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Diana's similar, she mostly wants to melee scrap but has trouble picking fights until 6 when her kill pressure suddenly goes from 0 to 100. She has only one ranged ability before then but thankfully it's a really good one with a massive combined AoE between the crescent and endpoint.
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WW is the absolute worst case of 'poo poo pre-level-6' syndrome. Not only is he nearly useless without his ult, generally you need at least 2 items to be able to consider a dual, without his auto attack steroid, he'd probably be the worst champ in game, at least in my eyes.
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Mar 9, 2016 20:42
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rabidsquid posted:You could put the ult on ridiculously low CD, still making it his signature spell but forcing a level 6 power spike. I don't tend to like champs who basically HAVE to avoid fighting until 6 but I think that's because they're almost all champs who revolve around somewhat long-ish CD extremely powerful ults, and there's probably some design space where they put a very strong skill on ult but give it a low cd to change the complexion of how the champ spikes in a way more subtle way than say, redesigned kog. DIana and Akali are like this, and those are pretty cool champs edit: oops there was another page
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Shyvana Twin Bite (Q) second hit's % of AD bonus physical damage lowered to 40/55/70/85/100% from 80/85/90/95/100% Burnout (W) [effect removed] no longer deals extra 20% damage vs monsters. Oof.
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Mar 9, 2016 21:12
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So she just got nerfed into the ground. Great job Riot.
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ISperglord Firecock posted:god new J4 is disgusting It's the same loving thing!
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Those nerfs are way smaller than you think.
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K8.0 posted:Those nerfs are way smaller than you think. The Q nerf isn't the biggest of deals but that damage for her W means she probably simply cannot jungle without smiting red and that makes her too easy to counter. She's poo poo now.
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Mar 9, 2016 21:16
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ah yess another member of the list of former top laners who will never be good in lane ever again because sated devourer, a jungle item, is in the game
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Mar 9, 2016 21:40
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She was a jungler way before she was a toplaner
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Kashuno posted:Shyvana Good - granted deleting devourer would be a much better and more consistent fix. But her devourer damage was beyond insane. I had multiple kills/items on her as top nautilus and she was 4 shotting me with devourer and a bork.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:01
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Why does Riot nerf an item that makes champions strong and then nerf the loving champion too Shyvana was already nerfed because of Cinderhulk too
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Mar 9, 2016 22:17
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Shyvana will probably still be playable but this feels like yet another setup for the 'nerf champs that are strong due to overtuned jungle item' -> 'nerf the item a patch later' progression that we've seen so many times
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Mar 9, 2016 22:18
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Tales of Woe posted:'nerf champs that are strong due to overtuned jungle item' -> ' ftfy
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Mar 9, 2016 22:21
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Aurelion Solomid's splash art looks a bit goofy. Like he just counted on his fingers how much chicken nuggets he can get and went "that's a lot of nuggs, dude!".Gridlocked posted:Honestly if you look through the Skins and Trivia pages of everything on that wiki someone has put in an un-sourced statement about how X is referencing this anime/My Little Pony/popular cartoon. Meanwhile, still no mention that the sound of Jinx's passive is clearly inspired by the Six Million Dollar Man. Goddamn millennials.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:35
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Spiros posted:that damage for her W means she probably simply cannot jungle without smiting red lmbo no way dude, she was a viable jungler with a stupid strong clear before that was even added to W
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Mar 9, 2016 22:36
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Tales of Woe posted:Shyvana will probably still be playable but this feels like yet another setup for the 'nerf champs that are strong due to overtuned jungle item' -> 'nerf the item a patch later' progression that we've seen so many times I just don't understand how you see multiple devourer champs being incredibly strong and decide to nerf the individual character rather than the item. Especially when you have a long history of having no idea how to balance melee carries
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Mar 9, 2016 22:38
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Mierenneuker posted:"that's a lot of nuggs, dude!".  jesus christ i have been playing with potatoes they apparently do not understand that, as the tankiest person on the team, i am responsible for initiating
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Sperglord Firecock posted:
That's not always true..
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Firebert posted:lmbo no way dude, she was a viable jungler with a stupid strong clear before that was even added to W She's pretty weak first clear imo
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Sperglord Firecock posted:
This isn't necessarily true. There are lots of team comps with someone like Diana or Lissandra responsible for primary initiation Maybe initiate better???
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kingcobweb posted:This isn't necessarily true. There are lots of team comps with someone like Diana or Lissandra responsible for primary initiation i agree, but at the same time, we had no initiators like that, and i was jarvan 4 so yes, i am the initiation
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Mar 9, 2016 22:56
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I just spent a 50 minute game playing with a J4 who made it his life goal to ult me. I let him ult me 2 or 3 times, and E'd out and killed him. Did I mention I was blue Ezreal
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Firebert posted:lmbo no way dude, she was a viable jungler with a stupid strong clear before that was even added to W This was also before the jungle was retuned. With +20% damage to monsters it still doesn't kill little lizards/golems at buff camps with full uptime, and now it'll be worse. The changes aren't going to hurt midgame/lategame Shyvana at all but it will seriously hurt her early which is currently where she really sucks.
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Hi mikujin
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rabidsquid posted:I just spent a 50 minute game playing with a J4 who made it his life goal to ult me. I let him ult me 2 or 3 times, and E'd out and killed him. nah my life goal was to ult the talon one game, who proceeded to ult inside of my ult and do a grand total of nothing since i was stacking armor you can guess what happened next (it involved him dying painfully)
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ZenVulgarity posted:Hi mikujin Hi yizus
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Mikujin posted:Hi yizus I jarmandered
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Mar 9, 2016 23:48
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 Naut is good but holy poo poo is Naut not "dodge game if the enemy picks him" good.
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 Yay I made plat for the first time, and without too much feeding (my hidden score there is 0/2/14, a shameful sona score) Jarvan with damage items looks extra crazy now, holy cow
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Super Librarian posted:
Congrats! Carrying gold scrubs as support is difficult but you found a way 
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kingcobweb posted:Congrats! Carrying gold scrubs as support is difficult but you found a way Thanks But yeah, some games you gotta secure kills and make sure your scrub adc doesn't get them 
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Tales of Woe posted:Shyvana will probably still be playable but this feels like yet another setup for the 'nerf champs that are strong due to overtuned jungle item' -> 'nerf the item a patch later' progression that we've seen so many times Shyvana was simultaneously the worst winrate champion in toplane and the highest winrate champion in jungle at some point in recent memory. So she's clearly not weak, but yeah sated devourer basically makes it impossible for her to be viable in toplane as long as it exists.
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kingcobweb posted:DIana and Akali are like this, and those are pretty cool champs Akali is very strong pre 6 against a large portion of champs top lane. Grasp of the undying is just a silly keystone I feel like was a goddamn mistake on top of Titanic Hydra
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Lady Naga posted:
Well I rarely dodge a game because of an OP pick, but Naut is probably one of the best champs in the game at this moment, so that's not unreasonable.
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Tequila Sunrise posted:Well I rarely dodge a game because of an OP pick, but Naut is probably one of the best champs in the game at this moment, so that's not unreasonable. Honestly I haven't tested it out as much since I've been swamped with school work but I'm pretty positive the LPL counter pick to tank top laners is Morgana, I'm inclined to believe it's probably beast, deals with Poppy/Rammus/Sion/Malphite/Naut all at the same time.
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Daemonlasher posted:Akali is very strong pre 6 against a large portion of champs top lane. Grasp of the undying is just a silly keystone I feel like was a goddamn mistake on top of Titanic Hydra That makes me wonder, could ~tank Diana~ work for similar reasons? Killing a Goldfish LLC will investigate this new claim kingcobweb fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Tequila Sunrise posted:Well I rarely dodge a game because of an OP pick, but Naut is probably one of the best champs in the game at this moment, so that's not unreasonable. It's very unreasonable to waste everyone's time by dodging a pick actually.
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how come ezrael's title is "the prodigal explorer" when it should be "the prodigious explorer"
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Lady Naga posted:It's very unreasonable to waste everyone's time by dodging a pick actually. Hahahaha
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