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Discendo Vox posted:Here's the full criminal complaint against Cliven Bundy. RICO would be really incredible. And really, really deserved. edit: Wow, they really do have a lot of charges against him. I'm imagining an FBI conference room with pictures on the wall and pins and strings pointing out the links, like an old school RICO investigation. Who knows how long they were working on this? I hope somebody writes a book. I really want to know how much poo poo was going on behind the scenes while we all assumed the feds were never going to do anything about the Bundy family Mirthless fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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akadajet posted:1-900-MIX-ALOT Kick them nasty thoughts
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Discendo Vox posted:These charges are RICO-applicable. Hell yea, time to dispense some indiscriminate justice!
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theflyingorc posted:The basic thing is that it spreads crimes you commit around, right? Each person becomes more accountable for stuff the organization did as a whole? Roughly speaking, yes. I should be clear- it's extremely unlikely that RICO would come into play, but it's being left on the table with these charges, if I understand its scope properly. If RICO is used, it's a sign the government is going after other people who were funding or organizing the Bundys- they don't need RICO to put the Bundys away for decades at this point.
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Did Frylo marty himself yet? I doubt the FBI has him so either hes dead or still speechifying.
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snorch posted:What the gently caress is the people's beef with football? The NFL is an exceptionally awful organization. Not as bad as FIFA or the IOC, but still one that needs a federal investigation enema. Talmonis posted:That about right? Cliven Bundy's bail is going to be denied right? Absolutely. There's no way to argue that his release on bail would result in anything other than him holing up at his ranch with even more guns. He is a massive flight risk.
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mcclay posted:Did Frylo marty himself yet? I doubt the FBI has him so either hes dead or still speechifying. Fry is alive and well in FBI custody and im out 20 bucks
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mcclay posted:Did Frylo marty himself yet? I doubt the FBI has him so either hes dead or still speechifying. Wrong on all counts.
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Who needs RICO when we have PEDRO
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Bundy is lucky, really. He's getting the legal Rico instead of this one.
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1stGear posted:Wrong on all counts. Wait, so the FBI has him? HAHAHA holy poo poo Thats...Thats good actually. I'm glad he isn't dead. Turns out all his Jesus comparing and rejoindering was for naught.
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quote:At approximately 9:40 am on Thursday, February 11, 2016, the FBI brought three of the remaining Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupiers into custody without incident. At approximately 11:00 am, agents brought the fourth into custody without incident.
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Discendo Vox posted:Here's the full criminal complaint against Cliven Bundy. I guess I'm now a fan of the FBI, when they bring the hammer down they bring it down harder than the Norse Gods.
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1stGear posted:Wrong on all counts. Well he might still be speechifying.
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theflyingorc posted:The basic thing is that it spreads crimes you commit around, right? Each person becomes more accountable for stuff the organization did as a whole?
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How wide a net could they throw with RICO? Could they theoretically go after anyone who donated or provided material support to the standoff?
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Again, just because RICO's available doesn't mean it will be used. If RICO is applied, it will mean the government is targeting people who were funding or supporting the Bundys.
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OAquinas posted:Its basically used for conspiracies and criminal organizations, to take down the bosses who never get their hands directly dirty. Basically the charges that apply to one apply to all. Nasty stuff to be at the business end of it.
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RICO is the fed’s big swinging dick.
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mcclay posted:Wait, so the FBI has him? He gave himself up after much ado about him being a man and making a stand, because that's what a man does. He also threatened suicide more than once, and went on a crazy screed against the government hiding proof of UFOs (Not aliens though. That'd be silly.), and all the technology that they're hiding. That WWII was a scam, Vietnam was a scam, and it's all being run by the Now that it's over, it's kind of sad really. He needs help. Like, a lot of help. Hopefully he'll get it now.
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fade5 posted:Goddamn, we're going full loving RICO against him? No confirmation on RICO yet but I really wouldn't be surprised if they'd been pursuing it from the get-go It certainly would explain why Cliven didn't get arrested in 2014. It's not like they didn't have enough dirt on him back then.
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Gustav posted:Well he might still be speechifying. Hopefully with a pizza in one hand and a warm blanket in the other, on his way to a serious evaluation. And prison, once that all happens. But the man was legit mentally unsound and I really hope he gets his pizza on the way to the rest of his life in the system.
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Soylent Yellow posted:How wide a net could they throw with RICO? Could they theoretically go after anyone who donated or provided material support to the standoff? if they charged that cards against humanity idiot for the barrel of lube, this day would go from best ever into perfect
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They're not using RICO yet. I was saying the charges against Cliven are listed as the kind of charges that can be used to apply RICO. That's all.Soylent Yellow posted:How wide a net could they throw with RICO? Could they theoretically go after anyone who donated or provided material support to the standoff? It'd depend on their involvement. It's complicated stuff. If it were applied, they would be targeting the 501c organizations and associated politicians that were helping during the initial Bundy Ranch standoff.
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theflyingorc posted:hey, turns out that thing about Blaine Cooper being arrested was true. They michael bay treatment will do wonders for this story
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Soylent Yellow posted:How wide a net could they throw with RICO? Could they theoretically go after anyone who donated or provided material support to the standoff? I don’t think the connection is substantial enough to go after people like that with RICO, but IANAL.
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Soylent Yellow posted:How wide a net could they throw with RICO? Could they theoretically go after anyone who donated or provided material support to the standoff? They would be fools to go after the good citizens who sent dildos.
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Discendo Vox posted:Again, just because RICO's available doesn't mean it will be used. If RICO is applied, it will mean the government is targeting people who were funding or supporting the Bundys. Oooh yeah. Didn't they have a gofundme or something? e: also anyone who sent Haribo bears from Amazon
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Platystemon posted:RICO is the fed’s big swinging dick. Discendo Vox posted:Again, just because RICO's available doesn't mean it will be used. If RICO is applied, it will mean the government is targeting people who were funding or supporting the Bundys. I wonder how many politicians would get indicted in the process?
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Soylent Yellow posted:How wide a net could they throw with RICO? Could they theoretically go after anyone who donated or provided material support to the standoff? people who sent them double ended dildos
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buttcoinbrony posted:if they charged that cards against humanity idiot for the barrel of lube, this day would go from best ever into perfect I don't want to live in a country where I can't mail sex toys to militias.
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akadajet posted:people who sent them double ended dildos It would be pretty funny if the government fined everyone who sent them snacks and supplies though
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Mirthless posted:No confirmation on RICO yet but I really wouldn't be surprised if they'd been pursuing it from the get-go He was effectively on house-arrest and they could just wait for more stupidity to happen. They got far more than they were hoping.
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Now is the time for rebuilding. It might be good to start identifying Malheur organizations, researchers, etc that will need donations to recover from this. https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/697863886012157952
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fade5 posted:Goddamn, we're going full loving RICO against him? It's unlikely they'll go that farm though it would be fantastic if they did so and started cleaning out the militia movement due to the Bundy standoff. Bridge sniper and the rest of the 'guards' at the stand off would all be fair game for prosecution though.
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Mirthless posted:It would be pretty funny if the government fined everyone who sent them snacks and supplies though “we had to bag this 55 gallon drum of lube as evidence, hope it was worth it, assholes”
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Discendo Vox posted:Again, just because RICO's available doesn't mean it will be used. If RICO is applied, it will mean the government is targeting people who were funding or supporting the Bundys.
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Platystemon posted:“we had to bag this 55 gallon drum of lube as evidence, hope it was worth it, assholes” 54 gallons.
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Discendo Vox posted:Again, just because RICO's available doesn't mean it will be used. If RICO is applied, it will mean the government is targeting people who were funding or supporting the Bundys. Any thoughts on if they will, or is it one of those inscrutable government workings things where we just wait and see? As a layperson it makes sense to me that the feds would like to not have this be something that keeps springing up.
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theflyingorc posted:mark talked him into leaving, with talk of pizza and cries of hallelujah Has someone cut that clip out of the live stream yet?
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