah. I fundamentally believe that cops should be able to shoot unless they have been fired upon. Even then, I'd prefer non lethal methods be at least attempted. Well, you're in luck, because legally if you try to murder people with your vehicle (as he nearly did), your vehicle is considered a deadly weapon. He'd already 'fired' on the cops. They responded in kind. When he came out with his hands up, they tried to take him in peacefully. He was not complying. Then he reached for his gun twice, the second time holding his hand there for a number of seconds before the officer finally fired. They showed the utmost restraint possible and complied to the letter, as far as I can tell, with the regulations for such interactions. I'm among the first to get angry when cops overstep and murder unarmed people and the like, but this is not those cases and trying to conflate them is actually pretty insulting to the people who have died due to trigger happy or brutality-first officers. As for the SovCits getting tased video, lol. No one there was killed or in any significant danger, except, possibly, the cops themselves because SovCits have a history of suddenly turning violent and murdering police officers during things as routine as traffic stops. Most of those videos have the officer(s) being extraordinarily patient, even warning them untold numbers of times that they were going to break the window and force them to comply.
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Not letting people return to their armed insurrection is blackmail. LMBO
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As a Millennial I posted:Oh dear. I'm becoming one of them, aren't I? It looked like a bullet hole to me, and I fully admit I could be wrong. I'm not trying to stir up conspiracies at all; from the available evidence it looks like the shooting of Finicum was justified. If it is a bullet hole I wonder if the Feds had a sniper back up a ways who took the shot when Finicum tried to run the roadblock and almost squished that officer.
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Shbobdb posted:Non-compliance means death or bodily injury! Remember: cops are your friends. Ah, ok. So from now on when a cop asks for your ID you can just say no, roll up your window and leave as long as he doesn't say "I'm warning you" first. Or when you repeatedly tell them you aren't a US citizen after rolling across the boarder in a semi you can just ignore them and continue on your way. The other posters were right, you should honor your toxx already. Or are you all bark and no bite like these sov cit losers
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SyHopeful posted:It looked like a bullet hole to me, and I fully admit I could be wrong. I'm not trying to stir up conspiracies at all; from the available evidence it looks like the shooting of Finicum was justified. If it is a bullet hole I wonder if the Feds had a sniper back up a ways who took the shot when Finicum tried to run the roadblock and almost squished that officer. too me it looked like Finicum was trying to bypass the blockade and he didnt really care if the cop got run down. he seemed to misjudge how deep the snow was so he hosed up. i am also sure the car was taking fire.
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Shbobdb posted:Nah. I fundamentally believe that cops should be able to shoot unless they have been fired upon. Even then, I'd prefer non lethal methods be at least attempted. Go ban yourself toxx man
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Dapper_Swindler posted:too me it looked like Finicum was trying to bypass the blockade and he didnt really care if the cop got run down. he seemed to misjudge how deep the snow was so he hosed up. i am also sure the car was taking fire. The cop clearly dived into the snowbank towards Finicum's truck, but if I were in that situation I'd probably assume he was going to ram the trucks and try to dive for cover too. 3 tons of steel with DODGE and RAM on the front charging at 60mph would cause me to have to make a split second decision too.
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SyHopeful posted:The cop clearly dived into the snowbank towards Finicum's truck, but if I were in that situation I'd probably assume he was going to ram the trucks and try to dive for cover too. 3 tons of steel with DODGE and RAM on the front charging at 60mph would cause me to have to make a split second decision too. Trying to martyr himself to sully the militia movement you mean.
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SyHopeful posted:It looked like a bullet hole to me, and I fully admit I could be wrong. I'm not trying to stir up conspiracies at all; from the available evidence it looks like the shooting of Finicum was justified. If it is a bullet hole I wonder if the Feds had a sniper back up a ways who took the shot when Finicum tried to run the roadblock and almost squished that officer.
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SyHopeful posted:It looked like a bullet hole to me, and I fully admit I could be wrong. I'm not trying to stir up conspiracies at all; from the available evidence it looks like the shooting of Finicum was justified. If it is a bullet hole I wonder if the Feds had a sniper back up a ways who took the shot when Finicum tried to run the roadblock and almost squished that officer. If you're talking about the white spot on the windshield on the drivers side when the truck is stuck in the snowbank, that spot is also visible earlier in the video during the initial stop. It's likely a piece of paper on the dashboard, not a bullet hole in the windshield
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More interesting than what happens to the rest of these people, and more interesting than the sad death of tarpman, is the fallout from this in the militia movement at large. These guys were literally trying to make a last stand and called on other militias to join up, but very few people showed up. All there was, was a lot of Internet grumbling and then the FBI took down most of them without even a fight. I wonder if that's going to cause people to rethink things (unlikely).
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Our brave patriots are exchanging recipes for cooking possum. You can't make this poo poo up.
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hcenvirons posted:Our brave patriots are exchanging recipes for cooking possum. You can't make this poo poo up. You can trade some hard lemonade for cake down in the holler. Good stuff.
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SquadronROE posted:More interesting than what happens to the rest of these people, and more interesting than the sad death of tarpman, is the fallout from this in the militia movement at large. These guys were literally trying to make a last stand and called on other militias to join up, but very few people showed up. All there was, was a lot of Internet grumbling and then the FBI took down most of them without even a fight. simple. trumps running and in first place in the primaries. alot of these dudes like him and believe he can win. so they dont feel the need to martyr themselves... yet.
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SquadronROE posted:More interesting than what happens to the rest of these people, and more interesting than the sad death of tarpman, is the fallout from this in the militia movement at large. These guys were literally trying to make a last stand and called on other militias to join up, but very few people showed up. All there was, was a lot of Internet grumbling and then the FBI took down most of them without even a fight.
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Guy on the stream saying they should have left the guns at home. He didn't go because other guys were arming up like Porky with his M14. He's getting yelled at, of course.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:If they really believed they were starting the second revolution, financial distress with me nothing for that. Yeah, this is pretty much exactly why the no-shows or the people who leave because they're worried about their job were never a real threat. People genuinely expecting to go to fight to the death as heroes don't care about what might happen to their house the day after their glorious martyrdom. Al! posted:This is not me "just asking questions," I'm interested from a procedural standpoint and because someone dumb might try to make this point, but why did they throw the flash bangs after they shot him, not while he was fidgeting? As soon as shots are fired, there's the possibility that anyone not already under FBI control might panic at the sound of gunfire, and pull their guns or otherwise escalate, especially since they were still inside the car and the FBI could not be 100% sure what they were doing. The FBI was well aware of that, and therefore acted to head off any actions by the people in the car and bring the situation under control as quickly as possible as soon as shots were fired. The moment anyone there pulled the trigger, for any reason, playtime was over.
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