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Otisburg posted:I'm thirsty as poo poo for some TIE/sfs and Kylo's shuttle. If Wave 9 doesn't Awaken some Forces I'm gonna be mad at the world. I'm taking a guess at a May 4th annnouncement for wave 9, with probably Rebel Vets announced in between, but I wouldn't be surprised not to see anything in between because Armada is long overdue.
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ConfusedUs posted:In place of Torkil with TLT? It's not just extra health, it's a vastly better dial as well, particularly with Unhinged on the Y-wing. I really want to like HWKs but that dial is just too crippling.
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If you want to throw in a TLT with more firepowerr play a dengar-Spice runner-TLT.
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Ojetor posted:It's not just extra health, it's a vastly better dial as well, particularly with Unhinged on the Y-wing. I've often wondered if FFG would ever consider making a ship upgrade or title which actually swaps the dial the ship in question uses out for a modified one.
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Mar 28, 2016 23:48
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yep after flying kyle a lot recently I've been really disgusted with the HWK dial
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Mar 28, 2016 23:48
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R2 Astromech, Unhinged Astromech.
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Mar 28, 2016 23:49
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Kai Tave posted:I've often wondered if FFG would ever consider making a ship upgrade or title which actually swaps the dial the ship in question uses out for a modified one. I doubt it. It would be too difficult to work out which dial someone's using I think. I could see them publishing something like 'when you reveal your dial you may instead do X' as a title - I'm thinking that might be the t65 fix actually. Give it an extra manoeuvre it can do instead of what it reveals, giving it a pseudo-SoT/Navigator ability which takes effect at PS, increasing its manoeuvrability without just giving it boost.
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Mar 28, 2016 23:55
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If they can justify Twin Ion Mk II then I have to believe the Hwk can get some type of dial love upgrade card.
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I'm gonna try this one later against a Scum squad... Colt 45 & 2 Zig-Zags Lando Calrissian (44) Outmaneuver (3) "Zeb" Orrelios (1) R2-D2 (Crew) (4) Engine Upgrade (4) Millennium Falcon (1) Airen Cracken (19) Deadeye (1) Cluster Missiles (4) Munitions Failsafe (1) Tala Squadron Pilot (13) Cluster Missiles (4) Munitions Failsafe (1) Total: 100
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Mar 28, 2016 23:58
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thespaceinvader posted:I doubt it. It would be too difficult to work out which dial someone's using I think. I don't think it would be that hard. If you gave the HWK something like a "HWK-1000" title upgrade which then allowed you to use a dial for it with "HWK-1000" on it, that would solve the issue pretty handily. I mean I kind of doubt they'll do it my own self, but it's potential unexplored design space. They've already shown they're willing to give the same ship model different faction pilot cards courtesy of Most Wanted, giving the same ship model a different dial doesn't seem too far fetched. Otherwise I'm not really sure what you do to "fix" the HWK. Someone remarked that the HWK's dial is reminiscent of a large ship's like the shuttle but without the health or marginal utility as a blocker to justify being as limited as it is, and that's a pretty apt way of looking at it. The pilot abilities are all great, but it's practically serving up free points to your opponent. edit; tbf it's not just the HWK's dial that stinks, the fact that you practically have to spend extra points just to have an attack that isn't pointlessly pathetic is an extremely questionable decision in my opinion. Yeah, Dorsal Turret exists now, but I kind of feel like the HWK should just have had a 2-die turret out of the box rather than the dumb 1-red primary attack. To put it in perspective most people use turrets on Y-Wings but you can at least wheel around and use the front guns in a pinch like I did during that last game I played on Saturday, whereas with a HWK if you're down to the primary weapon then you're pretty much hosed. Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Mar 29, 2016 00:08
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If you're relying on a HWK to attack at all you're probably hosed unless you've specifically set it up as a TLT carrier. HWKs are support craft through and through.
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Mar 29, 2016 00:14
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thespaceinvader posted:If you're relying on a HWK to attack at all you're probably hosed unless you've specifically set it up as a TLT carrier. HWKs are support craft through and through. The thing is, I'm not real sure that "pure support craft" is really a valuable niche in X-Wing. Probably the best one in the game is the Palpshuttle which works due the fact that A). Palpatine's ability is probably the single strongest support ability in the game and B). bringing him in a shuttle is cheap enough points-wise to allow you to field two of the best aces in the game alongside him. And even then the fact that the shuttle has a 3-red primary attack with a big base forward arc is nothing to sneeze at, of course you aren't relying on the shuttle to do any heavy lifting but getting one or two extra attacks in at the crucial 3-red threshold is still useful because every little bit helps in a game where offense outweighs defense. Having a ship that effectively can't attack at even basic TIE Fighter level unless you pay extra points for an upgrade is a pretty dumb decision imo, you're effectively beginning the game a ship's worth of offense down for the benefit of abilities which are nice but not worth that opportunity tradeoff unless you pay that extra cost, which really makes it more of a mandatory upgrade than an optional one, hence they should have baked a better turret into it to begin with. Put it another way, how many turretless HWKs do you see people running?
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I don't see many people running HWKs at all, precisely because the support-ship niche isn't that useful a niche, although I think the Bomber Shuttle changes that for Imps a lot. But changing what the HWK does, doesn't make it useful. It's still fragile, it's still not going to be VERY mobile... At best, you turn it into a Y wing or an Attack Shuttle. And they both exist already. I think basically you play the named HWK pilots with Dorsals or TLTs and accept that you're paying X points for a support ship with a TLT/Dorsal.
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The local distributor finally got its poo poo together and organised proper Regionals and Nationals here in Brazil. But only for locally released ships. And it's a really bizzare meta due to their odd release schedule. Valid ships are: Waves 1, 2, 3, and 6. Plus the Rebel Transport and the new core (but not the individual ships). Oh and 2 unconfirmed ships from Wave 5. Rebels seem to have it pretty sewn up. Maybe a Kath Scarlett & 4Z or Brobots list? I think a fattish Han shoots first with Poe is probably one of the strongest builds, other than a big ol' tie swarm. Something like: YT-1300: •Han Solo (63) Engine Upgrade (4) •Millennium Falcon (1) Veteran Instincts (1) •Luke Skywalker (7) •Chewbacca (4) T-70 X-Wing: •Poe Dameron (37) Autothrusters (2) Veteran Instincts (1) •R5-P9 (3) Total: 100/100 Not that I should even waste time thinking about it as, of course, the date of the regional is also exactly the day my kid is expected to be born.
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Otisburg posted:I'm thirsty as poo poo for some TIE/sfs and Kylo's shuttle. If Wave 9 doesn't Awaken some Forces I'm gonna be mad at the world. Just checked, I do still have the Ezra pilot card from the extra. Any reason to rush it? Otherwise I'll just send it out tomorrow night.
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Ojetor posted:It's not just extra health, it's a vastly better dial as well, particularly with Unhinged on the Y-wing. It's a TLT and it's going to be escorting the satanboat...so its dial shouldn't be an issue.
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Brunas posted:Just checked, I do still have the Ezra pilot card from the extra. Any reason to rush it? Otherwise I'll just send it out tomorrow night. No rush. You can hit me up at panicatthesisko at the domain everyone uses for webmail because thwy make you have one for youtube. Lmk if you need any upgrades i might be able to spare otherwise I'll owe you one.
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Mar 29, 2016 03:43
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Kai Tave posted:General Battuta has been experimenting with XXY lists that actually use the Y-Wing as a torpedo platform and I'm curious how that's been panning out for him. I think torps plus a turret is a bit much to be packing onto a Y-Wing but I mean, I'm the guy who brings Seismic Charges so who am I to judge? Trip report from tonight! Blew up a Miranda/Dash list no problem, got my rear end macerated by a U-Boat/U-Boat/Zuckuss list when he tractored my Y-Wing onto a rock on the first pass  I think it's possible I could handle Contracted Scouts with XXY, but...man, it's an uphill fight. The Contracted Scout is tougher than an X-wing, just as agile, has a far better dial, gets a turret, and blocks like hell. I will fight on! But I really need to find a way to alpha down that first Scout quick. I also realized I definitely need to fly a Gray, not a Gold, because R2D6 is illegal on a Gold Squadron. Oops.
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General Battuta posted:Trip report from tonight! Blew up a Miranda/Dash list no problem, got my rear end macerated by a U-Boat/U-Boat/Zuckuss list when he tractored my Y-Wing onto a rock on the first pass I'm legit surprised I never got tractored once in both games, with all due respect to my opponent he passed up some serious opportunities to gently caress with me. I think he had too much wrapped up in the idea of running three Scouts and when he had to sub a Starfighter he just sort of didn't bother considering its strengths at all, it was just a placeholder. The first pass against U-boats seems pretty make or break. Wes is essential to try and skunk one Scout's focus as without it they can't launch a torpedo. If you have torpedoes of your own then the best way I can suggest approaching it is to try and loop the Y-Wing around on the outside, then cut in with a hard turn when poo poo's about to go down while bringing the X-Wings up from another angle. If you can rush to range 1 with them then it'll keep them from being able to use torpedoes at all. Nine hitpoints isn't too much to race down, and with a chipped Protorp + Wes + Wedge it's entirely possible to kill one before it's even launched a shot, and once the one goes down...well I'm not going to say it becomes easy but then the Scum player has to work a bit harder for it. Also if you can try and lead them into obstacles. Bring rocks since debris fields will still let them get shots off if they have a lingering target lock.
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I know magnetization is a pretty common mod for this game, but I wonder why no one has 3D-printed some kind of ball and socket peg that doesn't require mangling the minis too much. I suppose keeping the socket tight after use would be an issue, but Lego manages just fine with ABS. Something like this, but with connections for the standard pegs on either end. 
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Otisburg posted:No rush. You can hit me up at panicatthesisko at the domain everyone uses for webmail because thwy make you have one for youtube. Lmk if you need any upgrades i might be able to spare otherwise I'll owe you one. Cool, sent you an email. Let me know if you don't get it or whatever. I have to mail out rent tomorrow so it'll be a good reminder to mail this out too.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I know magnetization is a pretty common mod for this game, but I wonder why no one has 3D-printed some kind of ball and socket peg that doesn't require mangling the minis too much. I suppose keeping the socket tight after use would be an issue, but Lego manages just fine with ABS. This could work: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1449733. The balls are big. The Wang Balls.
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Dagon posted:This could work: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1449733. The balls are big. The Wang Balls. It's a real missed opportunity that the title of this thread isn't "Playing With Our Wangs."
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So I've been experimenting with Poe lately, as was posted way back yon about fifty pages or so, and after having my resident autistic friend do maths™ to back up my gut feelings, here is my unironic list, and boy has it done work so far (in the three games I've played it).quote:A New Hope So it turns out that LW Luke is basically better than Poe at surviving against anything that isn't a TLT, and I've long been a believer that PS above 8 in a jousting ship is not really all that impactful in the long run; plus, Luke's offense is actually slightly better than Poe's, and with the upgrade to the PS4 Y-Wing we can PS kill lots of stuff, especially missile Zs. It seems like it would struggle against lists that beat jousters for whatever reason, but then again, I feel like PEG already had that problem, and we get a bid here and get to play Luke Skywalker. It's fun. You should try it. guts and bolts fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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guts and bolts posted:So I've been experimenting with Poe lately, as was posted way back yon about fifty pages or so, and after having my resident autistic friend do maths™ to back up my gut feelings, here is my unironic list, and boy has it done work so far (in the three games I've played it). TLTs are even pretty comparable. LW Luke expected damage from TLT: 0.9828791450709105, 15% chance to need to spend a focus VI Poe expected damage from TLT (out of arc): 0.8380012512207031, can't spend focus Better name for the list is Plot Armor though.
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I posted the Poe I'd painted earlier in the thread, but I've been using Wedge alongside him a lot, so I thought I'd paint his Xwing up too. I vaguely remembered him having a custom scheme in one of the books, so went looking for a description.quote:everything from the cockpit back black, including the S-foils... [with] a green-and-gold check pattern on the front fuselage Check pattern!?  I wasn't sure if I could pull it off, or if those colours would even look good together, but I think I got a decent result.  I lifted a few details from Poe to tie them together too. 
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You just posted that to make people curious about your TIE Avenger, didn't you?
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I wonder if the people writing ship paint scheme descriptions in the books ever actually thought about how it would look if someone decided to paint it up.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I wonder if the people writing ship paint scheme descriptions in the books ever actually thought about how it would look if someone decided to paint it up. If I recall correctly that particular paint scheme was a tribute to his parents' gas station, so looking a bit odd on an X-wing isn't necessarily a flaw I suppose.
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Dav posted:If I recall correctly that particular paint scheme was a tribute to his parents' gas station, so looking a bit odd on an X-wing isn't necessarily a flaw I suppose. Sure, it looks good but it's also really weird
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Improbable Lobster posted:Sure, it looks good but it's also really weird That's like a lot of EU stuff, then. ALthough a lot is bad and weird, too.
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One of the Rogues was a pilot that only saw on a different plane of colors? So one of the ships didn't look like it was painted, but it to the alien pilot it was amazing.
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Ringo Star Get posted:One of the Rogues was a pilot that only saw on a different plane of colors? So one of the ships didn't look like it was painted, but it to the alien pilot it was amazing. Sounds more like one of the Wraiths, probably Piggy.
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Ringo Star Get posted:One of the Rogues was a pilot that only saw on a different plane of colors? So one of the ships didn't look like it was painted, but it to the alien pilot it was amazing. Yeah, it looked completely white, except to species that could see infrared or ultraviolet.
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Icon Of Sin posted:Sounds more like one of the Wraiths, probably Piggy. Nope, Ooryl, from Bacta War just like the Wedge colour scheme on ro5s' amazing paint job. Bacta War, ch9 posted:"But, it's so... plain." If anyone's in this thread but hasn't read Bacta War, you really should give it a shot. It's pulpy schlock, sure, but it's super fun anyway, and probably the closest Stackpole's books get to 'genuinely good'. (Wraiths rule, Rogues drool, of course.)
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Ooryl Qrygg was The Best and it is a travesty that he hasn't got a card yet. (I genuinely can't remember anything he did, but I know I thought he was cool AF).
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WFGuy posted:If anyone's in this thread but hasn't read Bacta War, you really should give it a shot. It's pulpy schlock, sure, but it's super fun anyway, and probably the closest Stackpole's books get to 'genuinely good'. (Wraiths rule, Rogues drool, of course.) Despite the book's other failings, I'll always have a soft spot Rogue Squadron because of the Lancer frigate fight. FFG needs to make a Lancer frigate.
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thespaceinvader posted:Ooryl Qrygg was The Best and it is a travesty that he hasn't got a card yet. He was basically Corran Horn's wingman and was just super-precise in everything he did. I remember (because of course I'm a huge nerd who read Star Wars EU books and remembers more about them than I do various college courses) that his big thing was that he was undergoing some ongoing test to see if he was worthy of being allowed to use personal pronouns because his people were extremely big on humility or something. I'd really like to see some more X-Wing pilots, either in the Rebel Veterans pack or some hypothetical Rogue Squadron expac.
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Some Numbers posted:FFG needs to make a Lancer frigate. They thought about it. Didn't pan out though and it lead to FFG designing the Raider. Wookiepedia posted:The Imperial Lancer-class frigate was considered for the role, but the ship's 250 meter length was considered too unwieldy for game play.
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Kai Tave posted:He was basically Corran Horn's wingman and was just super-precise in everything he did. I remember (because of course I'm a huge nerd who read Star Wars EU books and remembers more about them than I do various college courses) that his big thing was that he was undergoing some ongoing test to see if he was worthy of being allowed to use personal pronouns because his people were extremely big on humility or something. He was a Gand like Zuckuss. The deal is Gands refer to themselves based on their fame/notariety. Averge joes are just called Gand I think. People of some note get to refer to themselves by their name, and truley exceptional/noteworthy Gands can refer to themselves with personal pronouns. So sometimes if he was feeling like poo poo he'd say "Gand is sorry" if he was average he'd say "Ooryl understands" and when he became badass he'd bust out 'dem dank pronouns "I rock."
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