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Mr Hootington posted:Yeah this is some of the reason why I think we are teetering on a cliff. Enough people are getting wiped into a very dangerous type of frothing anger that the right spark could make the situation explode. I am terrified at what an organized terror attack in the US would do to the country and to the world in the current climate.
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Evil Fluffy posted:No because a Trump pick would be so pro-business that even Roberts would be freaked out. But the right-wing establishment is concerned that Trump might not actually be as conservative as he claims and that he might appoint someone not conservative enough
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Feb 26, 2016 21:36
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Mr Hootington posted:Even if either dropped out and endorsed the other guy, it does not mean their support will follow. Yeah - some 20-30% of everyone else's support will migrate over to Trump. Look at the head-to-head polling - he's not always winning, but he's always competitive. Rubio or Cruz would need *all* the other candidate to drop out and then he'd have a shot at divvying things up with enough winner-take-all states that he could pull ahead, but nobody's dropping out until after Super Tuesday at the earliest - Kasich won't drop out until after OH, Cruz may stay in a long time if he wins TX, and Carson won't drop until his advisors have grifted as many millions as they can grab.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:37
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Cythereal posted:I am terrified at what an organized terror attack in the US would do to the country and to the world in the current climate. There have been several in the last year, just all by white people Eschers Basement posted:To stop Trump, Rubio or Cruz needs to beat him in half the states up from grabs. There are maybe four states total where Trump isn't leading. Barring suddenly dying, Trump is going to be the nominee now.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:43
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computer parts posted:So the media is making you afraid and causing you to tune in more? That's very strange. No my actual going to events, meeting people, and talking to them has helped me form this thought.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:43
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Cythereal posted:I am terrified at what an organized terror attack in the US would do to the country and to the world in the current climate. Even if Trump won the presidency it wouldn't be as apocalyptic as you're thinking. Recall that the US government is set up in such a way that the whole thing can't come crashing down in the span of one election hijacked by demagogues. People either loathe this fact or love it depending on who is being blocked. Absolute worst case scenario we have the Bush years again, which were disasters but didn't cause an outbreak of global fascism
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That babies face really says it all. Look at the pure terror and confusion.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:46
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Rhesus Pieces posted:It seems almost certain that someone's going to get severely injured or killed at a Trump rally sooner or later. He's repeatedly called for violence against protesters, and now he's openly advocating suing the press purely to stop them from publishing negative stories about him. Not actual libelous or slanderous stories mind you, just negative stories. And he just advocated for a strong, politically active "Christian lobby" that fully erases any remaining separation between church and state. #Trumpdeathrally is going to be either very funny, or very terrifying.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:47
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Fojar38 posted:Even if Trump won the presidency it wouldn't be as apocalyptic as you're thinking. Recall that the US government is set up in such a way that the whole thing can't come crashing down in the span of one election hijacked by demagogues. People either loathe this fact or love it depending on who is being blocked. Nah, they just caused a global financial crash and a botched war in the middle east which in turn created a huge refugee crisis which is currently causing an outbreak of global fascism
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Fojar38 posted:Even if Trump won the presidency it wouldn't be as apocalyptic as you're thinking. Recall that the US government is set up in such a way that the whole thing can't come crashing down in the span of one election hijacked by demagogues. People either loathe this fact or love it depending on who is being blocked. This would be true if the other two branches of government weren't already stacked with like-minded non-demagogues. With a 5-4 (or 6-3) conservative court and Republicans firmly retaining control of the Senate, it's going to be hard for Trump not to get his way.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:47
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Fojar38 posted:But the right-wing establishment is concerned that Trump might not actually be as conservative as he claims and that he might appoint someone not conservative enough No, they're terrified that they can't control him. Reagan, for as much as he's given blow jobs by the establishment today still at the end of the day pushed as much of their corporatist agenda through as he could without expecting much in return. Trump will demand things... and they're terrified they don't know just how much he'll demand.
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Feldegast42 posted:Nah, they just caused a global financial crash and a botched war in the middle east which in turn created a huge refugee crisis which is currently causing an outbreak of global fascism and people want it all to happen again
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I have to admit I'm really fascinated to see what general election Trump would be like. I'm afraid he's actually going to appear far more sane and appealing, and it will win over a lot of moderates and independents.
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Yup! (this train was only ever going straight to hell) Haley: I'll support Trump if it comes to that
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ComradeCosmobot posted:This would be true if the other two branches of government weren't already stacked with like-minded non-demagogues. With a 5-4 (or 6-3) conservative court and Republicans firmly retaining control of the Senate, it's going to be hard for Trump not to get his way. But it's really apparent at this point that Trump and the GOP don't actually get along very well. I doubt that every Republican in Congress will be an eager supplicant, and the Democrats have cards they can play even in a minority position that can force compromises.
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theblackw0lf posted:I have to admit I'm really fascinated to see what general election Trump would be like. Good thing there aren't any moderates or independents left then, since the vast majority of those that claim they still are are really just republicans.
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Feldegast42 posted:Nah, they just caused a global financial crash and a botched war in the middle east which in turn created a huge refugee crisis which is currently causing an outbreak of global fascism If you're referring to the 2008 recession, that was a combination of Greenspan, Clinton, and GWB. And the botched war in the middle east did not in any way lead to the SYRIAN refugee crisis. In fact you can place more blame for that on Obama and his red-line nonsense and lack of willingness to smother this civil war in its crib.
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theblackw0lf posted:I have to admit I'm really fascinated to see what general election Trump would be like. It's too late for that, every time he tries to pivot to the center Hillary can throw one of his conga-line of extremist remarks during the primary back at him. This is the same trap that killed McCain and Romney.
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Except that Trump has now proven you don't have to care about those attacks. You are only vulnerable to them if you react by changing your approach.Fojar38 posted:But it's really apparent at this point that Trump and the GOP don't actually get along very well. I doubt that every Republican in Congress will be an eager supplicant, and the Democrats have cards they can play even in a minority position that can force compromises. Watch more and more republicans who "don't get along well" with Trump magically start to love him in the next week.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:54
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Yup! (this train was only ever going straight to hell) Trumps going to tell her to go gently caress herself.
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SedanChair posted:Watch more and more republicans who "don't get along well" with Trump magically start to love him in the next week. Magically start to tell everyone they love him between bouts of despair-ridden Tommy Wiseau-style room trashing in their private offices
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SedanChair posted:Except that Trump has now proven you don't have to care about those attacks. You are only vulnerable to them if you react by changing your approach. But Trump is going to have to change his approach in the general election. Winning the GOP primaries is not the same as winning the general election.
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zoux posted:Trumps going to tell her to go gently caress herself. Of course he will. It will cause another jump in the polls for him.
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Go look at the front pages of CNN, Fox and MSNBC if you want an idea of just how much of a masterstroke this was. Rubio's people have got to be reeling, they just had the rug yanked. Things were looking so good for them this morning.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:03
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Fojar38 posted:But Trump is going to have to change his approach in the general election. Winning the GOP primaries is not the same as winning the general election. Yeah this is conventional wisdom. Which has been wrong this entire cycle. We are in the blind here on how the nomination and general election will shake out.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:03
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Fojar38 posted:But Trump is going to have to change his approach in the general election. Winning the GOP primaries is not the same as winning the general election. Why? Tell me why.
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I guess I'm just not convinced that Trump can defy the laws of political gravity all the way to November. It was no secret before the primaries that the Republican party was a mess and people have been predicting a reckoning since 2008, I'm just not sure if you can apply that to the entire American electorate.SedanChair posted:Why? Tell me why. Because I don't think that Trump actually represents the views of most Americans? People who aren't already registered Republicans haven't really gotten a say yet.
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Everblight posted:There have been several in the last year, just all by white people hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha pundits admitting they're wrong hahahahahahahahahahah hahahahahah whew Joe already admitted defeat in the Trump thread in YCS. Come join us. We have such sights to show you.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:09
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Someone math out what proportion of the general electorate supports Trump based on polling and primary results. It can't be more than about 15%.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:09
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Someone math out what proportion of the general electorate supports Trump based on polling and primary results. It can't be more than about 15%.
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Bullfrog posted:edit: maybe I'm just a humorless gently caress but none of this is very funny Fojar38 posted:Absolute worst case scenario we have the Bush years again, which were disasters but didn't cause an outbreak of global fascism If we had a carbon copy of George W. Bush for another eight years, I'm not convinced the country would make it. If we have Trump for just four years, I'm not convinced the world will make it. Ron Jeremy posted:This is conservative comedy on the level of the daily show.
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Fojar38 posted:Because I don't think that Trump actually represents the views of most Americans? People who aren't already registered Republicans haven't really gotten a say yet. Then for the rest of us, pray. Pray that you're right. That when the American people go into the voting booth, alone and unjudged by their peers, that the inner xenophobe and inner racist don't say "Aren't you tired of being ashamed?"
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The Bush comparison was imperfect as well though because I sincerely don't believe that a Trump Administration would have gone to war in Iraq. Almost everything he has said about foreign policy has essentially been neo-isolationist, which would be disastrous for it's own reasons but definitely not Bush-like.
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Fojar38 posted:The Bush comparison was imperfect as well though because I sincerely don't believe that a Trump Administration would have gone to war in Iraq. Almost everything he has said about foreign policy has essentially been neo-isolationist, which would be disastrous for it's own reasons but definitely not Bush-like. Why go to Iraq when Mexico is just south of the boarder?
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Fojar38 posted:The Bush comparison was imperfect as well though because I sincerely don't believe that a Trump Administration would have gone to war in Iraq. Almost everything he has said about foreign policy has essentially been neo-isolationist, which would be disastrous for it's own reasons but definitely not Bush-like. I don't believe he wouldn't go to war over stupid(er) reasons. He is an incredibly vain man whose entire life revolves around proving to himself and everyone else that he's the greatest guy in the room.
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Fojar38 posted:Because I don't think that Trump actually represents the views of most Americans? People who aren't already registered Republicans haven't really gotten a say yet. What don't you think they agree with? Racism? Xenophobia? Acting tough? Vague plans to make things better? I wouldn't feel comfortable saying that a majority of Americans couldn't end up agreeing with all of that. And that's even assuming that the economy doesn't worsen, or that there are no more terror attacks between now and November. We need to accept that all our knowledge is useless.
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If the GOP and Trump are at such odds, and they're technically a private institution can't they just say "Stuff the primaries. Cruz/Rubio is going to be our pick regardless of what the polls say."
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:If the GOP and Trump are at such odds, and they're technically a private institution can't they just say "Stuff the primaries. Cruz/Rubio is going to be our pick regardless of what the polls say." They could, sure. And then Trump runs third party and completely fucks them over.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:If the GOP and Trump are at such odds, and they're technically a private institution can't they just say "Stuff the primaries. Cruz/Rubio is going to be our pick regardless of what the polls say." This is what the Democrats did in 1968. It did not go well.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:If the GOP and Trump are at such odds, and they're technically a private institution can't they just say "Stuff the primaries. Cruz/Rubio is going to be our pick regardless of what the polls say." Absolutely. The problem with that though is that Trump will absolutely run third party which will completely demolish the support the GOP has enjoyed for 160 years as the other major political party.
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