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TheQat posted:if your take is "he's made decisions to make his brand popular and wealthy" and his decisions have actually resulted in less wealth than just investing the money and sitting on it, i see that as relevant. sorry about your broken brains. Oh no he could've had Y amount of private jets instead of X amount of private jets pity the poor billionaire quote:the brand is separate from my point. he is quite well-known but it's widely infamy (60% negative nationwide, 16% approval among republicans, 70% disapproval among democrats) rather than any positive perception. lots of people are widely infamous, that doesn't mean they made good decisions getting there "I welcome their hatred." -President Donald Trump at his inauguration
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The Kingfish posted:It's an obvious narrative that voters will identify with. Trump chose hard work instead of taking the easy way out. His opposition is trying to smear him for it despite his fantastic success. The man hasn't had a day of hard work in comparison to anyone from the working class. Yeah, it might work on those idiots that worship his every statement already, but most people would be offended that he even compared his pampered poo poo to hard work.
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The Kingfish posted:It's an obvious narrative that voters will identify with. Trump chose hard work instead of taking the easy way out. His opposition is trying to smear him for it despite his fantastic success. Wasn't he born in a fantastically rich and connected family? As much as Trump policies have a modicum of common sense to them i find it unbelievable how much his supporters are willing to drink his cool aid while attacking bernie supporters who are doing the same thing. The cognitive dissonance is incredible. Coylter has issued a correction as of 20:33 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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T r a v i s posted:Liberals, please feel free to comment on any of these things, or keep repeating yourselves. The funniest one to me is the "easing tensions with Russia" one. I kind of find it hard to believe that he'd navigate the Ukraine fiasco all that well. Or the increasingly hostile relationship between Moscow and Turkey.
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Coylter posted:Wasn't he born in a fantastically rich and connected family? That's the point. He realizes that he could have chosen to rest on his father's laurels, but he chose to work hard instead. Talmonis posted:The man hasn't had a day of hard work in comparison to anyone from the working class. That's just your opinion, man. Trump already has the highest support among blue collar workers since FDR, and working class white collar workers probably think of their jobs as hard work.
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Majorian posted:He has no policy positions, only platitudes and racism. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
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Majorian posted:The funniest one to me is the "easing tensions with Russia" one. I kind of find it hard to believe that he'd navigate the Ukraine fiasco all that well. Or the increasingly hostile relationship between Moscow and Turkey. He's gonna ease tensions with Russia by letting Putin have east Ukraine and stopping NATO expansion. Keeping Moscow and Turkey pissed at each other is good for America because it lets us support the YPG in Syria without the danger of Turkey dropping out of NATO for Russia.
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Walls don't stop people, illegal immigrants are great for the economy, Muslim is a race, and the candidate leading the GOP primary by a massive margin is hated by everybody.
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The Kingfish posted:That's the point. He realizes that he could have chosen to rest on his father's laurels, but he chose to work hard instead. Point taken. I think the left is making a huge mistake by attacking trump on his perceived "bigotry" instead of his actual policy ideas. Trump is pulling quite an incredible trick in which he's moving the republican party to the left WHILE keeping the tea party people on his side. I have no idea how that can even work.
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T r a v i s posted:Walls don't stop people, illegal immigrants are great for the economy, Muslim is a race, and the candidate leading the GOP primary by a massive margin is hated by everybody. im glad you have come around the The Correct Opinions Rubio 2016
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The Kingfish posted:
I'm aware he has them eating out of his hand. They're never going to realize that this gaping rear end in a top hat they believe in for some reason, has never seen an ounce of hard times or struggle like they have. He will never understand what it's like to have to scramble to pay bills, skimp on medical care or clothes budgets. They've been sold a bill of goods about the Holy Job Creators getting where they are by working harder than they, and that's utterly false.
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The Kingfish posted:He's gonna ease tensions with Russia by letting Putin have east Ukraine and stopping NATO expansion. Keeping Moscow and Turkey pissed at each other is good for America because it lets us support the YPG in Syria without the danger of Turkey dropping out of NATO for Russia. Why do you think this is what he will do?
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Talmonis posted:I'm aware he has them eating out of his hand. They're never going to realize that this gaping rear end in a top hat they believe in for some reason, has never seen an ounce of hard times or struggle like they have. He will never understand what it's like to have to scramble to pay bills, skimp on medical care or clothes budgets. They've been sold a bill of goods about the Holy Job Creators getting where they are by working harder than they, and that's utterly false.
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This isn't a response to that statement. I'm aware of his stated positions.
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lol: quote:We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. Trump's idiot manchild voters literally believe this.
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Brannock posted:Good lord why does this dumb take keep popping up. I remember you Qat, you're smarter than that. The comically retarded index fund catchphrase is only remotely true if you do the math assuming that Trump started with 200 million in 1970. If you started with 1 million dollars in 1970, like Trump did (we'll even pretend that it wasn't a loan that had to be paid back with interest), then assuming you invested it in the S&P 500 index, that 1 million would be worth about 75 million as of 2013. Tack on the extra 200 million inheritance he got in 1999 and put every cent of that into the S&P 500 and it works out to about half a billion dollars today. Nobody who has said "just invest in index funds" will actually read this post.
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Talmonis posted:I'm aware he has them eating out of his hand. They're never going to realize that this gaping rear end in a top hat they believe in for some reason, has never seen an ounce of hard times or struggle like they have. He will never understand what it's like to have to scramble to pay bills, skimp on medical care or clothes budgets. They've been sold a bill of goods about the Holy Job Creators getting where they are by working harder than they, and that's utterly false. No presidential candidate has had to work as hard as they have and they all know that. They also know that this doesn't mean that Trump hasn't worked hard.
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Majorian posted:Why do you think this is what he will do? He says that he is good friends with Putin, and its the sort of obvious "out of the box" solution that someone who isn't overly interested in masturbatory realpolitik might employ. e: as for turkey: he could easily just ignore it and let the DOS give him suggestions.
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ScrubLeague posted:I'm not sure I've got it in me to vote for a billionaire who thinks a black person can't be president, Mexicans are rapists, and Muslims shouldn't be allowed in America. The president is supposed to be the president of the whole country, not just the rich whites. I want to vote for someone who provides the best possibility for the most people, Trump's entire campaign has been about limiting America to those who are already in a position to benefit from it, not the people who are currently underserved by it. He didn't say that Mexicans were rapists, he said that some illegal immigrants were - He specifically said "Mexico has great people but they aren't sending their best" 80 PERCENT of Central American women are raped en route to the United States
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Majorian posted:lol: Yeah, a lot of European countries do that too.
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The Kingfish posted:He says that he is good friends with Putin, and its the sort of obvious "out of the box" solution that someone who isn't overly interested in masturbatory realpolitik might employ. Actually, the realpolitik solution would be to give Eastern Ukraine to Russia in exchange for Russia's cooperation on other issues. But that's not the solution Trump will employ, because it's one that his own party will never support. I don't buy for a second that Trump is nuanced enough of a thinker to back this solution, either. For all his talk about being against the Iraq War, he's shown no sign that he's any less neoconservative than the rest of the field of GOP idiots. T r a v i s posted:Yeah, a lot of European countries do that too. Illegal immigration is a net boon to the American economy. California's agricultural sector would collapse without migrant workers.
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Serious question for the 'Trump left' - how is he going to do accomplish his protectionism/no tax shelters/anti-globalization agenda? To me this seems even less realistic than universal healthcare, considering it's not only outside of every political mainstream in this country, but also the entire first world?
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Majorian posted:Actually, the realpolitik solution would be to give Eastern Ukraine to Russia in exchange for Russia's cooperation on other issues. But that's not the solution Trump will employ, because it's one that his own party will never support. I don't buy for a second that Trump is nuanced enough of a thinker to back this solution, either. For all his talk about being against the Iraq War, he's shown no sign that he's any less neoconservative than the rest of the field of GOP idiots. He doesn't need his party's support to do poo poo w/r/t foreign policy unless they pass a bill he can't veto.
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Zas posted:Serious question for the 'Trump left' - how is he going to do accomplish his protectionism/no tax shelters/anti-globalization agenda? To me this seems even less realistic than universal healthcare, considering it's not only outside of every political mainstream in this country, but also the entire first world? The USA is exceptional. Make America great again.
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Zas posted:Serious question for the 'Trump left' - how is he going to do accomplish his protectionism/no tax shelters/anti-globalization agenda? To me this seems even less realistic than universal healthcare, considering it's not only outside of every political mainstream in this country, but also the entire first world? Executive orders and a veto for TPP, and it is becoming consistently more mainstream and bipartisan. e: I don't trust Hillary to veto TPP and neither should you. The Kingfish has issued a correction as of 21:14 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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The Kingfish posted:He doesn't need his party's support to do poo poo w/r/t foreign policy unless they pass a bill he can't veto. Hmmmm yes, nothing over the past eight years has suggested that Congress can hamper a president's foreign policy. Also the U.S. would probably be risking losing its Eastern European NATO allies by doing this, so no, it's not going to happen. Also Trump's a machismo-motivated egotistical idiot, so this would not be what he would do anyway.
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Universal Healthcare is more likely to pass through Trump than any other candidate. He can spin it in a way that retard conservatives will want it and the DNC left could support it over moderate opposition.
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Majorian posted:Illegal immigration is a net boon to the American economy. California's agricultural sector would collapse without migrant workers. All of the studies that say this cite decades old studies that cite older decades old studies and only refger to immigration in general rather than illegal immigration. Find me a study that says otherwise and maybe I'll buy it. And I want to know that it benefits the working and middle class, not just the "economy". All of the new growth over the last few decades has gone to the top 1% so who gives a poo poo if it's good for some nebulous "the economy" if that benefit doesn't go to the american people instead of oligarchs Zas posted:Serious question for the 'Trump left' - how is he going to do accomplish his protectionism/no tax shelters/anti-globalization agenda? To me this seems even less realistic than universal healthcare, considering it's not only outside of every political mainstream in this country, but also the entire first world? The mere fact that he's talking about wanting to solve it means that he's an improvement over Hillary Clinton, who is owned by the exact people who benefit from all that terrible crap and won't lift a finger.
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The Kingfish posted:Executive orders and a veto for TPP, and it is becoming consistently more mainstream and bipartisan. You should probably trust Trump even less on this, given that letting it pass would be very much in his economic interests. Unless you're assuming that he's more motivated by principle than by what benefits him economically, and if so, holy God.
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Majorian posted:Hmmmm yes, nothing over the past eight years has suggested that Congress can hamper a president's foreign policy. What are you referring to specifically? I honestly can't think of anything. E: Congress has tried to block Obama from signing the Iran treaty but they can't. The Kingfish has issued a correction as of 21:20 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Majorian posted:You should probably trust Trump even less on this, given that letting it pass would be very much in his economic interests. I think he wants people to like him.
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Majorian posted:Hmmmm yes, nothing over the past eight years has suggested that Congress can hamper a president's foreign policy. Also the U.S. would probably be risking losing its Eastern European NATO allies by doing this, so no, it's not going to happen. Also Trump's a machismo-motivated egotistical idiot, so this would not be what he would do anyway. What does 'machismo-motivated' mean?
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Majorian posted:Hmmmm yes, nothing over the past eight years has suggested that Congress can hamper a president's foreign policy. Also the U.S. would probably be risking losing its Eastern European NATO allies by doing this, so no, it's not going to happen. Also Trump's a machismo-motivated egotistical idiot, so this would not be what he would do anyway. This brings up another of Trump's great points - why are we being the policeman of the world for all these countries for free. They either pa us, or they lose american protection. So I don't think he'll let our eastern european nato "allies" determine US foreign policy
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The Saurus posted:All of the studies that say this cite decades old studies that cite older decades old studies and only refger to immigration in general rather than illegal immigration. Find me a study that says otherwise and maybe I'll buy it. Okay: quote:Decreasing the size of the unauthorized labor force would reduce the aggregate
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" higher real wages for U.S.-born and foreign-born, permanent resident workers employed as hired farm laborers or in other lower paying occupations where unauthorized workers were formerly more prevalent."
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how much gdp do we gain with the wall and its staffing and maintenance answer: huge%
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T r a v i s posted:What does 'machismo-motivated' mean? it's tumblr-bullshit like "toxic masculinity". they dislike men who still act like men instead of self-flagellating for their crime of privilege
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The Kingfish posted:" higher real wages for U.S.-born and foreign-born, permanent resident workers employed It would raise wages for one sector of workers, but not offset the overall economic hit the U.S. economy would take. Did you not even read the section I quoted? (you don't have to answer that, I know you didn't) The Kingfish posted:What are you referring to specifically? I honestly can't think of anything. Climate change is a pretty big one. The Saurus posted:it's tumblr-bullshit like "toxic masculinity". they dislike men who still act like men instead of self-flagellating for their crime of privilege Oh this is spectacular.
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Nope It makes one big bubble for "residents" and then warns about a 1% drop in "overall GNP" for that bubble
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Majorian posted:Illegal immigration is a net boon to the American economy. California's agricultural sector would collapse without migrant workers. So we need to never offer amnesty and instead create a perpetual caste of second-class migrant workers, got it, or the American economy and CA agricultural sector will collapse. you know thats cruel. we should recognize their human rights, and give them a vote, but not a full vote, lets just say 3/5ths of a vote to be fair. "More Than Half, More Than Fair" can be the slogan for the campaign, you're welcome to that one, its free
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