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Scruffpuff posted:We got that word from Ben himself? Well that's a relief. I'll give them this one. if there's anyone we can trust, it's Ben - you know he's a developer, after all
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:SURPRISE! People put far too much faith in jpegs. Anyway, time for some medium-effort F12 
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Feb 26, 2016 23:33
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Galarox posted:I am many many pages back, but had to finish this before catching up. Thanks to whoever suggested this, can't remember who it was. Anyways... This is very good, there's just one problem with it - Sandi is pulling along with everyone else. In reality she'd be standing nearby whipping everyone along and laughing like a maniac.
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Feb 26, 2016 23:34
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Guys, I'm so excited! I just got an exclusive offer from RSI in my email! CHECK THIS OUT:quote:We would like to invite you to visit your authorized Origin 300i dealer today, where we are offering a limited-time 5,000 UEC ($5 USD) rebate to any pilot trading in an Aurora spacecraft towards the purchase of an Origin 300i. Details for applying your discount can be found at the end of this transmission. So if I'm reading this correctly, I can convert one imaginary ship into a completely different imaginary ship by handing CIG only $50! Which essentially turns a $45 mistake into a $95 mistake, and all I have to do is use the special offer code in my email. It's not every day you can spend $95 to get $55 worth of goods - I'm jumping on this offer right away! Edit: I have not calculated the credits for melting the Aurora, because  Edit edit: OK so apparently you get the $45 back, then you get $5 off the 300i, so you're actually spending an additional $5 only. So if this game were real, not a bad overall deal I suppose. So I guess instead of going for the big dollars with this offer, they're focusing on the likely obscene number of normal mini-spergs who donated $45 years ago and are trying to milk an extra $5 out of each of them. For CIG, it's money above all else. Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Feb 26, 2016 |
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Feb 26, 2016 23:35
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Jason Sextro posted:if there's anyone we can trust, it's Ben - you know he's a developer, after all 
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 Effort postG0rf analyze this tia Start at 29:00 (http://www.twitch.tv/cigcommunity/v/50918221)  : Uh, Kirk Tomei in this week's ‘Ten for the Developers’ uh- revealed that the ship had- has morphed from a two-seater to a one-seater. : Yes.: We've had some discussions.: We've had some big discussions on the forums right now. Um, and we've looked into why that happened and how to make it not happen again. Um, basically (and this is- this is what we’ve figured out in the last 24 hours) uh, several months ago, a tech producer- I- I'm- not going to name any names because I’m not a jerk uh..: Justin Chambers: Yeah, it was all Justin Chamber's fault. : Wait, what?: No, no.: No, a- a - a - tech producer looked at the Xi'an Scout and said- you- you've all seen the earlier concept model with the two seats. One of our tech producers up(intelligible) "Well this won't work because you can't have a ship where one person... is blocked in. Uh- Th-This is a problem with the Gladius right now and they're refactoring some of it due-: Gladiator.: Glad- Glad-i-A-tor. Gladiator. I get them mixed up because their made (unintelligible): I don't know why we picked suh- two names so close to each other. : I don’t know either.: Continue with your story.: Um... so, um...: Can't have one person blocked in.: Essentially, it was- it was a design “no-no” to have one person blocked in.... and their response was "Ok, remove the extra seat." It- it didn't have a function or anything at that point.: Yeah, we hadn't come up with a function for it.: Uh... where the process fell down is that was not really communicated. It was put into our internal confluence, which is what went to the uh... tech set up team, but it did not propagate to design or community. So, um... that's how that happened. It's kind of like when uh... you remember that probe that NASA sent that was- the Mars probe where they mixed up miles and kilometers, so...: Mmm-hmm: It's was uh... an honest mistake but unfortunate... um- so, we're going to look at a way to have a uh- second seat, it's not something we can necessarily promise, just because it is still a tech blocker and because it will be more work that’s unscheduled. But, uh…: Yeah… when we found out, it was very soon just before you guys found out. It was the day we were filming 'Ten for the Developers' and that’s why Kirk leads off with it in the episode. Even though that’s not what the question’s about. As soon as we figured out we wanted to get that information out there and so… you know… I don’t have anything else to add.: No, no, no- I-I-I- told them on the forums we would figure out what happened and that is exactly what happened so uh…: Yep…
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Feb 26, 2016 23:41
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Jason Sextro posted:if there's anyone we can trust, it's Ben - you know he's a developer, after all He's successfully developing diabetes and glaucoma, we can't expect him to do everything at once.
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Feb 26, 2016 23:41
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Jason Sextro posted:if there's anyone we can trust, it's Ben - you know he's a developer, after all Not just "a" developer either - he's the one and only Master of Ships
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Reading it over and over it just sounds more and more ridiculous... Some guy just decides to make a massive change and tells nobody... models it, debugs it, and sends it down the pipeline and no one catches it. Can you imagine any other company doing that? Also lol @ no function for the seat... I saw a ton of functions listed on the forums. Also, just add another door on the other side so one person isn't blocked in... problem solved. How can you not think of that solution? Oh yeah, they are lying. ZenMaster fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Feb 26, 2016 |
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Feb 26, 2016 23:46
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Scruffpuff posted:So it's one thing to say that ships are subject to change; it's another to actually do it. Everyone at CIG knew the thing was moving to a single-seater, except one group: the people paying. This is tantamount to fraud. Many backers just got it up the rear end to the tune of $150 each. Does CIG think what they just pulled won't have any effect on future ship sales? No matter what they pull out of their asses for the next wave of ships, most people at this point will think twice about what CIG says the ship is, and what they might finally get down the road. Aside from the most deluded cultists, of course. I don't think it really matters. If you look at the history of what CIG has done and their justifications, the changes over LTI don't matter because LTI won't be worth much, we won't sell limited ships again, then they do, won't sell stupid racing suit again, then they do. In each case you can't judge the outcome in the game obviously, but on the 2nd hand ship market, people spent hundreds extra because of these commitments/promises. CIG isn't bothered at all because "you can earn everything in the game" and "you shouldn't buy from there anyway". This is the same, the scout has changed, the shuttle ship from the 890 jump lost it's jump drive, the phoenix will change too, caterpillar is being re-concepted, hornet used to be the best but added superhornet, vanguard, there's a lightning fighter that's better than the hornet that they'll probably sell at some point too. The Cutlass got shafted so hard they hate all the whiny fucks who still own one. The pattern is to hype the ship on sale and then nerf it later, all the stat/role/3d model poo poo is made up by concept artists for the sale and once the sale is over they really don't give a bollocks as they are preparing the next sale. On all this I now totally agree with them, it really doesn't matter if some ship has one seat or two, 2 guns or 6 as "you can earn everything in game". The bigger problems they have that might take the whole project down this year are lack of content & weird bugs they can't fix, getting SQ42 out, keeping the money rolling in. All this stuff is trivial and a few hundred backers/whales pissed off that their favourite steam locomotive got roughly touched aren't a big concern in comparison. In the end either the game is good, in which case it's not worth worrying about all this as you'll be forgiven, or the game sucks in which case you are completely screwed anyway. I finally start to understand why  just doesn't care.
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Feb 26, 2016 23:48
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ZenMaster posted:Also lol @ no function for the seat... I saw a ton of functions listed on the forums. Well if it ain't from Chris, it ain't.
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Feb 26, 2016 23:49
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Liu posted:its about time you used an actual good song in one of your videos, apart from china in your hand of course
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Feb 26, 2016 23:51
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ZenMaster posted:Reading it over and over it just sounds more and more ridiculous... to be honest as scummy and deceptive as it sounds, the only things you need to accept as true for this to be a reasonable explanation are the following: 1. The developers don't talk to the marketing team 2. The developers don't bother looking at the store page 3. Ben, the Master of Ships, whose job it is presumably to make sure the marketing and internal design docs are in sync, is incompetent and/or has too short an attention span to actually do the parts of his job that aren't "closing threads" and "making excuses on camera". none of those seem that out there to me how they're handling it is absolutely shittastic though
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Feb 26, 2016 23:53
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lol they publicly blamed the mistake on one person and named them. Good one.
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Feb 26, 2016 23:54
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peter gabriel posted:Wanted to get this in quick Your music choices are always so chill
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Feb 26, 2016 23:55
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AP posted:In the end either the game is good, in which case it's not worth worrying about all this as you'll be forgiven, or the game sucks in which case you are completely screwed anyway. I finally start to understand why I remember being confused over the Cutlass stuff for this reason-if the game was non-existent or terrible, then what did it matter how one .jpg performed versus another. It speaks to a larger problem, but the whales aren't whales because they're good at pattern recognition.
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Feb 26, 2016 23:57
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Did anyone on RtV address the McCarthy debacle?
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alphabettitouretti posted:lol they publicly blamed the mistake on one person and named them. Good one. I think they were just teasing Money. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Nope
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:to be honest as scummy and deceptive as it sounds, the only things you need to accept as true for this to be a reasonable explanation are the following: 4) there is no change control process in place, and a designer could make that call to pull something without thinking to report it up 5) the thousands of design and development hours, with multiple review and approval stages that make up this intricate pipeline we're constantly told about, missed this unilateral change multiple times 6) Chris Roberts, who has been involved in constantly sending assets back to revision, wasn't told about this change and also didn't notice it 7) Upon discovering an unforced error on their team's part, decided the most appropriate course of action would be to ban the person who raised the issue on their forums, close the thread, and change the store page without any attempt to document that change for the community
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ZenMaster posted:
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Feb 27, 2016 00:09
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:4) there is no change control process in place, and a designer could make that call to pull something without thinking to report it up 4 and 5 are moot if "marketing" isn't involved in "product management". Designers, modelers, product managers all fall under the "developer" side of the fence as far as I can see, insofar as "not being marketing". 6. I direct your attention to "what the gently caress is this chat box, this thing has got to go, this is horrible" on a livestream. He probably gets the changesets every morning and uses them to mop the splooge off his SQ42 script. 7 would be patently unbelievable, yes, except for it actually happening in full view of everyone, and I'll  until the end of time at Ben because of it
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http://www.twitch.tv/cigcommunity/v/50918221 At 36:45 onwards things get tense and they stammer alot. Re-watching it again at certain parts. They all look uncomfortable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elhkoKiUm6o This song would work in a star citizen video too.
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:4) there is no change control process in place, and a designer could make that call to pull something without thinking to report it up I caught a bit of one of the recent bug smasher episodes. From memory, they had a tool to dump changes from excel into the xml, devs were mostly directly modifying the xml instead as it was faster. The impression I got was they built the xml masters from the excel files and then would find out they'd lost dozens/hundreds of changes and this kept happening. So now they have some new tool that's better than excel. I sort of lost interest at this point but basically they are going to still have the problem because they really don't appear to have a decent change control process. AP fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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darkarchon posted:Why do they even have a two-staged Alpha at this point? Is an Alpha not enough yet? I don't understand the decision to make an Alpha of an Alpha at all Don't you remember how badly their servers poo poo the bed when the ptu first came out? They can't handle the load of everyone trying to access their tech demo, and they can probably only afford a few thousand people to download 30gb every two days.
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Reminder that Sandi said she was "looking over the legalese" about something. She is now a lawyer too for a $100 million company. RE: The dev tools, they asked a shitizen if they could use their web based holotable thing internally because it was better than any cig developed tool. 
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Yeah that's blue steel, should be tim tam brown.....
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Feb 27, 2016 00:22
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Posting from page 2147: "Poor chair, thought of Ben and died."
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Scruffpuff posted:Guys, I'm so excited! I just got an exclusive offer from RSI in my email! CHECK THIS OUT: Might this be a covert attempt to get older backers to agree to the new TOS? And pay an extra $5...
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This is what happens when you have ("have") things that don't exist in a game that doesn't exist then you sell them as if they exist (in the MMO sense at least) for insane amounts of money. When these things go on sale they're basically aspirations and ideas but they're sold as if they are fully built, tested and ready to go. Even in the most fantastically managed project there would be warning bells going off if they were pre-selling something they weren't even sure was possible, in a clusterfuck of a company like CIG/RSI they're deafening. It's not like this is a new thing either, see also various ships morphing from nippy runaround fighters to lumbering freighters or whatever.
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Galarox posted:I am many many pages back, but had to finish this before catching up. Thanks to whoever suggested this, can't remember who it was. Anyways...  
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:to be honest as scummy and deceptive as it sounds, the only things you need to accept as true for this to be a reasonable explanation are the following: It seems even easier than that: 1. The developers hate Ben Lesnick and actively sabotage him.
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Tortolia posted:I can't wait for developer ghost to weigh in on chairgate Is there any part of this project that has/will not turn into a “gate”? And so, wouldn't it be easier to predict the next few months of SC development by picking a random word in the dictionary (its relation to software development is secondary) and append a -gate to it?
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Tippis posted:Is there any part of this project that has/will not turn into a “gate”? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9JgxhXW5w
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I'm gonna go with the simplest explanation for Chairgate: it was an intentional move that everyone knew about, but they didn't want it to affect ship sales so they didn't tell the backers. They planned to "deal" with the fallout when it happened, knowing that with the cult they've built, it wouldn't matter in the long run anyway. 
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Plural Abysss posted:Might this be a covert attempt to get older backers to agree to the new TOS? And pay an extra $5... They haven't changed the TOS recently, so who knows. Also I just realized something hilarious about CIG's TOS. They specify this: quote:RSI agrees to use its good faith business efforts to deliver to you the pledge items and the Game on or before the estimated delivery date communicated to you on the Website. However, you acknowledge and agree that delivery as of such date is not a firm promise and may be extended by RSI since unforeseen events may extend the development and/or production time. Accordingly, you agree that any unearned portion of your Pledge shall not be refundable until and unless RSI has failed to deliver the relevant pledge items and/or the Game to you within eighteen (18) months after the estimated delivery date. But nowhere on the website is there an estimated delivery date. So wouldn't that make the TOS invalid?
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