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DeathSandwich posted:I'm the boring shut in that's never been on an airplane. Are Air Marshals in plainclothes when on an airplane generally? It'd stand to reason you wouldn't want to advertise who the Air Marshal on a flight was in case some group of people get it in their head to try and jack him. Yes, they're supposed to be indistinguishable from regular passengers. Although I've heard of Air Marshals getting sloppy and being kind of obvious.
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Actually had a busy day at work and missed the madness. Any chance of adding a recording of the Braveheart soundtrack surrender and Kylo Ren's big soliloquy to the OP?
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Mo_Steel posted:I get the sense that the FBI are an actual good intelligence agency where the CIA / NSA are spying, torturing fucksticks. Is that accurate? Errrr...the FBI has done some awful things. They're just really, REALLY good at what they do. They win. A lot.
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So what was that argument made by the last ones holding out that "The refuge was in better condition after we got here!"?
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DeathSandwich posted:I'm the boring shut in that's never been on an airplane. Are Air Marshals in plainclothes when on an airplane generally? It'd stand to reason you wouldn't want to advertise who the Air Marshal on a flight was in case some group of people get it in their head to try and jack him. Yeah, Air Marshals are generally plainclothes officers and they're sometimes randomly (or not so randomly) placed on flights. There's no way of knowing your plane has an Air Marshal on it until poo poo goes down.
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Mo_Steel posted:I get the sense that the FBI are an actual good intelligence agency where the CIA / NSA are spying, torturing fucksticks. Is that accurate? FBI are on average the best intelligence agency while the CIA is the worst. The NSA is mostly signals stuff so they really don't do much but track everything you read/write/listen to. 
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Discendo Vox posted:https://twitter.com/PaladinCornelia/status/697881698801811456
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Discendo Vox posted:https://twitter.com/PaladinCornelia/status/697881698801811456 Anyone else notice the tarp camp is named camp finicum?
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EorayMel posted:So what was that argument made by the last ones holding out that "The refuge was in better condition after we got here!"? That was made by Gavin Seim, and it was kind of followed by 'Um..' and sputtering by (I believe) Sean
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A Winner is Jew posted:FBI are on average the best intelligence agency while the CIA is the worst. The NSA is mostly signals stuff so they really don't do much but track everything you read/write/listen to. That's not to say that the FBI is all that great either, it's just that the FBI have always operated on the assumption that they're law enforcement officers while the CIA have always operated on the assumption that they're superspies. This is why the FBI's worst offenses usually involve a dozen cultists/militiamen/whatever getting killed in a standoff, and the CIA's worst offenses are black site prisons and gun running operations with Mexican cartels. One organization places value on taxpayer lives, the other organization sees taxpayers as just another threat to The Company.
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Did they seriously write "Camp Finicum" on the side of their tarp tent?
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A Winner is Jew posted:Anyone else notice the tarp camp is named camp finicum? They'd been calling it that for a while. Because they were just camping like normal people, see?!
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A Winner is Jew posted:The other thing to watch for (and I'm sure the FBI are on this) is any potential OKC bombings from this. I have to say that the contrast to how they handled this standoff and the Bundy ranch one have been way better than Waco / Ruby Ridge, but sovcit's have been proven to be loving batshit at every corner and after all the cries of "they don't play fair" or "tarp man was murdered" I could easily see one of the fringe people wanting to become the next McVeigh. Well, this whole incident was such a massive loving failure that even other militia groups are calling the whole thing a false flag.  
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shoplifter posted:That was made by Gavin Seim, and it was kind of followed by 'Um..' and sputtering by (I believe) Sean It's gonna be so funny when they find a bunch of new poo poo to tack onto everybody's sentences now that they have the compound fully secured. After how much of a pain in the rear end they made this for the FBI, I imagine that every illicit logon event and every mile joyridden is going to come back to bite Ammon Bundy in the rear end.
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Shakenbaker posted:They'd been calling it that for a while. Because they were just camping like normal people, see?! "We're going to start the second revolution!" "We're peacefully protesting!" "We're just camping!"
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Discendo Vox posted:https://twitter.com/PaladinCornelia/status/697881698801811456 Filthy scum. I really hope they didn't leave any actual booby traps.
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Smiling Jack posted:There are extremely limited circumstances where non-air marshals can carry but the paperwork is insane and it's very rare. It's not that hard for federal LEOs. I won't go into details because the policy is stamped for non-disclosure. I don't carry on planes because I don't fly commercial for work (I would not check my service weapon, you get hammered if you lose those), and I like to drink and (try to) sleep on commercial flights. There is an ask/tell by an air Marshall, it's pretty good reading if you're curious.
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EorayMel posted:"We're going to start the second revolution!" the quote is "It's the second American revolution, mom! We're gonna be heroes!"
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Mr Interweb posted:Filthy scum. On the one hand that would suck if they did, on the other if they did then EVERYONE gets charged for that poo poo that's already in custody.
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A Winner is Jew posted:On the one hand that would suck if they did, on the other if they did then EVERYONE gets charged for that poo poo that's already in custody.
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Mercury_Storm posted:Well, this whole incident was such a massive loving failure that even other militia groups are calling the whole thing a false flag. I was expecting this. This whole debacle was such an embarrassment to Socis and groups like Sagebrush that it's effectively setting back the militia movement decades. It was like a reverse WACO. Or an Oklahoma City Bombing without a daycare getting wiped out in the process. I imagine there are some people in the FBI who just got some very big boosts to their careers for ending this in an essentially bloodless way. Except Finicum, but everyone's seen the video at this point, the way his supporters are trying to paint him as a martyr just further discredits their movement.
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Mr Interweb posted:Filthy scum. I really hope they did. I'm sure the FBI is going to be taking their sweet time securing the rest of the compound. If they find any booby traps, that's a whole new set of charges, and if they're going for RICO prosecution that means Ammon and Ryan could be facing charges for every booby trap the holdouts set. (I suspect this may also be why Ammon was sweating the end of the occupation so hard - if he knew RICO was on the table he also knew he was on the hook for anything that happened at the occupation)
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When I get home from work, I'll get started on a full write-up of the incident that can be linked to in case anyone is confused on the events.
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Mirthless posted:I was expecting this. This whole debacle was such an embarrassment to Socis and groups like Sagebrush that it's effectively setting back the militia movement decades. It was like a reverse WACO. Or an Oklahoma City Bombing without a daycare getting wiped out in the process. I imagine there are some people in the FBI who just got some very big boosts to their careers for ending this in an essentially bloodless way. Except Finicum, but everyone's seen the video at this point, the way his supporters are trying to paint him as a martyr just further discredits their movement. Which is part of why they jumped on Finicum's death so hard. They actually really NEEDED something, ANYTHING that made the government look like the bad guy here. They were boned otherwise.
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https://twitter.com/Leah_Sottile/status/697861384722214912 This will not stand!
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shoplifter posted:Didn't see this posted unless I accidentally skipped a page: At least she gave us permission not to thank her.
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shoplifter posted:Didn't see this posted unless I accidentally skipped a page: i'm not going to glorify anything you said because you said many, many dumb things and almost made the kid kill himself on several occasions.
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Shakenbaker posted:https://twitter.com/Leah_Sottile/status/697861384722214912 tbf if i could blow my shofar that's all i would do all day, too
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I want someone to modify this and say it to Cliven;quote:
Edited appropriately to address his age and lack of beach based real-estate of course.
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Mirthless posted:Or an Oklahoma City Bombing without a daycare getting wiped out in the process. Uh, while I agree with your general sentiment, I think this part's pretty off.
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shoplifter posted:Didn't see this posted unless I accidentally skipped a page: She has a really funny way of spelling Agent Mark's name.
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Dallan Invictus posted:She has a really funny way of spelling Agent Mark's name. Since Lemmy's passed god needed a new host. He found special agent Mark.
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eviltastic posted:Uh, while I agree with your general sentiment, I think this part's pretty off. I don't know how it was in the rest of the country but in Michigan we went from having our biggest militia airing commercials on television to local businesses putting up signs saying "MILITIA MEMBERS NOT WELCOME" basically overnight. As soon as we knew where Timmy came from we were all in a big hurry to not be associated with him. After moving out to Oklahoma I also discovered that Oklahoma has basically no militia movement, or at least not a significant one, despite our extreme right leaning tendencies. Everyone takes "the Murrah Bombing" very seriously out here.
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eviltastic posted:Uh, while I agree with your general sentiment, I think this part's pretty off. Yeah the daycare being destroyed, and that iconic image of the firefighter with the dead baby, was one of the main things that made even the far right realize things had gotten way to loving real, at least for a little.
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Wait a minute. I thought Blaine Cooper was one of the final four? But it turns out he was arrested in Nevada?
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Mr Interweb posted:Wait a minute. I thought Blaine Cooper was one of the final four? But it turns out he was arrested in Nevada? No, he was one of the people we were worried about the night of the arrests. He skedaddled during the night, and was thought to be in hiding
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Mr Interweb posted:Wait a minute. I thought Blaine Cooper was one of the final four? But it turns out he was arrested in Nevada? Blaine Cooper got cast out of the group when it turned out he stole valor.
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theflyingorc posted:No, he was one of the people we were worried about the night of the arrests. He skedaddled during the night, and was thought to be in hiding Oh okay. Good to see the FBI didn't let him get off.
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