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TCT
Oct 13, 2012
Sorry to derail but is the enspiral devacadmey any good? I have had a few friends burned by some computer power courses and was wondering if this was the same?

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Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

TCT posted:

Sorry to derail but is the enspiral devacadmey any good? I have had a few friends burned by some computer power courses and was wondering if this was the same?

I used to work on the floor underneath them and they seemed kind of cult-y.

No idea about the quality of the education though.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
Weather much

Ghostlight posted:

For serious,

a) Proportionally and actually less than a CEO's, this is how income tax works, as opposed to the Key-favoured GST where proportionally more of the waitress' taxes "will go" toward student debt. (Tax is not this granular Mr. Key)

b) It is important to enable the next generation access to better opportunities than you yourself had, because otherwise you end up in the exact kind of Social Security crisis we have been refusing to address where the old people are living longer, own more things, and yet still want a stipend from the improverished youth. How much of that waitress' taxes should go to a pensioner who is at the end of their productive life rather than starting it?

(c) he's a freak who pulled a waitress's hair

Taitale
Feb 19, 2011
Wonder if a waitress cares more about her taxes funding kiwi education or a Saudi abattoir/sheep farm.

Robo Captain
Sep 28, 2013
I wonder how many people $24 million would send to uni?

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Robo Captain posted:

I wonder how many people $24 million would send to uni?

One

Max Key

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Ghostlight posted:

For serious,

a) Proportionally and actually less than a CEO's, this is how income tax works, as opposed to the Key-favoured GST where proportionally more of the waitress' taxes "will go" toward student debt. (Tax is not this granular Mr. Key)

b) It is important to enable the next generation access to better opportunities than you yourself had, because otherwise you end up in the exact kind of Social Security crisis we have been refusing to address where the old people are living longer, own more things, and yet still want a stipend from the improverished youth. How much of that waitress' taxes should go to a pensioner who is at the end of their productive life rather than starting it?

Consolidated fund, what up .

Also my main criticism with this is that it's pretty toothless and transparent without the context of a) completely restructuring the way universities are funded or else the Government is just going to end up paying a bunch of people to bill itself for services it's providing, and b) if student debt is such a big loving deal, pair it with an announcement that you'll write off existing student loans - it's not like those are just going to vanish in the twelve years before this kicks in - or is Little just happy for people to deal with these supposedly serious issues until an arbitrary point in time?

Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

Butt Wizard posted:

Consolidated fund, what up .

Also my main criticism with this is that it's pretty toothless and transparent without the context of a) completely restructuring the way universities are funded or else the Government is just going to end up paying a bunch of people to bill itself for services it's providing, and b) if student debt is such a big loving deal, pair it with an announcement that you'll write off existing student loans - it's not like those are just going to vanish in the twelve years before this kicks in - or is Little just happy for people to deal with these supposedly serious issues until an arbitrary point in time?

"Making loans interest free worked for us last time, what else could we do?"

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

mirthdefect posted:

"Making loans interest free worked for us last time, what else could we do?"

Pretty much this - twink the old press release in some places, change the date and boom - another election-winning policy!

...right?

Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012



I hear he's snagged a job on your favourite radio station

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Jaguars! posted:

I hear he's snagged a job on your favourite radio station

He's on Ski FM?

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Radio stations still exist? I thought those ads with Fletch, Vaugn and that snobby, frumpy woman were all paid jokes by the local arts department.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

For real it wouldn't surprise me if Labour chose between some kind of student loan write off or repayment matching and this 3 years free thing.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Jaguars! posted:

I hear he's snagged a job on your favourite radio station

I thought there was a minimum age to get on coast fm?

Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012



Slavvy posted:

I thought there was a minimum age to get on coast fm?

C'mon guys, what station is a perfect match for him? Clue: Duffman-like level of 'party all the time'?
Also in Hamilton it gets interference from some RnB station.




On a different note, could someone who knows government stuff tell me if LINZ returned surplses over the last few years?

Spiteski
Aug 27, 2013



Today is a chance to showcase New Zealand on the world stage. Instead, international media is broadcasting ugly, self-righteous hooliganism.
They picked a bad year to protest. After 30 years of increasing trade, global absolute poverty will fall below 10 per cent for the first time in history. Absolute poverty has dropped two thirds over that period. Not to mention free trade being responsible for the cheap made-in-China clothes on the protesters’ backs.
If they won’t research free trade, they could have at least gone to work like the rest of us. It’s already a short week – is working four days in a row too much for these people? If the TPP was signed on a weekend would they have Monday-ised the protest?
The signing of the TPP is a huge win for New Zealand, and even bigger for developing countries such as Vietnam.
Our exporters have increased access to huge markets. The volume of dairy concessions, for example, is actually greater than those gained in Labour’s NZ-China free trade agreement.
What’s saddest, and indeed pathetic, about the protesters is that they’re actually objecting to very real improvements in the lives of impoverished people from around the globe.
ACT has always been Parliament’s biggest cheerleader of free trade. Even Helen Clark knew she could always count on ACT’s votes for trade initiatives. Today we’re celebrating.


Everything about David Seymour makes me want to punch him in his big dumb face.

He's literally taking the facebook line "why dont they have a job to go to? At least WINZ will be empty"

truther
Oct 22, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT THE BEARS

Spiteski posted:

huge

Yeah that 1% increase in GDP is nothing short of staggering.

Robo Captain
Sep 28, 2013
They are all jobless bums because no-one takes annual leave ever.

Although I suspect is the sort of thing that would happen in David Seymour land.

Taitale
Feb 19, 2011

Jaguars! posted:

On a different note, could someone who knows government stuff tell me if LINZ returned surplses over the last few years?

They haven't.

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2015/estimates/v9/est15-v9-lands.pdf

Page 8, table 1.2

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

I'm not on FB (and I can't find anything on google) but there were a few shots floating around of cops dragging people by their hair and choking some guy today.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Robo Captain posted:

They are all jobless bums because no-one takes annual leave ever.

Although I suspect is the sort of thing that would happen in David Seymour land.

Labour laws in David Seymour land? Surely you jest.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Slavvy posted:

I'm not on FB (and I can't find anything on google) but there were a few shots floating around of cops dragging people by their hair and choking some guy today.

That certainly doesn't sound like something that the police in NZ would do to people who oppose the government!

Taitale
Feb 19, 2011

Slavvy posted:

I'm not on FB (and I can't find anything on google) but there were a few shots floating around of cops dragging people by their hair and choking some guy today.

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/WATCH-Police-use-force-to-remove-TPP-protesters-from-motorway/tabid/504/articleID/112554/Default.aspx

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
Even using motorcycle helmets to hide their faces, it's almost like we're a real authoritarian regime now!

Robo Captain
Sep 28, 2013
https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/694991937175056384

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
Ahahahahahaha oh man I'm done, gently caress this country and everyone in it. Send the nukes Obama.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Playing devil's advocate: blocking the motorway in auckland is an insanely difficult thing and causes huge disruption, how do you clear people off without getting rough? Serious question, what would hypothetically ethical police do in that situation?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Please don't give up, we still have Picnic Day yet to enjoy.

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo

https://twitter.com/jamileeross/status/695117574242041856

tbh I'm more concerned that Jami Lee Ross has never bothered to read the NZ bill of rights

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Slavvy posted:

Playing devil's advocate: blocking the motorway in auckland is an insanely difficult thing and causes huge disruption, how do you clear people off without getting rough? Serious question, what would hypothetically ethical police do in that situation?

Stop traffic and make sure angry drivers don't try and run them over - and try and find a different route. The people blocking the motorway in protest will give up eventually.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
You also do not use someone's hair to remove them from a protest. Ever. They are specifically trained (or not, if that AOS shooting is how the police do everything) to deal with people and restrain and remove them.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Slavvy posted:

Playing devil's advocate: blocking the motorway in auckland is an insanely difficult thing and causes huge disruption, how do you clear people off without getting rough? Serious question, what would hypothetically ethical police do in that situation?

Kettle them until it becomes violent, then arrest the violent protesters for assaulting police officers while trying to leave the kettle, which is literally the only way to get out of the kettle. That's how they do it in Britain!

Seriously, though, the most powerful countermeasure to a protest is to peacefully ignore the gently caress out of them. Let them have their little disruption, let them do their minimal damage to the economy, but for god's sake make sure they look like the bad guys in the long run.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Somfin posted:

Kettle them until it becomes violent, then arrest the violent protesters for assaulting police officers while trying to leave the kettle, which is literally the only way to get out of the kettle. That's how they do it in Britain!

Seriously, though, the most powerful countermeasure to a protest is to peacefully ignore the gently caress out of them. Let them have their little disruption, let them do their minimal damage to the economy, but for god's sake make sure they look like the bad guys in the long run.

Yeah? Well they're anti-trade. Check mate, king me. :c00lbert:

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



that policeman's name?




john key

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Ghostlight posted:

that policeman's name?




john key

:golfclap:

Binkenstein
Jan 18, 2010

While I dislike the TPP, I think sitting in the middle of a motorway is just plain stupid, especially if people were just running into traffic as the reports indicate. Keep the protests into the CBD around Sky City imo

Chalupa Joe
Mar 4, 2007

El Pollo Blanco posted:

https://twitter.com/jamileeross/status/695117574242041856

tbh I'm more concerned that Jami Lee Ross has never bothered to read the NZ bill of rights

Then there's the subtext that you're not a real "everyday NZer" if you disagree.

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
What is the ethical way for protesters to deal with all these cops clogging up the streets?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Vagabundo posted:

Yeah? Well they're anti-trade. Check mate, king me. :c00lbert:

I was, unfortunately, in a car with no band expander so newstalk was the only thing on the menu and I happened to be driving when larry mullins was tirading about how 'one look at these people will tell you they're unemployed and unemployable because what employer would even want to hire them?'.

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Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

swampland posted:

What is the ethical way for protesters to deal with all these cops clogging up the streets?

Those bolt guns they use for cattle.

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