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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/21/politics/mike-murphy-jeb-bush-drops-out-right-to-rise/index.html A Real American. 
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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/21/politics/mike-murphy-jeb-bush-drops-out-right-to-rise/index.html  drat! I wish I could make millions of dollars off of months of continued failure! All I've got for my efforts are a bunch of lovely posts on a dying forum!
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The GOP campaign system is grifters all the way down.
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Feb 22, 2016 03:46
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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/21/politics/mike-murphy-jeb-bush-drops-out-right-to-rise/index.html Guess what, Jeb? 
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Feb 22, 2016 03:46
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Shifty Pony posted:The GOP campaign system is grifters all the way down. Have you seen Fox News recently? It's gold bonds and lovely meds every other commercial. Without grifting and scamming, the entire conservative financial system would collapse.
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Feb 22, 2016 03:47
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Have you seen Fox News recently? It's gold bonds and lovely meds every other commercial. Without grifting and scamming, the entire conservative financial system would collapse.
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Feb 22, 2016 04:29
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:
A guy I trained last cycle was pulling 7 a month this cycle. I know of a few who do their own independent consulting and charge 5 a month; and have multiple clients. The catch is you are always an independent contractor, always on the move, and always have to be networking to get clients, and while that's true of any self employment gig the pool of clients is a lot smaller and the competition a lot more cutthroat.
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Feb 22, 2016 04:36
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This is not an Onion article.quote:"That's the way we have to negotiate for our country ... the lights go off, it's better," he said. "We say we want the lights. Oh, it's terrible, we take a big deduction off the rent because the lights are off, but it's actually better. It's the kind of sick thinking we really need for our country. Isn't that right?"
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Feb 22, 2016 04:37
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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/21/politics/mike-murphy-jeb-bush-drops-out-right-to-rise/index.html Didn't Karl Rove walk off with an assload of money after the disaster of 2012 simply because of the on hand cash of the SPACs?
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The amount of money changing hands in politics is so staggeringly absurd that it isn't surprising these plutocrats have no idea what its like to live in the US as a normal person. To them, it's not all that bad here because they are not susceptible to: -medical bankruptcy -random acts of violence -recession, and thus; -poverty -hunger -budgetary constraints -failing infrastructure, so they don't particularly give a gently caress. They only care as much as is absolutely necessary to garner votes. Period.
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Feb 22, 2016 04:44
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LeeMajors posted:The amount of money changing hands in politics is so staggeringly absurd that it isn't surprising these plutocrats have no idea what its like to live in the US as a normal person. Burn them. The guillotine is too swift.
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I have read this four times and I still can't understand it
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Feb 22, 2016 04:48
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LeeMajors posted:The amount of money changing hands in politics is so staggeringly absurd that it isn't surprising these plutocrats have no idea what its like to live in the US as a normal person. And how the gently caress do we get out of this hole? They run everything.
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DeusExMachinima posted:A law forbidding reportage of mass shootings would absolutely save more lives than an AWB (as in, it would save more than loving zero lives). Of course that law shouldn't happen because rights aren't as malleable nor are mass shootings as significant and important as public safety types would like to imagine. Actually rights are very malleable. They only exist because the majority consent to them as something that is worthy of cherishing. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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blue squares posted:I have read this four times and I still can't understand it There's nothing to understand. It would be hilarious if Trump's downfall came as the result of finally becoming too megalomaniacal now that he doesn't have Jeb to act as a foil/punching bag anymore, but we both know there's no such thing as too much megalomania for American politicians anymore.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:It would be hilarious if Trump's downfall came as the result of finally becoming too megalomaniacal now that he doesn't have Jeb to act as a foil/punching bag anymore, but we both know there's no such thing as too much megalomania for American politicians anymore. He's got Clinton now.
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I guess he's arguing that there's an inherent nobility to living in the cold and having all your food rot just to clear out some overhead in the monthly expenses, with an added hint of this giving greater room for negotiation? Makes perfect sense to a billionaire probably, one who doesn't understand how expensive it is to be poor and how some things are non-negotiable Really though it's just the same word salad he's been spewing this whole time. I think he was just throwing poo poo out there to try to spin a protester getting the better of him in his favor
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Feb 22, 2016 04:56
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Combed Thunderclap posted:It would be hilarious if Trump's downfall came as the result of finally becoming too megalomaniacal now that he doesn't have Jeb to act as a foil/punching bag anymore, but we both know there's no such thing as too much megalomania for American politicians anymore. Yeah, I think Skeletor would have a pretty good shot as a Republican governor.
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nerve posted:And how the gently caress do we get out of this hole? They run everything. It's really easy to fall into fatalism, but we're on the verge of a liberal Supreme Court radically altering our interpretations of the Constitution for the first time in American history and four more years of a Democrat trollin' up a storm in the White House, possibly more if the downballot really goes for the Dems in a hyuge way. We're also potentially on the verge of a Republican Congress and White House, though so  (I personally think it's impossible for the Republicans to win because of the simple fact that the economy is kicking rear end in terms of growth and unemployment and Obama hasn't suffered any major foreign policy failures or scandals, among a variety of other things that tend to make people vote the incumbent party out of power, though.)
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:He's got Clinton now. Clinton possesses a basic knowledge of how to punch back, at least, compared to Jeb's limp fists, and I think she'll be able to do so without dignifying Trump with the ego-feeding energy he requires to live. Ratoslov posted:Yeah, I think Skeletor would have a pretty good shot as a Republican governor. I'm thinking...South Dakota or Oklahoma, maybe? Although Texas seems like a good bet. EDIT: Yes, Florida definitely makes the most sense.
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Ratoslov posted:Yeah, I think Skeletor would have a pretty good shot as a Republican governor. He already is. 
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Kilroy posted:Gold bonds or Gold Bond? Yes.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:(I personally think it's impossible for the Republicans to win because of the simple fact that the economy is kicking rear end in terms of growth and unemployment and Obama hasn't suffered any major foreign policy failures or scandals, among a variety of other things that tend to make people vote the incumbent party out of power, though.) Much like how Gore had it in the bag against Bush due to Clinton's years being so good for the US? The Dems absolutely can lose this election and if GOP voters turn out at even half as much higher a rate in the general than they have been in the primaries so far the Dems are going to have a bad day with battleground states.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:He's got Clinton now. Is Clinton Kodos or Kang? e: I misread this. Basically, two megalomaniacs going against each other? It's Kodos versus Kang!
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Evil Fluffy posted:Much like how Gore had it in the bag against Bush due to Clinton's years being so good for the US? Never underestimate the power of "well it's time to give the other side a shot to be fair!"
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Have you seen Fox News recently? It's gold bonds and lovely meds every other commercial. Without grifting and scamming, the entire conservative financial system would collapse. Right. I wasn't joking in my statement. A big problem in the GOP campaign world is that everyone is out for number one and primarily interested in lining their own pockets as rapidly as possible, as well as positioning themselves highly relative to other operatives even if that means hobbling the campaigns by not sharing information or strategy. The Democrats on the other hand have a bit more idealism to harness (and exploit) for cheap labor and infrastructure. One of the often unreported side effects of the current pac funding system is that there are a whole bunch of "fake" pacs which exist to fool people into donating money to them by adopting names very close to the real super pacs. That money then goes right into paying fundraising expenses to a buddy of the leader of the offending super pac, and the email/phone number gets added to a database which the super pac will kindly rent out to anyone willing to give them enough money.
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LeeMajors posted:The amount of money changing hands in politics is so staggeringly absurd that it isn't surprising these plutocrats have no idea what its like to live in the US as a normal person. I've been listening to one candidate (Baron Hill) give his "I'm relating to the common people" story at a few events. It is that he went to buy tickets to the Superbowl and had to pay $3000 per seat for them. I would note that at one of these events at least half the audience had 2 jobs to make ends meet. anyways, here is Obama meeting with a 106 year old woman at the White House https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXvK2_1RJyc
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Evil Fluffy posted:Much like how Gore had it in the bag against Bush due to Clinton's years being so good for the US? "battleground states"
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ComradeCosmobot posted:He already is. That's Lord Voldomort I thought?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:He already is. I quite enjoyed watching State Senators try to make the Florida-FEMA director say the words "climate change" in a hearing. http://www.salon.com/2015/03/23/the...climate_change/
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Clinton possesses a basic knowledge of how to punch back, at least, compared to Jeb's limp fists, and I think she'll be able to do so without dignifying Trump with the ego-feeding energy he requires to live. Also, this is like the only situation where being a woman is an advantage in politics. Ann Richards was ten points behind her rival in Texas - despite his multiple scandals - but won the governorship when he refused to shake her hand in a debate a week before the election. Before he was blatantly disrespectful the race was "Claytie and the lady" - she didn't even have a name. After he shat on her in public while she maintained dignity he became the loser and she became Governor. Bullying bluster simply has a different social connotation aimed at a woman. Rather than making you look strong it makes you look weak. And due to different social expectations of women Clinton can do what Jeb couldn't - be above it and unmoved by it like in the Benghazi commission. When Jeb tried that trump took shots at his masculinity. A "real man" would view these as "fighting words" and Jeb isn't fighting ergo Jeb is unmanly and unworthy of your vote. This got to Jeb and put him on tilt. His distress just emphasized the attack and made him look juvenile and weak. Clinton has no masculinity to defend and can't be baited like that.
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McAlister posted:Also, this is like the only situation where being a woman is an advantage in politics. Ann Richards was ten points behind her rival in Texas - despite his multiple scandals - but won the governorship when he refused to shake her hand in a debate a week before the election. Before he was blatantly disrespectful the race was "Claytie and the lady" - she didn't even have a name. After he shat on her in public while she maintained dignity he became the loser and she became Governor. Ok, this is the first really solid pro-Clinton argument I've seen. Good point. I think the counterpoint though is that Trump is uniquely shameless and can attack Clinton in ways that would be completely unacceptable for other kinds of candidates; what he did to Megyn Kelly will be a bare shadow of politeness compared to the rank misogyny he's going to unleash on Clinton. Maybe that's not a good reason to not support Clinton, though, just like "he'll be subject to racist attacks" wasn't a good reason to oppose Obama (even if, statistically, in hindsight, it looks like Obama did lose about five percentage points on average due to his race, relative to where a white candidate would have been).
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You think all the racism/sexism debate in the Dem Primary was hot talk? Just wait until you get Clinton and Trump on stage. I'll bring the popcorn. Trump has so far been bulletproof in all of his debates. The last one was really telling when he's not afraid to tell off an entire crowd booing at him. He's also insanely good at sensing/pushing people's buttons. I don't think a lot of Jeb's characters flaws would've come to light until Trump just exposed them. Dead Cosmonaut fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:You think all the racism/sexism debate in the Dem Primary was hot talk? Just wait until you get Clinton and Trump on stage. I'll bring the popcorn. I think it'll be a bit different with him vs a democratic candidate and not in a room full of fuckwads.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Never underestimate the power of "well it's time to give the other side a shot to be fair!" I asked about this before, it unlikely to happen this time. Maybe. Just make sure your passport is up to date and your bugout bag and list of US expat countries is ready.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:You think all the racism/sexism debate in the Dem Primary was hot talk? Just wait until you get Clinton and Trump on stage. I'll bring the popcorn. Eh... Trump certainly played a role in doing Jeb in, but it's worth remembering that the whole "I would have/won't say if I would have/would not have gone into Iraq" thing was a month before Trump even announced.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, this is the first really solid pro-Clinton argument I've seen. Good point. I would argue that misogyny will be much harder to wield without risking self-inflicted wounds. Trump has already come under what I would consider semi-successful attack after some of his comments, and I think they could have sunk him in a "normal" campaign where his opponents weren't just miraculously awful. Hell, Jeb could have likely salvaged his campaign earlier on if he had actually physically swung a punch (and connected) at Trump, except Jeb was pathetic in the extreme and would probably have been either beaten up in return or whiffed and started crying on stage. Dogwhistling is a lot harder when over half the audience is the target and harder still when the person across the stage has the balls to call you on it.
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Reminder that Trump is appealing to a minority of a minority. The greater American electorate isn't going to give a pass to rank misogyny. I think assuming that Republicans couldn't sink Trump is wrong. I think they never tried because they assumed it would go away on its own and it clearly hasn't. The Democrats -- regardless of the nominee -- won't make that miscalculation.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Reminder that Trump is appealing to a minority of a minority. The greater American electorate isn't going to give a pass to rank misogyny. A minority of a minority? He's consistently winning a plurality of primary elections at 34%.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:A minority of a minority? He's consistently winning a plurality of primary elections at 34%. In other words, you better hope Bloomberg doesn't join the race.
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