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FlamingLiberal posted:Sadly I can predict how this is going to work....the state is going to continue to have problems because of the budget problems, people will now blame the Democratic governor, and will then elect a Republican in 4 years because the Dem had to clean up the mess the GOP left. This is basically what will happen. He'll have 4 years of just trying to wade in poo poo without being drowned, the entire state will be like " Look how bad the Democrats hosed things up for us" and vote Republican. It's almost like it's a Republican tactic.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:so is Hillary vs. Bernie chat frowned upon in here or something goddamn To add a bit to the other replies: This thread is meant for discussion of general political happenings, the primaries were given their own threads because discussing them in depth here would drown out any discussion of what horrible thing Bumblefuck State Legislature did today. And also yes, primary chat inevitably spirals into a never-ending pile of YCS posts (the acronym, not the subforum).
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Probably because they're deeply insecure and authoritarian and so they need to feel that they always have their children under their thumb so they can control them better. Reminder that something very similar to this is literally a campaign plank of the Texas GOP. quote:We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the students fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.
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Moktaro posted:To add a bit to the other replies: This thread is meant for discussion of general political happenings, the primaries were given their own threads because discussing them in depth here would drown out any discussion of what horrible thing Bumblefuck State Legislature did today. I've personally never minded discussion of primary news per se, but the problem is that it so often devolves into a discussion of the general merits/platforms of the candidates. Combine this with the liberal lean of D&D, and you tend to get horrible Hillary vs. Bernie debates that spin in circles forever without bringing anything substantially new to the table and which, as mentioned, drown out any other discussion. Republican primary news, in contrast, rarely gets as heated because pretty much no one here defends any of them. EDIT: I feel like I should mention that my "Hillary Corner" part of the monthly OP was always meant to mock the conservative media's unceasing onslaught of poorly sourced anti-Hillary hit pieces dating to the early 90s, and not as a true slam on her candidacy. Not that I think people took it seriously but w/e. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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DemeaninDemon posted:In regards to stupid parents: it's perfectly OK in Idaho to use faith healing. Children die because praying doesn't do poo poo to diabetes or even food poisoning. “Children do die,” said state Rep. Christy Perry (R-Nampa) last year. “I’m not trying to sound callous, but (reformers) want to act as if death is an anomaly. But it’s not — it’s a way of life.” What you want to bet this human garbage is anti-abortion? If there's a hell, I hope these bastards rot in it.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I've personally never minded discussion of primary news per se, but the problem is that it so often devolves into a discussion of the general merits/platforms of the candidates. It's because both candidates and their platforms are basically the same. But some people reallllly want to pretend otherwise.
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There's this ABC special on with the mother of Dylan Klebold and it's really rubbing me the wrong way. Diane Sawyer's already asked the question "weren't you concerned when your son bought that long trenchcoat???" It's such a stupid question and instantly takes me back to that horrible 'trenchcoats/video games/Marilyn Manson makes kids violent' hysteria of that time period.
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FourLeaf posted:There's this ABC special on with the mother of Dylan Klebold and it's really rubbing me the wrong way. Diane Sawyer's already asked the question "weren't you concerned when your son bought that long trenchcoat???" It's such a stupid question and instantly takes me back to that horrible 'trenchcoats/video games/Marilyn Manson makes kids violent' hysteria of that time period. Colmbine isn't even at a milestone anniversary this year. Why is this on? Fake edit: she has some book out. Edit: looking at the list of school shootings. The first real mass school shooting was in '91 and the next was '97 then Columbine happens and it seems to explode from there. I'm not counting the spree sniper or whatever he was from Texas in the '60s? I think. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Lotka Volterra posted:“Children do die,” said state Rep. Christy Perry (R-Nampa) last year. “I’m not trying to sound callous, but (reformers) want to act as if death is an anomaly. But it’s not — it’s a way of life.” R-Nampa? You bet your rear end it's a pro-life poo poo stain. Nampa+politician almost guarantees right-wing gently caress stain.
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From two pages ago, but I'd like to highlight this again for those who haven't watched it yet. drat. Sticking around until the end is definitely worth it.
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Vagon posted:From two pages ago, but I'd like to highlight this again for those who haven't watched it yet. drat. Sticking around until the end is definitely worth it. "Baking bread is an inconvenience, being baked in an oven is persecution." 
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:"Baking bread is an inconvenience, being baked in an oven is persecution." Yeah, as a religious person myself, I find it nauseating when conservatives claim they're being persecuted by...being required to not treat gay people like poo poo. Oh those poor, poor business owners. What an imposition that must be.
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Majorian posted:Yeah, as a religious person myself, I find it nauseating when conservatives claim they're being persecuted by...being required to not treat gay people like poo poo. Oh those poor, poor business owners. What an imposition that must be. As a non religious business owner I would love to take on as much business from gay people as possible. It takes a real knuckle-dragging gently caress to go "These people want me to do a thing I do for money and they are going to PAY ME???" and get mad about it. I went into my bank a few weeks ago to get some bank statements printed out for some tax stuff that needs to be taken care of. The main teller was preoccupied so one of the managers just tells me to come to his desk and he'll handle it there. We start chatting and he asks what business I'm in. I tell him marketing and we start talking about that and what other local businesses work with the bank and how they like to go to one another for services when they can. He tells me that he works part time at a bar and restaurant downtown on the weekends and that they're always looking for new ways to get their name out. Turns out the guy works at a drag bar as a singer that is THE place to be for Sunday brunch. It's insanely popular here and one hell of a good time. Once he gets talking about this he tells me that there are a lot of gay and lesbian business owners that are constantly looking for people to work with that aren't twats about them being gay and that he would love to introduce me to them since I'm perfectly okay with it. So for someone to say they're being persecuted because they don't want to work with that group of people is insane. I cannot wrap my head around being in the middle of doing something that would make me money and go "welp they're gay. that means if I take their money I'll catch the gay" or whatever.
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FourLeaf posted:There's this ABC special on with the mother of Dylan Klebold and it's really rubbing me the wrong way. Diane Sawyer's already asked the question "weren't you concerned when your son bought that long trenchcoat???" It's such a stupid question and instantly takes me back to that horrible 'trenchcoats/video games/Marilyn Manson makes kids violent' hysteria of that time period. They do
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Trenchcoats are more a sign of your kid being a dweeb than a psycho killer.
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Vagon posted:From two pages ago, but I'd like to highlight this again for those who haven't watched it yet. drat. Sticking around until the end is definitely worth it. He almost threw the mic on the ground. This Guy for Congress.
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Feb 13, 2016 08:50
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Lemming posted:The "number line poo poo" is so you can do the subtraction in your head instead of needing to write it out on paper. 427 minus 316 becomes "ok, take away 300, I get 127, then take away 10, I get 117, take away 6, I get 111." The point is to try to teach the "tricks" that people develop once they have a good understanding directly instead of just teaching the rote solution. Genuinely curious: Kids are too young, so I haven't dealt with this yet, and I get teaching the "tricks" in quickly getting approximation taking care of the larger digits first rather than starting with the ones and working it the other way, but what is the new process for, say 427 minus 336? Is it "take away 300, I get 127, take away -1, I get 1, take away 6?, get 1" What's the second step there, as taught now?
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Fix posted:Genuinely curious: I'm not a teacher or anything, just a random idiot. I would assume it's the same order, 427 minus 300 is 127, then minus 30 is 97, then minus 6 is 91.
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Not unreasonable to just teach the number line to 20 and be done with it. Huh. I wonder if that's how they're doing it.
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Feb 13, 2016 10:07
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I really like that common core problem as it teaches to think of math as a proof instead of a memorization exercise. Not sure what the problem is other then that's not how I learned math.
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lamentable dustman posted:I really like that common core problem as it teaches to think of math as a proof instead of a memorization exercise. Not sure what the problem is other then that's not how I learned math. That's an actual intergenerational problem when trying to supplement education, but otherwise I agree. Though the old style is still a proof, just in the other direction. The new method is better for approximation, to be sure, which has its merits. The answer is the same regardless, and the time to reach it is about the same once the method is learned. Fix fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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On Terra Firma posted:As a non religious business owner I would love to take on as much business from gay people as possible. It takes a real knuckle-dragging gently caress to go "These people want me to do a thing I do for money and they are going to PAY ME???" and get mad about it. I know, and it's not like the cake is going to be topped with Bacchanalian gay BDSM orgy scenes, complete with a little weeping Jesus figurine off to the side, trying to cover the eyes of shocked onlooking children. It's a loving wedding cake. The only difference is you put two grooms or brides at the top. You're not officiating their wedding. You're not giving a toast. You're not applying lube on the wedding night. You're baking a cake, and putting two men or two women on top. (if even that!)
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Jeb's in trouble. Here come W.
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Fix posted:That's an actual intergenerational problem when trying to supplement education, but otherwise I agree. Though the old style is still a proof, just in the other direction. The new method is better for approximation, to be sure, which has its merits. The answer is the same regardless, and the time to reach it is about the same once the method is learned. It's not about the correct answer. It's about the journey to getting it.
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Mantis42 posted:Trenchcoats are more a sign of your kid being a dweeb than a psycho killer. Is Fashion Crime a gateway to violent crime? Fox reports tonight
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they teach the old-style adding/subtracting algorithm in addition to the new method anyhow?
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Majorian posted:I know, and it's not like the cake is going to be topped with Bacchanalian gay BDSM orgy scenes, complete with a little weeping Jesus figurine off to the side, trying to cover the eyes of shocked onlooking children. I want this cake.
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Majorian posted:I know, and it's not like the cake is going to be topped with Bacchanalian gay BDSM orgy scenes, complete with a little weeping Jesus figurine off to the side, trying to cover the eyes of shocked onlooking children. Well not if you don't ask for it.
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Does it really count as a gay wedding cake if that's not how it's topped?
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UV_Catastrophe posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they teach the old-style adding/subtracting algorithm in addition to the new method anyhow? They sure as hell do!
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https://youtu.be/UIKGV2cTgqA Anytime people my age, early thirties, start bitching about common core, I link this as a reminder that arguments about how to teach kids math have existed for 50-odd loving years. The idea that "this is how I learned it, this is how it should be taught" will never loving die.
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Feb 13, 2016 16:26
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Could a straight couple getting married order a gay wedding cake?
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Robviously posted:https://youtu.be/UIKGV2cTgqA I'm just a little skeptical that after a couple thousand years of math education we've suddenly discovered a new way to teach it is so great it is worth removing or mitigating the ability of the parent to assist the "proper" way.
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Xae posted:I'm just a little skeptical that after a couple thousand years of math education we've suddenly discovered a new way to teach it is so great it is worth removing or mitigating the ability of the parent to assist the "proper" way. It's only in the past 150-ish years that anyone outside of the top 1% has gotten math education.
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Xae posted:I'm just a little skeptical that after a couple thousand years of math education we've suddenly discovered a new way to teach it is so great it is worth removing or mitigating the ability of the parent to assist the "proper" way. The dumbest thing about this post is when you assume that math pedagogy has somehow remained static for thousands of years.
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I'm just a little skeptical that after a couple thousand years of corporal discipline we've suddenly discovered a new way to teach so great it is worth removing or mitigating the ability of the parent to assist the "proper" way.
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mrtillo posted:The dumbest thing about this post is when you assume that math pedagogy has somehow remained static for thousands of years. The dumbest thing about this post is that you assume things not talked about to avoid discussing the point. Despite it being a response to a post about how match teaching changed in the 70s and 80s. So not even just assuming. Just outright lying to avoid the point. Bravo. The lesson of the last 50+ years of education is that parents are the most important part of a child's education. Except when it comes to math. Then gently caress 'em. We got new methods that are totally better than parental involvement. Hey wait. Why aren't kids doing well in math? CheesyDog posted:I'm just a little skeptical that after a couple thousand years of corporal discipline we've suddenly discovered a new way to teach so great it is worth removing or mitigating the ability of the parent to assist the "proper" way.  Yes, "Old math" is literally identical to systemic child abuse. Xae fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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DemeaninDemon posted:It's not about the correct answer. It's about the journey to getting it. Yeah and that's why that Feynmann quote is doubly apt. There is only one correct answer, why worry about it, particularly if it's already known.
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Xae posted:The dumbest thing about this post is that you assume things not talked about to avoid discussing the point. Despite it being a response to a post about how match teaching changed in the 70s and 80s. "Teaching" as we understand it didn't even exist until the late 19th or early 20th century. Universal education is a really recent phenomenon and it makes sense we would develop new methods as time went on. The method most of us learned just stuck around long enough for morons to think it's the only way to teach math. And most parents don't have the education, let alone the time, to help their kids with school work past the age of 10 or 12 no matter the method. It's not that big of an issue. Edit: Kids aren't doing well in math because of large class sizes, cultural obstacles to girls getting excited about the subject, and an overall lack of education resources. Not because mom and dad don't understand the new methodology. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Xae posted:I'm just a little skeptical that after a couple thousand years of math education we've suddenly discovered a new way to teach it is so great it is worth removing or mitigating the ability of the parent to assist the "proper" way. Human psychology is an area of extremely active research and our understanding of how people learn has absolutely exploded in the last few decades. F-MRI scans didn't exist before 1990 after all. Pedagogy as a result has really advanced significantly.
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