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Mr Interweb posted:He's honestly dumber than I thought. Did he really think that the CONSTITUTION would magically protect him from the feds once he left home? And he wasn't escorted by bodyguards either! He was supposed to link up with Fiora in the terminal and somehow she would protect him but she decided she had to leave to get to the final 4 asap and left before he arrived. Not that it would have done anything.
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Soylent Yellow posted:How wide a net could they throw with RICO? Could they theoretically go after anyone who donated or provided material support to the standoff? If, and I repeat, if they do... Do you remember those professionally made signs? I think someone tied them back to that group of people who were advocating giving public lands to the states. aaaand... I think that groups is funded by the Koches.
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Platystemon posted:“we had to bag this 55 gallon drum of lube as evidence, hope it was worth it, assholes” At the court proceedings a trail of FBI trainees 55 long walk in with one gallon ziplocks of astroglide and pour it out on the floor for the jury to see the volume of lube delivered
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Warcabbit posted:I think that groups is funded by the Koches. That would be loving incredible if it happened.
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Warcabbit posted:If, and I repeat, if they do... I wouldn't expect to see any billionaires get brought up on charges in this. Politicians, though? I'm sure more than a few would be ending up in court.
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I'm sure they have cutouts, but it might expose the funders a little.
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Ssthalar posted:That would be loving incredible if it happened. They'd go to rich-person jail
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I bet you could turn coal into diamonds using the sphincter of any of the Bundy Ranch standoff people today. Here's hoping Cliven being clapped means they get charges finally.
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Feb 11, 2016 20:34
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Mirthless posted:At the court proceedings a trail of FBI trainees 55 long walk in with one gallon ziplocks of astroglide and pour it out on the floor for the jury to see the volume of lube delivered United States v. Approximately 54 gallons of Personal Lubricant
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SubponticatePoster posted:Well, there's a pretty big difference between "you protested and got arrested so here's some money for your defense" and "we're gonna send material aid to someone actively involved in a criminal act." I don't think they'd go after your average pensioner sending granola bars but for douchenozzles who showed up armed and got their faces on camera...? I agree- the people I'm talking about would have actually tried to set up the Bundy ranch standoff- JJ MacNab is strongly convinced that one or more Sagebrush Rebellion political groups were providing things like professional messaging points to the Bundys in both incidents. In both cases, homemade signs were suddenly replaced with professionally made ones with talking points taken from those groups. The "Harney County Community Center" sign is another example of that. Shakenbaker posted:Any thoughts on if they will, or is it one of those inscrutable government workings things where we just wait and see? Wait and see. It's not likely, just reallly appealing. Intel&Sebastian posted:I bet you could turn coal into diamonds using the sphincter of any of the Bundy Ranch standoff people today. Here's hoping Cliven being clapped means they get charges finally. All the people who have been arrested, aside from this morning's 4, are already charged.
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Warcabbit posted:If, and I repeat, if they do... It doesn't matter how much you dare to dream, even if the government goes full RICO they will not consider going after the Koch family. You could have video evidence of them forming 501c orgs for the explicit purpose of rallying militias to the Bundy ranch for a violent confrontation with the Feds and the Koch brothers would still beat the charges or get a slap on the wrist. One of the most powerful families on the planet isn't going to go down for funding groups to push for policies to further enrich said family.
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Mirthless posted:I wouldn't expect to see any billionaires get brought up on charges in this. No way, the right wing will cry for impeachment if that happens. Remember that time when they objected to the DHS domestic terror report? Or the IRS investigations into right‐wing organisations’ shady accounting?
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The charging process should be entertaining for a few weeks. We are likely to start seeing superceding indictments as they comb through the refuge for evidence, etc.
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I dunno if this got missed in the past thousand posts or so, but Blaine Cooper apparently got arrested too. http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/blaine_coopers_wife_says_he_ha.html
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My amateur understanding of RICO is that it's used to nail people further up the food chain in a criminal enterprise for the actions of their subordinates, not the other way around. If the Bundy fuckos were operating under the orders of superiors in the militia movement then RICO would be used to nail whoever the Bundys worked for for everything the Bundys did. The people who were mailing them dildos should be just fine.  IANAL, etc.
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Warcabbit posted:If, and I repeat, if they do... The Kochs donated like 10k to that group, nothing is going that far unless there's actually a record of the Kochs directly being involved in the conspiracy. In all likelihood the Kochs wouldn't have wanted the original standoff in the first place; they work through 501c3 rhetoric, public persuasion and backroom legal wrangling, not armed takeovers.
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I was under the impression that the koch's stealth campaign against federal land ownership was an open secret. Like the links all the way down to the Bundy types weren't solid but you could trace them right to all the halfway legit orgs egging them on.
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Feb 11, 2016 20:39
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So what are we listening to now? I heard something about a KGW feed but I can't find one with audio.
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weekly font posted:So what are we listening to now? I heard something about a KGW feed but I can't find one with audio. We’re not; it’s all over. There’s nothing to watch but the news.
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Platystemon posted:No way, the right wing will cry for impeachment if that happens. With the exception of a few small-peanuts state-level legislators pretty much everyone in a higher office has ignored these chucklefucks because they look (and are) completely retarded. Ted Cruz said something at the beginning but even he shut the gently caress up about it because anyone with half an ounce of sense wants to distance themselves from these idiots, even if they agree 100% Nobody in Congress is dumb enough to stick their necks out for this particular branch of Y'allquaeda.
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What's happened in the last 2000 pages since last night I thought they were surrendering at 8?
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Platystemon posted:No way, the right wing will cry for impeachment if that happens. They can object to the notion of RW terrorist organizations and investigating them, but after a terrorist occupation they'd be hard-pressed to defend it. They still totally could in their bubbles, but it would probably be easier to just otherize and eject the Bundies. Don't think there will be any real charges on govt officials--maybe that sovcit sheriff in Grant or Fiore, but that would be the extent of it--and even then that's unlikely. Then again, there was probably a lot of weirdness around the 2014 standoff that we haven't heard about yet. Who knows?
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I find it hilarious that the two idiots talking to the guy on the livestream nearly got him to kill himself they were so terrible, and pretty much as soon as God Negotiator Mark got involved Fry basically gave up immediately. Basically the point is the FBI has negotiators for a reason and they're pretty drat good at what they do.
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sparatuvs posted:What's happened in the last 2000 pages since last night There's good recaps here but you may be better off reading an oregonlive updated story and then coming back here for the specific laffs
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sparatuvs posted:What's happened in the last 2000 pages since last night They all surrendered but we all thought Fry was going to kill himself/suicide by cop until he ate a cookie and the FBI agreed to a Hallelujah
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sparatuvs posted:What's happened in the last 2000 pages since last night 3 of them did, 1 did not and was nearly talked into suicide by two talk show hosts before the FBI negotiator got him on the phone and took ten minutes to give him a cookie to come out peacefully.
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Feb 11, 2016 20:45
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Does this mean we get to lock up Ted Bundy now?
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Grouchio posted:Does this mean we get to lock up Ted Bundy now? they already got ted bundy a few years back but al is holed up in the back of the shoe store
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Don't worry, this saga is far from over. We'll get the absolutely incredible sovcit court proceedings. Oh, dear god, the outbursts...
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http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/04/a-list-of-cliven-bundys-supporters-now-that-we-know-hes-a-pro-slavery-racist/361154/ lots of politicians supported them, they toned it down when he spoke re: 'the negro.' Their taking up arms against the government never deterred republicans from supporting the Bundy's.
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Stultus Maximus posted:3 of them did, 1 did not and was nearly talked into suicide by two talk show hosts before the FBI negotiator got him on the phone and took ten minutes to give him a cookie to come out peacefully. And two of the earlier ones surrendered while playing bagpipes music on their phones like with were cosplaying Braveheart. loving magical.
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You know we were all laughing about it earlier, but Fiore was right on the money when she was making sure they all took a piss before the surrender.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/04/a-list-of-cliven-bundys-supporters-now-that-we-know-hes-a-pro-slavery-racist/361154/ he made for a good story - he's stopping the government from taking "his land", which is a narrative that appeals to a lot of people not so much taking over land that belongs to federal government and calling for no public lands at all
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So, to recap: *This all started over some bundy boys poaching deer on federal land then starting fires to hide their tracks *Proceeded to then threaten to kill firefighters/park rangers over the matter *Some chucklefucks took this opportunity to see this as the second American Revolution by occupying a federally-own bird conservation *This entices 100~ more idiots to go to the conservation with firearms; some looking to play army man, others legit government hating sovcit types seeing this as their golden moment to be real patriots. All the while making videos of openly fantasizing about shooting feds. *Sex toys and lube gets mailed to mock them *Children are dragged there by one heinous rancher; purposely said to be used as human shields and eventually safely gotten out via Child Protective Services *Somewhere along the line, the militia calls for support around the country to take a stand; most reply with excuses as being bound to a wheelchair or they have work. Also ex navy seals coming to support them. *Ammon and 6~ others stupidly leave the refuge in a painfully obvious honeytrap to get arrested *LaVoy Finnicum, the only one zealous enough to fully practice what everybody else preached, gets himself killed and immortalized as a meme because he hid underneath a tarp while being interviewed. *Almost everybody gets the hell out of the refuge after being snapped back into reality from LaVoy's death *Cliven takes his last flight *Three of the final 4 peacefully leave with bagpipe celebration; David Fry holes up and teetered on the razor's edge of suicide *Clear-cut insane ramblings from Fry *After at least an hour of religious bullshit being shoved down Fry's throat by Fiore and Gavin using this to pad their own pockets/popularity, FBI agent Mark defuses the situation peacefully in a matter of minutes [ultimately, all started back in 1993 over a hissy fit over grazing fees] Right? EorayMel fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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theflyingorc posted:confirmed, FBI press conference at 2PM 2:00PM their time I take it? So that's like 5:00 est?
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OAquinas posted:Don't think there will be any real charges on govt officials--maybe that sovcit sheriff in Grant or Fiore, but that would be the extent of it--and even then that's unlikely. I’m saying that there’s no way Fiore eats charges. Her antics won’t get her more than a stern talking‐to. The sheriff maybe gets charged, depending on the contents of his phone calls  .State assembly is pretty far down the totem pole, but it’s still a serious political office. Sheriff is closer to dog catcher.
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It wasn't the Bundy boys that started the fire. It started when the world began turning. No it was the Hammonds, people unconnected and several states away.
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The thread title needs to be updated to: LIBERTY DIES: OBAMA ARRESTS WE THE PEOPLE OF THE CONSTITUTIONLevitate posted:They all surrendered but we all thought Fry was going to kill himself/suicide by cop until he ate a cookie and the FBI agreed to a Hallelujah The best part is that nothing in this sentence is an exaggeration.
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Levitate posted:They all surrendered but we all thought Fry was going to kill himself/suicide by cop until he ate a cookie and the FBI agreed to a Hallelujah Fry: I'm scared... KrisAnnHall: Let me talk to you about going to prison and being raped in prison and how much courage you need to surrender (because it's going to suck a lot) Then let me direct your attention to God - who's in heaven, waiting for you. FBI: Halleluja bro! Come get a pizza.
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