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Dr.Zeppelin
Dec 5, 2003

Logikv9 posted:

the narrative will be "the fact bernie is so close means that he is winning" until SC.

agreed, it's :perfect: that progressive / liberal voters are finally showing up and finally doing something. it's just that in tyool 2016, there aren't enough of them to get bernie into office. if enough of them maintain their political stances into adulthood (remember many of these liberal / progressive voters are basically kids, who can change their mind more freely than your average old person) then we can see real changes at some point.

people will look back at 2016 and state that this is when the change started happening, but not as the year that progressivism suddenly triumphed over everything and everyone

people said that about 2008 too

dailykos had their own gop dinosaur to gleefully celebrate their permanent demise

they were so proud

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Mystery Goomba
Jun 4, 2011

Mystery Goomba posted:

I was referring to the differences between the (sparse) polling being done in NV prior to the latest batch of polls this month -- Clinton had a +23 lead in December. CNN had her at +1 just two days ago. That's a lot of movement! I'm not so certain those numbers are going to be reflected on caucus night, though. If they are, then egg on my face :)

It's nice to be right for once, but I wouldn't call this a huge win for Hillary. It's pretty clear she has big problems she needs to work on with younger voters. That's my super hot take of the day.

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



HILLDOG WINS

Mitt Romney
Nov 9, 2005
dumb and bad
https://twitter.com/AmericaFerrera/status/701166307387928577

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

WHAT

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012


We have to build a wall.

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.

Nanomashoes posted:

According to /pol/, the casino bosses (jews) rigged this for hillary. Thoughts?

If only the democrats fought the republicans as hard as they fought Bernie

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Dr.Zeppelin posted:

people said that about 2008 too

dailykos had their own gop dinosaur to gleefully celebrate their permanent demise

they were so proud

And now a person who runs as a socialist is being a huge presence in this election, so it seems like the same sentiment is there, just without someone as eloquent or personable as Obama out there

rscott
Dec 10, 2009

Logikv9 posted:

the narrative will be "the fact bernie is so close means that he is winning" until SC.

agreed, it's :perfect: that progressive / liberal voters are finally showing up and finally doing something. it's just that in tyool 2016, there aren't enough of them to get bernie into office. if enough of them maintain their political stances into adulthood (remember many of these liberal / progressive voters are basically kids, who can change their mind more freely than your average old person) then we can see real changes at some point.

people will look back at 2016 and state that this is when the change started happening, but not as the year that progressivism suddenly triumphed over everything and everyone

I think this is most likely the case

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
calling it now: reddit conspiracy will involve red-shirtgate / aceghazi / the jews?

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

The Glumslinger posted:

So is MSNBC because they were just saying the same thing on air, and talking about how the caucus makes people less likely to vote out of line

I mean, you cant claim to be serious about democracy if you're making people vote for a candidate while their bosses are watching them.

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

wow rude posted:

Wouldn't the Jews rig things for the Jew?

He's non-practicing. Obviously he got cucked by the elite and now stands red pilled for the goyim something something shoah something.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Logikv9 posted:

calling it now: reddit conspiracy will involve red-shirtgate / aceghazi / the jews?

But Bernie is Jewish? Or did the communist jews split from the capitalist jews and never sent me a memo?

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.


paid Hollywood elite making stuff up? maybe? doesn't matter if real or not, it has the impact of a real thing. gotta get them Latino voters to Hillary, who better than a Latino actress?

Ponsonby Britt
Mar 13, 2006
I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?
NV caucus trip report:

I caucused at an elementary school like a block away from my house (in a middle-class, ethnically mixed area in the southeast part of Las Vegas). Turnout was huge - we didn't finish processing the line of people until 12:30 (we stopped letting people get in line at 12). Each classroom was a precinct site, but a number of them were literally too full so people had to stand out in the hallways.

I somehow wound up serving as a volunteer for the site (directing traffic, valet parking, trying to convince the disability advocate that I had no power to do anything about the dick who parked in front of the wheelchair cut-out) and as the precinct secretary for my room (essentially writing down numbers on a big poster). My particular room was split about 60% for Clinton (almost entirely old white ladies, a few old white men and old black ladies, and one young Latino-looking guy) and 40% for Sanders (about half old white people, half young people of various ethnicities).

The whole process took about two and a half hours. One and a half of those hours was getting people checked in and registered to vote; 45 minutes was reading letters aloud from people like Harry Reid and the campaigns; and about 45 minutes was spent on the actual process of dividing up into groups and counting them. And now I am done, and am going to eat a grilled cheese from In-N-Out.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Logikv9 posted:

calling it now: reddit conspiracy will involve red-shirtgate / aceghazi / the jews?

why would the jews be pulling for hillary, and not a fellow jew?

Donald Trump
Jan 31, 2016

by exmarx
I congratulate Hillary Clinton for winning in Nevada. I look forward to beating her in the general.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

TheRat posted:

I mean, you cant claim to be serious about democracy if you're making people vote for a candidate while their bosses are watching them.

Why do we even still have loving caucuses anyways?

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:

So Nevada is good opening act and all but aren't the exit polls from the headliner supposed to drop around now?

7PM, I believe.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Donald Trump posted:

I congratulate Hillary Clinton for winning in Nevada. I look forward to beating her in the general.

are you two going to kang and kodos this election, and instead of debate just make out on stage?

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

The Glumslinger posted:

But Bernie is Jewish? Or did the communist jews split from the capitalist jews and never sent me a memo?


Pick posted:

why would the jews be pulling for hillary, and not a fellow jew?


Nanomashoes posted:

He's non-practicing. Obviously he got cucked by the elite and now stands red pilled for the goyim something something shoah something.

he's a JINO :argh:

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

Pick posted:

why would the jews be pulling for hillary, and not a fellow jew?

More money in her, obviously. Get your neo nazi ideology straight, money trumps everything for a jew.

Korelle
Sep 18, 2010

Logikv9 posted:

if enough of them maintain their political stances into adulthood

Bwahahahahahahaha

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
I forgot that the problem with these primary/caucus threads is all the leakage from the Hillary/Bernie Slapfight Hellthreads.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
oh man I can finally upgrade my cat avatar!

gotta find a good pic. i think im at tiger baby with tiger mom now.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

The Glumslinger posted:

I hung out some friends last night who I hadn't seen in a while, and I was just trying to yank the chain of a guy who is a "liberaltarian" about whether he was voting for Trump or Sanders. I had forgotten that he was gonna take that and in it turn a half-hour long argument about minutiae, so I quickly left to hang out with people at the other side of the table while he argued with someone over whether Obama had the obligation to tell the FBI to not try to get the San Bernadino phone decrypted or whatever else they argued about

Redditors occasionally leave the internet and go out into the world. They should be shunned there as they should be shunned anywhere else.

Although for real if I go out with people and they start saying knowing things about 'opportunity' and how 'certain schools' have really gone down hill I will engage in half hour plus long harangues about why they are so dumb. Got a $300 donation for some after school stuff from a guy out of it once though.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

paid Hollywood elite making stuff up? maybe? doesn't matter if real or not, it has the impact of a real thing. gotta get them Latino voters to Hillary, who better than a Latino actress?

I have no doubt that somewhere some rear end in a top hat white dudes got racist.

If you want to deflect it just say they were Young Republicans caucusing for Bernie to gently caress with stuff.

Swedgin
Aug 22, 2006

by exmarx

538 posted:

By my math, Hillary Clinton is on track to win between 18 and 20 of Nevada’s 35 pledged delegates, and Bernie Sanders is on track to win between 15 and 17. That’s not good news for Sanders, who needed roughly 19 Nevada delegates to be “on track” for the nomination, according to the Cook Political Report scorecard.

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

Hillary already tweeted that she won.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
no true scotsman would ever--

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

~here's a thought~

bernie would get stonewalled by congress, since even in a democratic wave election practically all the new congresspeople would be well to his right, and the almost-inevitable anti-incumbent midterm election would make the second half of his term even worse

you could say the same for hillary, but socialism/leftism/progressivism/whateverism would have a bigger image problem under that scenario than under the scenario where hillary does exactly the same thing

Schnorkles
Apr 30, 2015

It's a little bit juvenile, but it's simple and it's timeless.

We let it be known that Schnorkles, for a snack, eats tiny pieces of shit.

You're picturing it and you're talking about it. That's a win in my book.

Korelle posted:

Bwahahahahahahaha

Before you make posts you should try to know vaguely what you're talking about.

Most research says that people's political identities firms up early and stays similar through-out their entire life. The only noticable change in any studies done is actually people tend to move more towards the left.

The whole "Liberals when young, FYGM republicans when old" is a total myth.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

According to S4P he's actually winning because they're currently tied in delegates :allears:

Well, that's what the ones that aren't freaking out or going all :emo: anyway.

Bashez
Jul 19, 2004

:10bux:

fsif posted:

I'm genuinely curious about what you think their similarities are. You can call me naive or an idiot or whatever, but I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about and earnestly want to know.

I'll vote for Trump over Clinton in the general because Trump isn't bought. It's a huge part of the appeal between Trump and Sanders is that neither of them are favored by money establishment. The overlap isn't so much in policy but in general populism. To people who feel like the system is rigged against them both Trump and Sanders appear to be on the same side; if that's your single issue.

Trump is also promising a giant make work project in my state in the poorest area; hopefully pumping some stimulus in to the poor minority areas and my vote doesn't matter anyway so I feel sorry for all the liberals in battleground states that feel obligated to vote for Clinton.

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

Korelle posted:

Bwahahahahahahaha

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/09/the-politics-of-american-generations-how-age-affects-attitudes-and-voting-behavior/

quote:

On an individual level, of course, many people’s political views evolve over the course of their lives. But academic research indicates not only that generations have distinct political identities, but that most people’s basic outlooks and orientations are set fairly early on in life. As one famous longitudinal study of Bennington College women put it, “through late childhood and early adolescence, attitudes are relatively malleable…with the potential for dramatic change possible in late adolescence or early adulthood. [B]ut greater stability sets in at some early point, and attitudes tend to be increasingly persistent as people age.”

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

oystertoadfish posted:

~here's a thought~

bernie would get stonewalled by congress, since even in a democratic wave election practically all the new congresspeople would be well to his right, and the almost-inevitable anti-incumbent midterm election would make the second half of his term even worse

you could say the same for hillary, but socialism/leftism/progressivism/whateverism would have a bigger image problem under that scenario than under the scenario where hillary does exactly the same thing

Being a Clinton is a worse image problem than being a socialist to some republicans.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
75% support a ban on Muslims entering the US.

https://twitter.com/shushwalshe/status/701169045937127424

TROIKA CURES GREEK
Jun 30, 2015

by R. Guyovich
Woooooow.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Bashez posted:

I'll vote for Trump over Clinton in the general because Trump isn't bought. It's a huge part of the appeal between Trump and Sanders is that neither of them are favored by money establishment. The overlap isn't so much in policy but in general populism. To people who feel like the system is rigged against them both Trump and Sanders appear to be on the same side; if that's your single issue.

Trump is also promising a giant make work project in my state in the poorest area; hopefully pumping some stimulus in to the poor minority areas and my vote doesn't matter anyway so I feel sorry for all the liberals in battleground states that feel obligated to vote for Clinton.

Trump isn't bought, becuase he has spent the last 30 years being the guy who buys people. I don't see why that is an advantage, to have a guy who directly benefits from this poo poo, rather just being back by those people?

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The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

STAC Goat posted:

I have no doubt that somewhere some rear end in a top hat white dudes got racist.

If you want to deflect it just say they were Young Republicans caucusing for Bernie to gently caress with stuff.

False Flag!

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