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Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Ghosthotel posted:

hello friends

someone has probably already posted something, but anyone playing birdie mind sharing some tips?

I literally started playing him like 3 hours ago but my win rate online shot through the roof of just playing the footsie game and blowing up whiffs with ex bull rush, or bull horn but I don't really know what his gameplan is supposed to look like, and SRK apparently doesn't like the donut man because theirs like 5 threads maybe

His gameplan is play footsies and lay down can/banana when they let you for pressure. Theres a bunch of little setups and tricks(and gimmicks that you shouldn't do because itll hurt your game long run) but that is the essence of Birdie right there.

I'll give one hot tip right now anyway, pay real close attention to how often someone quick rises. If it is more often than not after any throw(normal, command, or hop throw) feel free to toss out the ex leap grab, its near unreactable and you cannot backroll after a throw only tech straight up, so they wake up right into it.

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Celebrity Ghost
Sep 26, 2007

Skypie posted:

Yeah I use her s.HK like crazy and I've been conditioning myself to use her s.MK more and her c.LK as a machine gun kick. The armor thing is exactly what I needed to know.

Also your videos have been very helpful and put me in way better spots against Karin, who I frequently lost to before! Same with the shimmy tutorial.


Barring a couple times when I played tired and went on miserable losing streaks, yeah. I only do a few ranked matches at a time. I should commit a time to just grind it out.

Something neat about her s.MK: It can't really convert into anything but it stuffs a lot of things. The range in which it whiffs is just far away enough that c.HP is +1 on block. So using c.HP to get in isn't a bad thing, just don't do it until you've trained people to try and avoid the kick, and then go for the tackle.

Goodpart
Jan 9, 2004

quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
rip

Sick! Thats DOPE posted:

no 3-5minute wait between matches. not character locked.
In my experience casual matches pop less frequently than ranked, and they're locked down character-wise the same way

Evil Canadian posted:

Hey I wanna try a new character but I don't wanna lose points while I inevitably lose taking my learning lumps.

Its not hard to figure out.
Battle Lounge so you're paired up with a friend who will actually help you learn instead of some laggy fuckwit who will teach you nothing but terrible bad habits

Sick! Thats DOPE
Aug 1, 2008

Oh sick man thats sick

Goodpart posted:

In my experience casual matches pop less frequently than ranked, and they're locked down character-wise the same way

Battle Lounge so you're paired up with a friend who will actually help you learn instead of some laggy fuckwit who will teach you nothing but terrible bad habits

i forgot there was casual matches and battle lounge and got confused. i also cannot understand why someone would do casual matches then

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Evil Canadian posted:

His gameplan is play footsies and lay down can/banana when they let you for pressure. Theres a bunch of little setups and tricks(and gimmicks that you shouldn't do because itll hurt your game long run) but that is the essence of Birdie right there.

I'll give one hot tip right now anyway, pay real close attention to how often someone quick rises. If it is more often than not after any throw(normal, command, or hop throw) feel free to toss out the ex leap grab, its near unreactable and you cannot backroll after a throw only tech straight up, so they wake up right into it.

25 frames of flashing lights in the air is unreactable?

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Pomp posted:

25 frames of flashing lights in the air is unreactable?

Its 23 frames and yes it gets a lot harder to react to when you are just preoccupied with teching up.

Ghosthotel
Dec 27, 2008


Evil Canadian posted:

His gameplan is play footsies and lay down can/banana when they let you for pressure. Theres a bunch of little setups and tricks(and gimmicks that you shouldn't do because itll hurt your game long run) but that is the essence of Birdie right there.

I'll give one hot tip right now anyway, pay real close attention to how often someone quick rises. If it is more often than not after any throw(normal, command, or hop throw) feel free to toss out the ex leap grab, its near unreactable and you cannot backroll after a throw only tech straight up, so they wake up right into it.



That bottom tip helped me get away with some fraudulence. My biggest concern with birdie is that im not sure if i have a solid blockstring once i get in. Like if im on top of someone what buttons should I be pressing to stay on top of them? So far I've found st.mp works a whole lot but im just looking for a second opinion

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Ghosthotel posted:

That bottom tip helped me get away with some fraudulence. My biggest concern with birdie is that im not sure if i have a solid blockstring once i get in. Like if im on top of someone what buttons should I be pressing to stay on top of them? So far I've found st.mp works a whole lot but im just looking for a second opinion

Birdie should never be concerned about getting in, that isn't his gameplan. Stay at the range of st.mp at the closest if you can help it. If you are in just do the simple st.lk st.lp hit confirm into headbutt and nail it if you got it.

*ed*

To be more succinct, he lives and dies at mid-range. Trying to go in on someone just makes their job all the much easier for them.

Evil Canadian fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Mar 7, 2016

Lothire
Jan 27, 2007

Rx Suicide emailed me and all I got was this amazingly awesome forum account.

Tortured By Flan
To change things around, I could use some input. When is it a good time to change up your character? I've been in this since release as Necalli, and I've hit a point where I know what it is I want to do with him. While I'm not solid, I have an entry level set of skills with most of his basics, and even a bit of experience in having a charge move and command throw.

I'm happy with my progress, but now I'm up against Silver players that are really on point. I need to buckle down and focus on being consistent with the basics, yet I find I don't really want to do that with Necalli. He's fun, but the way I need to play him doesn't feel complete against a lot of different match-ups. At least not the way I'm learning to play him. Noted a million times before, his lacking normals make competing in that area difficult. Having to bypass the footsies game in the various ways that I do doesn't sit right with me in the long term, because I've a desire to learn the game proper. So long as I want to learn in a part of the game where my character is the weakest performing, it seems a better idea to change up to someone more capable.

But it's not so easy to just grab someone and go when building a base level of skills. Easier here than other games, sure, but we're still talking muscle memory and all that. I still want to improve on my basics too, and I imagine I'll need time to settle into her moves. I'm a bit worried I won't be able to translate all that well the things I've already learned, and there's no doubt I'll be in for several bad session of getting my rear end blasted as I press the wrong buttons and drop combos from muscle memory going haywire. Maybe that makes it all the more important to make the change? It isn't like I can't go back I suppose, and I plan to hit up Alex as soon as possible with Ryu/others sometime down the road.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

For fucks sake, even with the capcops putting everyone on notice I still can't loving get past every third match being a rage quitter in ranked.

all the ladies say I
Aug 24, 2005



Acción de Espionaje Táctico
This game is fun and good and Marvel was fun and good as well.

If you disagree you may want to consider looking at some flowers.

RanKizama
Apr 22, 2015

Shinobi Heart

Fellblade posted:

Here's a video of somebody doing it for all 100 stages of extreme survival.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcLyvS1OBTM
Can I do that with Cammy's cannon spike?

Artelier
Jan 23, 2015


I met a Zangief who ragequit (GZ-Tsai) as he only had one win to his current streak.

I met him on and off over the next hour, and he still only had one win and quit on loss every time. Poor guy.

Shockeh
Feb 24, 2009

Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.
I see occasional Super CRITICAL ART mashing is still a thing. :smith:

Arzachel
May 12, 2012

Lothire posted:

I'm happy with my progress, but now I'm up against Silver players that are really on point. I need to buckle down and focus on being consistent with the basics, yet I find I don't really want to do that with Necalli. He's fun, but the way I need to play him doesn't feel complete against a lot of different match-ups. At least not the way I'm learning to play him. Noted a million times before, his lacking normals make competing in that area difficult. Having to bypass the footsies game in the various ways that I do doesn't sit right with me in the long term, because I've a desire to learn the game proper. So long as I want to learn in a part of the game where my character is the weakest performing, it seems a better idea to change up to someone more capable.

If you want to get better at footsies, just practice footsies. Having worse normals forces you to get better sooner.

Arzachel fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Mar 7, 2016

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Goodpart posted:

I guess I just don't understand why anyone would play a casual match when ranked exists.

I had gotten 5 disconnects in a row in ranked so I switched to casual until they fix that

I play battle lounges sometimes but it bugs me that you don't get any character exp (fight money too I guess but you get so little that I dunno why they even bother)

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

right now I've been having the most success with Bison despite still being new with his poo poo. right now I'm mostly using his EX ball to pressure people with dash-ins and using Vtrigger to set up mixups, but what else is considered a main strategy on how to play him? I never know when to use Inferno, can that hit as an anti-air?

Cake Smashing Boob
Nov 5, 2008

I support black genocide

MinibarMatchman posted:

right now I've been having the most success with Bison despite still being new with his poo poo. right now I'm mostly using his EX ball to pressure people with dash-ins and using Vtrigger to set up mixups, but what else is considered a main strategy on how to play him? I never know when to use Inferno, can that hit as an anti-air?

get close and press buttons

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

Cake Smashing Boob posted:

get close and press buttons

you dont really have to get close

just press buttons

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Sick! Thats DOPE posted:

i forgot there was casual matches and battle lounge and got confused. i also cannot understand why someone would do casual matches then

I switch them on along with ranked when I'm waiting for rando matches just so I can spend more time playing Street Fighter and less time practicing my hit-confirms.

I'm slowly improving! I won a few matches on Sunday, then proceeded to lose a bunch of other matches and go back down to 0 LP :haw: Hobojim pointed out some of my bad habits to me in our lobby the other day, so I've been trying to get better at punishing people and not giving up so much of the screen. So yeah, Sunday was pretty good for me- I had a really satisfying fight against some Ken, where I blocked his CA and immediately countered with my own CA for a knockout. It was a fun session. Maybe I'll be able to rank bronze by the end of the month.

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

Lothire posted:

To change things around, I could use some input. When is it a good time to change up your character?

I'm in a bit of the same area, which is that I'm enjoying Necalli but I recognize that he's limited in a lot of ways; while this doesn't make him a 'bad' character, per se, but it's teaching me to play the game in a bit of a scrubby way. The best I can tell you is to go ahead and learn Ryu/Chun; at best, they'll be a pocket character for bad matchups, and, at worst, they'll teach you about that character's limits for the next time you face them with Necalli.

Arzachel
May 12, 2012

bhsman posted:

I'm in a bit of the same area, which is that I'm enjoying Necalli but I recognize that he's limited in a lot of ways; while this doesn't make him a 'bad' character, per se, but it's teaching me to play the game in a bit of a scrubby way. The best I can tell you is to go ahead and learn Ryu/Chun; at best, they'll be a pocket character for bad matchups, and, at worst, they'll teach you about that character's limits for the next time you face them with Necalli.

Why would you swap to Ryu if stubby normals is your complaint

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Noted Xrd player Alioune:

https://twitter.com/alioune85/status/706784465536815104

:monocle:

interrodactyl
Nov 8, 2011

you have no dignity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aovCTLX4hCA

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?

MinibarMatchman posted:

right now I've been having the most success with Bison despite still being new with his poo poo. right now I'm mostly using his EX ball to pressure people with dash-ins and using Vtrigger to set up mixups, but what else is considered a main strategy on how to play him? I never know when to use Inferno, can that hit as an anti-air?

Day 1 strat is dash in throw. When they start reacting to the dash and try to jab, you do dash in hk for the crush counter and 30%+ damage.

Do his command normal HP after a back throw, you'll hit them or crush counter them if they try anything.

You are plus on so much, you're going to force the opponent to block while you fish for counter-hits.

Inferno is only for hit-confirms, it's an easy punish when blocked, cr.hp is your main anti-air.

V-trigger after a slide to make it safe, or after scissors to extend your combos.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009


For some reason the bot doesn't lose it's win streak when people beat it, I think Mike Ross fought the same one

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

When they start reacting to the dash and try to jab, you do dash in hk for the crush counter and 30%+ damage.

When they start reacting to the dash you eat a counterhit jab because dash into RH is 31 frames. At least given they're any good and the connection isn't garbage.

Then again if they react too fast their jab whiffs because someone thought it was a good idea to give a street fighter character a dash teleport better than Slayers.

Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~

Evil Canadian posted:

For fucks sake, even with the capcops putting everyone on notice I still can't loving get past every third match being a rage quitter in ranked.

they only put the people that read the capcom unity blogposts on notice didnt they? and they also made sure to tell them the threshold for being punished so they know how much they can do it.

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy

Help Im Alive posted:

For some reason the bot doesn't lose it's win streak when people beat it, I think Mike Ross fought the same one

He's doing some really clever stuff with packet sniffing. Not only does the bot never lose its streak, but you also don't lose any points if you lose to the bot.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
That's dope. Someone put more thought into that bot than Capcom did.

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Jmcrofts posted:

He's doing some really clever stuff with packet sniffing. Not only does the bot never lose its streak, but you also don't lose any points if you lose to the bot.

Speaking of packets. Does anybody know what causes that thing where I can't see how many LP I or my opponent has before a ranked match? Is that my NAT still freaking out, or is it on Capcom's end?

Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=sfv%20costume&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009


Do these people realise the costumes will be available for $4 later this month

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

Arzachel posted:

Why would you swap to Ryu if stubby normals is your complaint

You get a much better ranged poke in fireballs compared to the seismo v-skill.

Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot

RanKizama posted:

Can I do that with Cammy's cannon spike?

People clai myou can do it with any DP but not sure.

Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot

Help Im Alive posted:

Do these people realise the costumes will be available for $4 later this month

probably. They're hoping others don't

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Help Im Alive posted:

Do these people realise the costumes will be available for $4 later this month

Yoooo. I forgot that was happening. I should probably play those other 15 story modes so I have enough fight money. Have they said anything about other costumes, or is it just gonna be the story mode alt costumes for now? Some of those are pretty great, but man I really don't give a poo poo about Karin's little black dress. Which sucks, because she's my main.

Revelant
Jul 27, 2007

Ask me about my male escort services. 30% Discounts for Goons.

deadly_pudding posted:

Yoooo. I forgot that was happening. I should probably play those other 15 story modes so I have enough fight money. Have they said anything about other costumes, or is it just gonna be the story mode alt costumes for now? Some of those are pretty great, but man I really don't give a poo poo about Karin's little black dress. Which sucks, because she's my main.

I dont know, I'm rating Karins dress could get some rad textures.
Lauras alt though is just just bad.

Revelant
Jul 27, 2007

Ask me about my male escort services. 30% Discounts for Goons.
Anyone elses main screen LP stuck , mine displays 1000 lp below my actual rating I have in match.
I assume the patch will fix this with all the stats but its a long shot.

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deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Revelant posted:

Anyone elses main screen LP stuck , mine displays 1000 lp below my actual rating I have in match.
I assume the patch will fix this with all the stats but its a long shot.

Mine was showing "--" for me and everybody else for most of yesterday evening. A quality capcom product

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