TheQat posted:

if your take is "he's made decisions to make his brand popular and wealthy" and his decisions have actually resulted in less wealth than just investing the money and sitting on it, i see that as relevant. sorry about your broken brains.

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the brand is separate from my point. he is quite well-known but it's widely infamy (60% negative nationwide, 16% approval among republicans, 70% disapproval among democrats) rather than any positive perception. lots of people are widely infamous, that doesn't mean they made good decisions getting there

The Kingfish posted:

It's an obvious narrative that voters will identify with. Trump chose hard work instead of taking the easy way out. His opposition is trying to smear him for it despite his fantastic success.

The Kingfish posted:

It's an obvious narrative that voters will identify with. Trump chose hard work instead of taking the easy way out. His opposition is trying to smear him for it despite his fantastic success.

T r a v i s posted:

Liberals, please feel free to comment on any of these things, or keep repeating yourselves.

Coylter posted:

Wasn't he born in a fantastically rich and connected family?

Talmonis posted:

The man hasn't had a day of hard work in comparison to anyone from the working class.

Majorian posted:

He has no policy positions, only platitudes and racism.

Majorian posted:

The funniest one to me is the "easing tensions with Russia" one. I kind of find it hard to believe that he'd navigate the Ukraine fiasco all that well. Or the increasingly hostile relationship between Moscow and Turkey.

The Kingfish posted:

That's the point. He realizes that he could have chosen to rest on his father's laurels, but he chose to work hard instead.

T r a v i s posted:

Walls don't stop people, illegal immigrants are great for the economy, Muslim is a race, and the candidate leading the GOP primary by a massive margin is hated by everybody.

The Kingfish posted:

That's just your opinion, man. Trump already has the highest support among blue collar workers since FDR, and working class white collar workers probably think of their jobs as hard work.

The Kingfish posted:

He's gonna ease tensions with Russia by letting Putin have east Ukraine and stopping NATO expansion. Keeping Moscow and Turkey pissed at each other is good for America because it lets us support the YPG in Syria without the danger of Turkey dropping out of NATO for Russia.

Talmonis posted:

I'm aware he has them eating out of his hand. They're never going to realize that this gaping rear end in a top hat they believe in for some reason, has never seen an ounce of hard times or struggle like they have. He will never understand what it's like to have to scramble to pay bills, skimp on medical care or clothes budgets. They've been sold a bill of goods about the Holy Job Creators getting where they are by working harder than they, and that's utterly false.

Top Bunk Wanker posted:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

T r a v i s posted:

Top Bunk Wanker posted:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

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We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own.

Brannock posted:

Good lord why does this dumb take keep popping up. I remember you Qat, you're smarter than that.


But yeah! If he just shoved everything in an index fund and sat patiently for decades like a monk, he'd be slightly richer today!

Talmonis posted:

I'm aware he has them eating out of his hand. They're never going to realize that this gaping rear end in a top hat they believe in for some reason, has never seen an ounce of hard times or struggle like they have. He will never understand what it's like to have to scramble to pay bills, skimp on medical care or clothes budgets. They've been sold a bill of goods about the Holy Job Creators getting where they are by working harder than they, and that's utterly false.

Majorian posted:

Why do you think this is what he will do?

ScrubLeague posted:

I'm not sure I've got it in me to vote for a billionaire who thinks a black person can't be president, Mexicans are rapists, and Muslims shouldn't be allowed in America. The president is supposed to be the president of the whole country, not just the rich whites. I want to vote for someone who provides the best possibility for the most people, Trump's entire campaign has been about limiting America to those who are already in a position to benefit from it, not the people who are currently underserved by it.

Majorian posted:

lol:


Trump's idiot manchild voters literally believe this.

The Kingfish posted:

He says that he is good friends with Putin, and its the sort of obvious "out of the box" solution that someone who isn't overly interested in masturbatory realpolitik might employ.

T r a v i s posted:

Yeah, a lot of European countries do that too.

Majorian posted:

Actually, the realpolitik solution would be to give Eastern Ukraine to Russia in exchange for Russia's cooperation on other issues. But that's not the solution Trump will employ, because it's one that his own party will never support. I don't buy for a second that Trump is nuanced enough of a thinker to back this solution, either. For all his talk about being against the Iraq War, he's shown no sign that he's any less neoconservative than the rest of the field of GOP idiots.

Zas posted:

Serious question for the 'Trump left' - how is he going to do accomplish his protectionism/no tax shelters/anti-globalization agenda? To me this seems even less realistic than universal healthcare, considering it's not only outside of every political mainstream in this country, but also the entire first world?

Zas posted:

Serious question for the 'Trump left' - how is he going to do accomplish his protectionism/no tax shelters/anti-globalization agenda? To me this seems even less realistic than universal healthcare, considering it's not only outside of every political mainstream in this country, but also the entire first world?

The Kingfish posted:

He doesn't need his party's support to do poo poo w/r/t foreign policy unless they pass a bill he can't veto.

Majorian posted:

Illegal immigration is a net boon to the American economy. California's agricultural sector would collapse without migrant workers.

Zas posted:

Serious question for the 'Trump left' - how is he going to do accomplish his protectionism/no tax shelters/anti-globalization agenda? To me this seems even less realistic than universal healthcare, considering it's not only outside of every political mainstream in this country, but also the entire first world?

The Kingfish posted:

Executive orders and a veto for TPP, and it is becoming consistently more mainstream and bipartisan.

e: I don't trust Hillary to veto TPP and neither should you.

Majorian posted:

Hmmmm yes, nothing over the past eight years has suggested that Congress can hamper a president's foreign policy.

Majorian posted:

You should probably trust Trump even less on this, given that letting it pass would be very much in his economic interests.

Unless you're assuming that he's more motivated by principle than by what benefits him economically, and if so, holy God.

Majorian posted:

Hmmmm yes, nothing over the past eight years has suggested that Congress can hamper a president's foreign policy. Also the U.S. would probably be risking losing its Eastern European NATO allies by doing this, so no, it's not going to happen. Also Trump's a machismo-motivated egotistical idiot, so this would not be what he would do anyway.

Majorian posted:

Hmmmm yes, nothing over the past eight years has suggested that Congress can hamper a president's foreign policy. Also the U.S. would probably be risking losing its Eastern European NATO allies by doing this, so no, it's not going to happen. Also Trump's a machismo-motivated egotistical idiot, so this would not be what he would do anyway.

The Saurus posted:

All of the studies that say this cite decades old studies that cite older decades old studies and only refger to immigration in general rather than illegal immigration. Find me a study that says otherwise and maybe I'll buy it.

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Decreasing the size of the unauthorized labor force would reduce the aggregate
level of economic production and slightly lower the income that accrues
to complementary, U.S.-owned factors of production, such as capital and
skilled labor. The lost income would be only partially offset by higher real
wages for U.S.-born and foreign-born, permanent resident workers employed
as hired farm laborers or in other lower paying occupations where unauthorized
workers were formerly more prevalent. In the long run, overall gross
national product accruing to the U.S.-born and to foreign-born, permanent
residents would fall by about 1 percent, compared with the base forecast.

Majorian posted:

Okay:

T r a v i s posted:

What does 'machismo-motivated' mean?

The Kingfish posted:

" higher real wages for U.S.-born and foreign-born, permanent resident workers employed
as hired farm laborers or in other lower paying occupations where unauthorized
workers were formerly more prevalent."

The Kingfish posted:

What are you referring to specifically? I honestly can't think of anything.

The Saurus posted:

it's tumblr-bullshit like "toxic masculinity". they dislike men who still act like men instead of self-flagellating for their crime of privilege

Majorian posted:

Okay:

Majorian posted:

Illegal immigration is a net boon to the American economy. California's agricultural sector would collapse without migrant workers.