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I have no idea what possessed me to read 5,000 posts worth of this thread but welp, here I am.Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Will there ever be a promised-game like this again, that brings so many weirdos into its orbit and gives us a view into the minds of people who never quite got past their tweens? It's not even in the same astronomical unit as Star Citizen, but some years back Ryan Dancey, a guy whose claim to fame is getting hired by game companies for his amazing ideas and then leaving/getting shitcanned when his ideas turn out to be bad, raised some 1.3 million dollars in total to create Pathfinder Online, an MMO based on a tabletop roleplaying game which itself is a serial-numbers-filed-off copy of another tabletop roleplaying game. I bring this up because Pathfinder Online, if you go back and look at all the hype surrounding it before most people more or less stopped caring, is like Star Citizen in microcosm. Dancey ran a million dollar Kickstarter full of stretch goals to give backers promises of exclusive gameplay bonuses and swag which, of course, haven't materialized since there's barely a game to be had by this point...like Star Citizen, it languishes in a sort of "pre-Alpha" state. Some people payed thousands of dollars to own virtual property in this hot new upcoming MMO. And of course not only did Dancey promise all the faithful backers that PFO would be an amazing player-driven sandbox experience without any non-consensual griefing thanks to his staunch anti-goon policies (not exaggerating, Dancey was briefly employed by CCP and has Strong Opinions about goons in games), but those same faithful backers spun whole reams of crazy bullshit "features" that they wanted/expected to be included in this new game. Can I be a stableboy? What about a tavern keeper, I want to serve adventurers drinks when they aren't off actually doing quests and otherwise actually playing the game. You know what would be great, is if when my 20th level wizard casts Time Stop that it literally freezes time for everyone on that server until the spell expires, can you do that? Last September, most of the MMO company's staff was laid off while Ryan Dancey quit two weeks prior for "unrelated personal reasons," having successfully wasted over a million nerd-dollars to accomplish gently caress-all. So to answer your question, I don't think there's ever going to be any shortage of people who get so wrapped up in their unrealistic and dumb ideas of the promised MMO that will be so amazing and immersive that it whisks them out of their mundane lives ala Captain N that they're willing to pitch thousands of dollars at a snake-oil salesman willing to tell them that the next great advance in procedural PVP slider technology is just around the corner and for an extra $250 theirs can have racing stripes on it.
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Kai Tave posted:Dancey ran a million dollar Kickstarter full of stretch goals to give backers promises of exclusive gameplay bonuses and swag which, of course, haven't materialized since there's barely a game to be had by this point...like Star Citizen, it languishes in a sort of "pre-Alpha" state. Some people payed thousands of dollars to own virtual property in this hot new upcoming MMO. And of course not only did Dancey promise all the faithful backers that PFO would be an amazing player-driven sandbox experience without any non-consensual griefing thanks to his staunch anti-goon policies (not exaggerating, Dancey was briefly employed by CCP and has Strong Opinions about goons in games), but those same faithful backers spun whole reams of crazy bullshit "features" that they wanted/expected to be included in this new game. Hey, I remember him. He was Chief Marketing Officer or something during the ambulation/WiS/incarna development period. Funny that… especially considering how it, too, only ever produced a dodgy tech demo without gameplay after having been iterated on five times over and having all the work that went into a very respectable vertical slice be thrown out. I can't really remember anything he said about goons, though, but that's probably because at the time, I didn't really pay attention to what anybody said about them (least of all him).
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A Neurotic Jew posted:lets get back to talking about how Roadbeer is a huge dumbass lmao.
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Madcosby posted:holy poo poo this guy had a bad experience with pvp growing up Allergies that get 4x times worse every second, then spread to your genitals?
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A Neurotic Jew posted:So a dude named Kyle Bromley, an Illfonic employee, posted this a few hours ago: This does look pretty neat. Thank goodness it's already in the game, right?...Right?...
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I skipped like 1800 posts, but that second to last paragraph made me realize what's really going on with some citizens. It's geek social fallacies all the way down. This loving thread. "Geek social fallacies" I loving hate you for bringing that poo poo up, and I hate myself for knowing what you're talking about.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:06
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Tippis posted:Hey, I remember him. He was Chief Marketing Officer or something during the ambulation/WiS/incarna development period. Funny that… especially considering how it, too, only ever produced a dodgy tech demo without gameplay after having been iterated on five times over and having all the work that went into a very respectable vertical slice be thrown out. Ryan Dancey is the person responsible for convincing Wizards of the Coast that making Dungeons & Dragons "open source" would be a great decision that would assuredly lead to them replacing all other RPGs forever with the d20 system. Instead of caused the nerdgame equivalent of a housing bubble crash and led to Paizo being able to wholesale file the serial numbers off of the third edition of D&D and resell it as their own game, becoming D&D's number one competitor. In the Kickstarter for PFO (one of them, because there were two Kickstarters, both successful, one for a "proof of concept" and the other to fund a "tech demo" meant to solicit even further investment) he was billed as the "Steve Jobs of MMO marketing," a title which seems self-applied since I can't actually find any evidence of anyone saying that about him ever. I can't find the direct quotes at the moment but someone asked Dancey about griefing in PFO and what would be done to keep the horrible goonswarms from disrupting everyone's rich and immersive roleplaying experience. His answer was essentially "through community action and self-policing, but also heavy-handed and arbitrary moderation." A little something for everyone really. Here's an SA thread all about PFO for those who want to read more. The consensus is that the ultimate way to grief PFO players is to simply let them play PFO. 
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Feb 1, 2016 07:13
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Bootcha posted:This will be the most direct thing I will have said. 
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A Neurotic Jew posted:So a dude named Kyle Bromley, an Illfonic employee, posted this a few hours ago: Clearly not crobber's dream... Not the right kind of fidelity we're looking for. Maybe move the pipes to a vertical position, and recolor them. Yeah they need to be way different colors, and shapes as well. Also maybe the lighting...yes, it has to be different. I think it would give it a much more civilized look if there were maybe some potted plants and Persian carpets around, yeah? A little bit more lived in, like somebody just had a party in there. Do that, but the contract is up so, we're not paying you and you have to do it for free or we're pulling the plug immediately. Also it has to work with this bootstrapper I wrote when I was 25.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:15
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Madcosby posted:whats the addon you guys use to take screenshots of forum dialog? I'm on firefox... and print-screen doesnt help due to dual monitors I like Greenshot. It even autouploads to a variety of image hosts for you. And I am dualheaded too and it works.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:22
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BeefThief posted:Clearly not crobber's dream... Nah. If anything, there's too many colours. Look at all that red and blue glow; the subtle rust and flaking paint; in short, the lack of a uniform space-future grey. And look at all the stuff cluttered everywhere. What kind of lived-in feel does that give, as if it hasn't been cleaned and polished one an hour on the hour?
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Samizdata posted:I like Greenshot. It even autouploads to a variety of image hosts for you. And I am dualheaded too and it works.  See? And it even uses PNG instead of JPG.
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Tippis posted:Nah. If anything, there's too many colours. Look at all that red and blue glow; the subtle rust and flaking paint; in short, the lack of a uniform space-future grey. And look at all the stuff cluttered everywhere. What kind of lived-in feel does that give, as if it hasn't been cleaned and polished one an hour on the hour? This is probably exactly what croberts said before pulling the plug on his latest $25m mistake.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:28
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A Neurotic Jew posted:So a dude named Kyle Bromley, an Illfonic employee, posted this a few hours ago: So wait is this in the PU? Is this what Roberts was talking about in his comments? Looks pretty good.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:29
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:So wait is this in the PU? Is this what Roberts was talking about in his comments? Looks pretty good. That map has more content in it than the entirety of what "Star Citizen" is now. Amusing.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:32
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fuctifino posted:This ^ Plus she wants all the benefits of fame (adoration, money, etc) and none of the downsides (lack of privacy, critics, having to work to maintain fame).
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Feb 1, 2016 07:33
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:So wait is this in the PU? Is this what Roberts was talking about in his comments? Looks pretty good. It will be there... eventually...
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Feb 1, 2016 07:36
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thanks for the pathfinder online stuff, thats all super super fascinating. i play pathfinder with a regular group of dnd palz and its sordid history is really interesting. as much as we all love DnD we like having one consistent format for roleplaying, and 3.5 was our fave version of it so yeah.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:37
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Goobs posted:I can't stop looking at CR's chins. I'm glad I'm not the only one laughing at how the australian just fades in and out there. I can't believe how excited I am for Star Citizen!
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Feb 1, 2016 07:38
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Hello friends does anybody have a link to the old Star Citizen v1 thread? Also how did you find it? Its not in my post history and google is full of GBS. Yes I have archives.
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The Meat Dimension posted:Hello friends does anybody have a link to the old Star Citizen v1 thread? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3744337 Dis wan?
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Feb 1, 2016 07:40
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Nah back when the kickstarter was a thing. e: but thanks.
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AugmentedVision posted:This loving thread. Hey dude it seems like you're not having as much fun as the rest of us do you want to talk about it?
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So, how are they going to handle reviews and media when this thing "launches"? Assuming they manage to get SQ42 (episode 1, part 1, prelude) out the door before they completely implode...what's their plan? Gaming sites are already getting more and more comfortable sniping at CRI and their endless delays and buggy demos- so what are they going to say when they finally get their hands on a mediocre-to-broken space flight sim with ugly graphics and a terrible story? And are CRI going to try to pay for good reviews, or just burn all the game reviewers as part of the system that just wants them to fail, all pawns of Derek Smart?
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:So, how are they going to handle reviews and media when this thing "launches"? Assuming they manage to get SQ42 (episode 1, part 1, prelude) out the door before they completely implode...what's their plan? Gaming sites are already getting more and more comfortable sniping at CRI and their endless delays and buggy demos- so what are they going to say when they finally get their hands on a mediocre-to-broken space flight sim with ugly graphics and a terrible story? And are CRI going to try to pay for good reviews, or just burn all the game reviewers as part of the system that just wants them to fail, all pawns of Derek Smart?  that you think SQ42 will have a flight sim. It's gonna be all walking and cutscenes.
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:So, how are they going to handle reviews and media when this thing "launches"? Assuming they manage to get SQ42 (episode 1, part 1, prelude) out the door before they completely implode...what's their plan? Gaming sites are already getting more and more comfortable sniping at CRI and their endless delays and buggy demos- so what are they going to say when they finally get their hands on a mediocre-to-broken space flight sim with ugly graphics and a terrible story? And are CRI going to try to pay for good reviews, or just burn all the game reviewers as part of the system that just wants them to fail, all pawns of Derek Smart? The logical choice would be to do both. After all, they're the best-(crowd)funded game ever and has the best businesswoman in the world at the helm of public relations. They have money and media outlets to burn.
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Looking at the OP of the last thread linked a second ago...is there still not even a jpeg for the Javelin? How can anyone possibly justify spending $2500 on any virtual asset, let alone the "idea" of a ship in a game that doesn't exist. Especially now that they've released the baby PU...who's gonna wanna play this poo poo game? Woah.
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alf_pogs posted:thanks for the pathfinder online stuff, thats all super super fascinating. i play pathfinder with a regular group of dnd palz and its sordid history is really interesting. as much as we all love DnD we like having one consistent format for roleplaying, and 3.5 was our fave version of it so yeah. I can't at all fault Paizo for taking advantage of Wizards of the Coast essentially leaving their lunch out there to be eaten, nobody did anything shady or illegal or scammy there, WotC should have had someone to explain to them "this is what might happen if you make your big name RPG open-source" but, well, that person was Ryan Dancey. Pathfinder Online looked scammy as gently caress from the outset though, and the ways it parallels Star Citizen are uncanny, from the whales dropping four figures on a jpeg of a tavern (with LTI no less!) to the sheer incompetence on display (hey players, be aware there's a bug that could cause you to lose the expensive poo poo you prepurchased if you do certain things, we don't know what causes it though) to the endless stream of empty promises designed to make people fantasize about a game that in no way resembled what was actually delivered (basically an empty Everquest-esque protoMMO with no real content). And like clockwork Ryan Dancey is nowhere to be found when things fall apart, no doubt preparing for his next great venture as a professional ideas guy to people too stupid to know not to trust someone who used to read co-workers' private e-mails.
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G0RF posted:Say what, Alt_Pogs? Not to mention the face that you are not allowed, in my opinion, to say "Look at me! LOOK AT ME! Okay, stop looking now. LOOK AT ME!" like she seems to do with every opportunity. You want attention, you get attention. As long as no one is hacking her iCloud or whatever, and the info is publically available, I say "Have at them!"
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spacetoaster posted:Wow, Ben really has put on like 50 pounds. wow..his arms are normal there
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spacetoaster posted:Wow, Ben really has put on like 50 pounds. I don't keep track of this sort of nonsense but I believe that's the first time I've seen him without that pilgrim's cross thing.
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G0RF posted:Say what, Alt_Pogs? sure; i worded what i meant badly and quickly. speculating about sandi being a bitch because chris roberts is abusive to her felt like a stretch into weird territory to me.
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skaboomizzy posted:
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BeefThief posted:Looking at the OP of the last thread linked a second ago...is there still not even a jpeg for the Javelin?  Enough turrets for your wife, children, and nephews to man.
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Goobs posted:I can't stop looking at CR's chins. I listened to all this stuff and she does so many different accents...
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trucutru posted:
Or your willing servants from the Fourth Stimpire.
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A Neurotic Jew posted:So a dude named Kyle Bromley, an Illfonic employee, posted this a few hours ago: Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but if he just recently posted that, doesn't that mean he and/or Illfonic still retain the rights to those assets? Unless there's some weird rider in the NDA, I don't know much about the art side of professional contracts.
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