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I said come in! posted:I feel like it's perfectly okay to change some of this stuff about these super heroes. Batman in this new movie clearly kills people without mercy. Watch the latest trailer, he is body slamming bad guys through floors and slamming them head first into hard objects, no way anyone in that room he took out survived those brutal attacks. It's just highlighting how silly Batman's stance is. It's perfectly fine to paralyze a guy from the waist down or put him in traction for a year, but hey, at least he isn't dead!
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Besides, this a Zack Snyder movie. Man of Steel was tame as gently caress for him. I fully expected that movie to have a scene where Superman rips a dudes head off and covers himself in the victims blood. Batman vs. Superman will get an R-Rated version for the blu-ray release, so maybe it'll still have 300 or Watchmen levels of blood and gore.
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Mar 19, 2016 20:22
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Guy A. Person posted:What a loving loon. I'm fairly sure that Strawberry Shortcake pitch is real, at the very least. It's definitely sounding very familiar.
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Mar 19, 2016 20:25
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I'm fairly sure that Strawberry Shortcake pitch is real, at the very least. It's definitely sounding very familiar. I don't know about that, but there was a fairly internet-famous comic that shows Spider-Man mentioning getting molested as a kid by some old guy.
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Mar 19, 2016 20:37
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Bob Quixote posted:I don't know about that, but there was a fairly internet-famous comic that shows Spider-Man mentioning getting molested as a kid by some old guy. That was PSA comic about childhood molestation and how if it happens to you it wasn't something to feel ashamed about. Very different from supposed "edgy" bullshit.
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Mar 19, 2016 21:17
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Hellbunny posted:That was PSA comic about childhood molestation and how if it happens to you it wasn't something to feel ashamed about. Well yeah, and in that context it works - context is everything. Same thing with people getting annoyed with the Zod neck snap in Man of Steel: it would be really unnerving and out of place to see Fleischer cartoon Superman or Superman the Animated Series Superman breaking necks, but within the tone established by the film it made perfect sense and flowed with the rest of the action. It's not something done purely for the purpose of being shocking or edgy.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:07
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Bob Quixote posted:Well yeah, and in that context it works - context is everything. Same thing with people getting annoyed with the Zod neck snap in Man of Steel: it would be really unnerving and out of place to see Fleischer cartoon Superman or Superman the Animated Series Superman breaking necks, but within the tone established by the film it made perfect sense and flowed with the rest of the action. It's not something done purely for the purpose of being shocking or edgy. Conversely, seeing some of the Silver Age solutions suggested above by one article or another applied in the context of Man of Steel would be horrifying. Imagine an ant-sized Michael Shannon locked in a jar, screaming and hammering against the glass, forever.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:20
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Grendels Dad posted:Conversely, seeing some of the Silver Age solutions suggested above by one article or another applied in the context of Man of Steel would be horrifying. Imagine an ant-sized Michael Shannon locked in a jar, screaming and hammering against the glass, forever. Yeah that whole Phantom Zone thing seems like a huge copout. It's like skipping the killing part and just sending a person directly to hell instead. Doesn't really smack of having the moral high ground if your solution to a problem is to just shut that problem away forever with no hope of escape.
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Mar 19, 2016 23:24
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I'm fairly sure that Strawberry Shortcake pitch is real, at the very least. It's definitely sounding very familiar. Whaaaaaaa 
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CelticPredator posted:Killing Zod is a good scene, but I wish there was another scene that really tested the "kill/don't kill" argument earlier. Just to give it more of a pay off at the end. You mean, aside from all the scenes of him holding back so he doesn't murder assholes and bullies with a single punch? HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's just highlighting how silly Batman's stance is. It's perfectly fine to paralyze a guy from the waist down or put him in traction for a year, but hey, at least he isn't dead! That was one of my favorite parts of Dark Knight, where the mob dude is like "Falling from this height wouldn't kill me." "I'M COUNTING ON IT" and pushes him off and it brutally shatters his legs, like, holy poo poo.
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Mar 20, 2016 03:16
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wyoming posted:That was one of my favorite parts of Dark Knight, where the mob dude is like "Falling from this height wouldn't kill me." "I'M COUNTING ON IT" and pushes him off and it brutally shatters his legs, like, holy poo poo. I felt like Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy was as much about how absurd Bruce Wayne/Batman then it is about how he is a hero. Batman vs. Superman seems to go that direction too.
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Grendels Dad posted:Conversely, seeing some of the Silver Age solutions suggested above by one article or another applied in the context of Man of Steel would be horrifying. Imagine an ant-sized Michael Shannon locked in a jar, screaming and hammering against the glass, forever. I think there was an issue of JLA years ago, I want to say circa 2000-2004, where Superman tells some bad guy something like, "We don't kill, but we've sometimes have to come up with no-kill options that might make death look more merciful." We aren't gong to kill you, but we will exile you to the core of Saturn for the rest of your life.
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I like that cause it's so specific. It's so common to hear that opinion in the wild where some dude thinks he can incapacitate someone who cuts in line at Target by shattering his shin with a well timed kick or shooting him in the hand, as if it's chivalrous or something.
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Mar 20, 2016 04:23
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JediTalentAgent posted:I think there was an issue of JLA years ago, I want to say circa 2000-2004, where Superman tells some bad guy something like, "We don't kill, but we've sometimes have to come up with no-kill options that might make death look more merciful." It was the end of the Ultramarine Corps arc where they exiled the General to a sliver of asteroid millions of miles from Earth. I think.
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I said come in! posted:I feel like it's perfectly okay to change some of this stuff about these super heroes. Batman in this new movie clearly kills people without mercy. Watch the latest trailer, he is body slamming bad guys through floors and slamming them head first into hard objects, no way anyone in that room he took out survived those brutal attacks. Batman 1989 straight up killed a whole bunch of the Joker's goons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPudZd3oI4 They also raceflipped Harvey Dent and hardly anyone gave a poo poo, they were too busy writing petitions trying to get Tim Burton taken off the project for having cast Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne.  (Burton's justification was "Well he looks like the kind of person who'd need to dress up as a bat in order to intimidate criminals.") Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Mar 20, 2016 |
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Mar 20, 2016 06:45
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Batman 1989 straight up killed a whole bunch of the Joker's goons. Who on earth was gonna be upset by Billy Dee Williams though?
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Mar 20, 2016 07:26
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I'm fairly sure that Strawberry Shortcake pitch is real, at the very least. It's definitely sounding very familiar. I'm only aware of the thing penny arcade had to remove, which was sexual but not rapey.
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Mar 20, 2016 07:27
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Who on earth was gonna be upset by Billy Dee Williams though? The same people who'd be upset about Idris Elba??
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Mar 20, 2016 07:32
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I said come in! posted:I feel like it's perfectly okay to change some of this stuff about these super heroes. Batman in this new movie clearly kills people without mercy. Watch the latest trailer, he is body slamming bad guys through floors and slamming them head first into hard objects, no way anyone in that room he took out survived those brutal attacks. In the last episode I saw, Daredevil throws dudes down stairwells and wraps chains around their necks and loving pulls, this is moments after he argues against killing people to The Punisher.. The whole ideal of not-killing is very grey in comics because it relies on intentions and ideals which is another debate altogether.
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Mar 20, 2016 08:05
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Finally saw Antman after not having a chance to catch it in theaters. It's pretty good.
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Mar 20, 2016 08:08
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Yeah, that fight is pretty savage. Comic book movies exist in a land where King hits don't exist and death is never accidental, although that said, the Jessica Jones series tended to have lots of 'knocked out or killed from a single hit' moments, so some series/movies have gone for a different style.
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Well, I laughed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icrM6q1Un4E
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Mar 20, 2016 08:12
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Vintersorg posted:It's almost here! I love how I see Forbes articles all the time when I google stuff like Fallout 4 Easter Eggs, or the Dark Souls 3 release day. This ain't your daddy's Forbes!!!!! (ps please send money)
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Mordiceius posted:Finally saw Antman after not having a chance to catch it in theaters. It's pretty good. Right? Ant-Man I thought was fantastic. Marvels best movies have been their new movie heroes, like Guardians of the Galaxy. Makes me excited for Dr. Strange.
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Justin Godscock posted:In the last episode I saw, Daredevil throws dudes down stairwells and wraps chains around their necks and loving pulls, this is moments after he argues against killing people to The Punisher.. The whole ideal of not-killing is very grey in comics because it relies on intentions and ideals which is another debate altogether. "There is no such thing" was a funny and canon cop out.
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Mar 20, 2016 14:48
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The MSJ posted:Well, I laughed. This is amazing.
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Mar 20, 2016 15:23
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Batman 1989 straight up killed a whole bunch of the Joker's goons. Nobody died onscreen, it can be safely assumed they all escaped  This is how comic books work.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Nobody died onscreen, it can be safely assumed they all escaped The Joker does shoot Bob on screen though.
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Mar 20, 2016 15:59
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wyoming posted:That was one of my favorite parts of Dark Knight, where the mob dude is like "Falling from this height wouldn't kill me." "I'M COUNTING ON IT" and pushes him off and it brutally shatters his legs, like, holy poo poo. I don't disagree with your point, but that is a ridiculous exaggeration. Smarmy mob dude is out of the hospital and walking with a cane within a few days. Just in time for Two Face to question him and shoot his driver.
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Mar 20, 2016 16:33
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Who on earth was gonna be upset by Billy Dee Williams though? It seems to be a common thing that as long as the race-switching involves black actors playing criminals, that's 'okay' (see MCD as Kingpin, suggestions for Denzel to play Luthor, etc). God forbid they have them play a white hero, though.
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Mar 20, 2016 21:18
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Pretty sure there was outcry about Michael Clarke Duncan playing Kingpin.
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Phylodox posted:Pretty sure there was outcry about Michael Clarke Duncan playing Kingpin. There was tons of outcry and plenty of racist assholes decrying his performance.
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Mar 20, 2016 22:17
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I said come in! posted:I feel like it's perfectly okay to change some of this stuff about these super heroes. Batman in this new movie clearly kills people without mercy. Watch the latest trailer, he is body slamming bad guys through floors and slamming them head first into hard objects, no way anyone in that room he took out survived those brutal attacks. In Arkham Asylum I dropped a guy head first into a cloud of poison, his status was unconscious.
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Alhazred posted:In Arkham Asylum I dropped a guy head first into a cloud of poison, his status was unconscious. the amount of brain damage I caused in Arkham City was ridiculous. Pretty sure I smashed a guy through the pavement once.
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I think this BvS spot is new. Stay tuned for the new scene at the very end, hahaha. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQQQ-LMF-tY
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Mar 21, 2016 02:09
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The point about superheroes doing things that would clearly kill people is the "how come no one notices Superman is just Clark Kent without glasses" of the modern day.
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The MSJ posted:I think this BvS spot is new. Stay tuned for the new scene at the very end, hahaha. Lmfao.
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Mar 21, 2016 03:10
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i want a whole movie of batman driving his car into superman and getting pushed around
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Mar 21, 2016 04:11
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Batman gets shoved into lockers and pantsed in gym class for 2 hours 49 minutes.
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Sentinel Red posted:It seems to be a common thing that as long as the race-switching involves black actors playing criminals, that's 'okay' (see MCD as Kingpin, suggestions for Denzel to play Luthor, etc). God forbid they have them play a white hero, though. Both Spiderman and Johnny Blaze want you to stop being outraged on their behalf if you would.
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