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Guavanaut posted:Related, Jeremy Corbyn's facebook page posted this yesterday: The difference between the Emily Davison thing and the Libertarian stuff is she was trying to affect important social stage whereas the latter just normally want to get out of speeding tickets or child support. Edit: 11 is the fourth Sophie Germain prime and the 3rd safe prime. A Sophie Germain prime is one where 2p+1 is prime and a safe prime is the result of 2p+1 in a Sophie Germain prime. StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Spangly A posted:wouldn't that be money laundering? I could run a market stall and decide that I'm only going to accept gold bullion in exact weights as barter (as long as all negotiation is before the sale, it's different for settling a tab after purchase), but I'd need to keep a ledger of transactions and their equivalent value in pounds sterling, and if I've made over a certain amount per tax year I'd have to pay taxes in pounds sterling, and if someone wanted to make a transaction over a certain value I'd need to verify their identity and keep a copy for a period of time, like cash for gold places do.
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Kim Philby: I got away with treachery 'because I was upper class'quote:Kim Philby, Britain’s most notorious cold war traitor, told an audience of East German spies after his defection that he was able to avoid being rumbled for so long because he had been “born into the British governing class”.
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On the subject of inept, this is good http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/3662a707-0af9-3149-963f-47bea720b460
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Thanks Ants posted:On the subject of inept, this is good It's by Adam Curtis, though, so I'd prefer if someone with a decent working knowledge of the subject matter went through it with a fine-toothed comb. Guy's the Dan Brown of journalism.
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kapparomeo posted:If the Grauniad had any actual dirt on Cameron himself I'm pretty sure they would have led with it instead of having to make do with innuendo from someone who's been dead for six years. Fortunately he has cleared the whole issue up by issuing an immediate definitive denial and not eg using the sort of weaselly "it's a private matter" non-denial which might sow seeds of doubt re his tax arrangements.
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kapparomeo posted:If the Grauniad had any actual dirt on Cameron himself I'm pretty sure they would have led with it instead of having to make do with innuendo from someone who's been dead for six years. you're pretty stupid even for a fascist tbh, the Guardian has had no time to get lawyers to read the papers, and you do not accuse people of crimes you can't prove they comitted in the UK unless you fancy going bankrupt
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The documents were first leaked to the press more than a year ago and have already been examined and analysed before publication. If the Guardian can't report on Cameron's perfidy, why haven't any of the other journalists in 80-plus other countries that have obtained the documents mentioned it?
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Darth Walrus posted:It's by Adam Curtis, though, so I'd prefer if someone with a decent working knowledge of the subject matter went through it with a fine-toothed comb. Til;dr version: For decades we were told spies knew what they were doing. But this was a fantasy. In reality, spies are all poo poo. This is a story of my ongoing task of digging up every piece of footage of people dancing in black & white.
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kapparomeo posted:The documents were first leaked to the press more than a year ago and have already been examined and analysed before publication. If the Guardian can't report on Cameron's perfidy, why haven't any of the other journalists in 80-plus other countries that have obtained the documents mentioned it? quote:Congratulations! I'm glad that Corbyn has won. It represents a great opportunity. If there's one thing that lefties hate more than splitters it's democracy but with Corbyn in charge the Left now have no excuses to fall back on and no Establishment conspiracy to blame - defeat will entirely be on themselves. I might be concerned that Corbynite blinding aggression and deafening volume would override sense if this was shortly before the next General Election but as it stands 4 1/2 years is plenty of time for the Corbynites to drive themselves into the ground. If Corbyn loses in 2020 then left-wing politics will be fully discredited, the Blairite post-GE claim that British elections are won in the centre will be definitvely proven, and the socialist cancer consuming the country will go into remission for another generation.
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kapparomeo posted:The documents were first leaked to the press more than a year ago and have already been examined and analysed before publication. If the Guardian can't report on Cameron's perfidy, why haven't any of the other journalists in 80-plus other countries that have obtained the documents mentioned it? they have, that's why we're talking about it as for why he's not on the front page, because having an offshore account is not a crime. You'd need to do a lot more than a years lawyer work to figure out if he's done anything wrong; whereas the icelandic PM denied personally knowing anyone at board level in any company, despite his wife having £4m or so in the banks he bailed out. There's a slight difference between filing your records in a dodgy way and lying under oath. I understand you have difficulty grasping detail, but do keep up.
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Nobody likes Davey Camham. Better to focus on Iceland inatead, most people probably have a relatively positive opinion of them so bigger scandal.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Til;dr version: For decades we were told spies knew what they were doing. But this was a fantasy. In reality, spies are all poo poo. This is a story of my ongoing task of digging up every piece of footage of people dancing in black & white. Where is this 'socialist cancer consuming the country' and how can I find out more? e: It's us, isn't it?
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How did you get this footage of Oberleutnant's family reunion?
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Spangly A posted:as for why he's not on the front page, because having an offshore account is not a crime. He is on the front page now:
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absolutely nothing will happen to Cameron as you'd need to go tooth and comb through his entire financial history to find wrongdoing, and anyone capable of doing that is not going to be interested in charging the prime minister with tax avoidance. If there's any evidence, GCHQ will know, and they will hide it. For journalists and the public, we have absolutely no way of knowing if his records are clean, because the police aren't going to go "oh that sounds a laugh, let's call in the lawyers and cuff him". Side note: he's a dirty pigfucker and he's not going to be clean. Tony Blair started a crusade and nothing will ever happen to him, so tax dodging is small potatoes.
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So in other words, you've got nothing.
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kapparomeo posted:So in other words, you've got nothing. do you remember how petulant and bitter you were lol. like within 0.3 seconds you'd posted your pre-prepared public statement to the UKMT lmao
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kapparomeo posted:So in other words, you've got nothing. actually I've got 11 million pages
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"if the guardian can't read 11 million documents in the day they've had to prepare after SDZ went ahead, then nobody has comitted a crime" - a loving moron Kapo, the actual details are being released in May. Nobody has anything. The journalists you're claiming don't have anything legal to go with are in the process of finalising these legal details and are building media attention before they do this. Your argument is idiotic to an incredible extent. e; I don't even know what your argument is. Obviously Cameron hasn't comitted a crime. That's the whole loving point of Mossack-Fonsecas operation. If your point is "Cameron did nothing wrong", he failed to disclose his father dodged taxes by banking with nazis, a fairly relevant thing for someone with security clearance. You are staggeringly stupid. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Spangly A posted:Side note: he's a dirty pigfucker and he's not going to be clean. Tony Blair started a crusade and nothing will ever happen to him, so tax dodging is small potatoes. Yeah, this is my take on the whole shebang. Blair's essentially a war criminal and he'll die fat, old, wealthy and definitively Not In Prison. Dave (HFADP) has nothing to worry about.
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kapparomeo posted:So in other words, you've got nothing. Are you looking forward to the new series of Top Gear, kapparomeo?
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Socialist cancer. Imagine living in the UK and being so detached from reality that you think the very fabric of British society and its institutions are riddled with socialism. Lmao
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quote:If Corbyn loses in 2020 then left-wing politics will be fully discredited, the Blairite post-GE claim that British elections are won in the centre will be definitvely proven, and the socialist cancer consuming the country will go into remission for another generation. And if he wins? Does that mean socialism is fully realised and capitalism destroyed? This election is going to be great.
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kapparomeo posted:The documents were first leaked to the press more than a year ago and have already been examined and analysed before publication. If the Guardian can't report on Cameron's perfidy, why haven't any of the other journalists in 80-plus other countries that have obtained the documents mentioned it? a) The FIRST of the documents were provided to SDZ one year ago. They continued to compile documents prior to announcing the leak so as to not scare the company into tightening security. This is not the same as having all the documents in a readable format for a whole year. All of what I just said is in that link you provided. It also points out the time-consuming period of OCR-ing the whole lot. b) Like with the Snowden leaks, the Graun may well be spacing the stories out so that important stories aren't lost in the cascade. c) Front page.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Are you looking forward to the new series of Top Gear, kapparomeo? Nah, not too mithered about it really. I haven't watched Top Gear in any incarnation, I'm not all that interested in cars. Besides, hasn't Hell-King Of The Underdark the despicable Clarkson moved over to Amazon Prime now, why are you lot still bothered about Top Gear anyway?
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kapparomeo posted:Nah, not too mithered about it really. I haven't watched Top Gear in any incarnation, I'm not all that interested in cars. It's a popular piece of programming that is returning to our screens soon, who wouldn't be interested?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It's a popular piece of programming that is returning to our screens soon, who wouldn't be interested? I didn't see what the big deal was about Chris Evans doing a doughnut around the Cenotaph and thought that the palava over that was a bit of an overreaction, but that's about all I've looked into it for I'm afraid.
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Serotonin posted:Socialist cancer. Everything to the left of total laissez fair capitalism and 1850s levels of worker oppression is socialist cancer you see.
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It's interesting but not particularly surprising - it's the conclusion Peter Wright and the Young Turks came to in the 1970s in their mole hunts after Philby's defection. Don't worry though, they promptly abandoned the Old Boy Network method of recruitment and went to open advertisement for posts... in 1996. Philby's always been one of the most interesting figures of the Cold War though - there's a reason he's been the basis of the main character in some of the best (and worst) spy novels and films ever written, and it's well worth reading Ben McKintyre's A Spy Among Friends or Philby's own (obviously rather self-serving and self-aggrandizing) autobiography.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It's a popular piece of programming that is returning to our screens soon, who wouldn't be interested? I'm not interested.
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Spangly A posted:absolutely nothing will happen to Cameron as you'd need to go tooth and comb through his entire financial history to find wrongdoing I know why the papers do this, but at least in this thread could we not conflate "illegal" with "wrong" and "not illegal" with "welp that's all folks, nothing to see here"? You especially I'd expect to understand the difference, and why it's an important distinction to make.
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quote:Zac Goldsmith, the Conservative candidate for London mayor, has today published an action plan for tackling extremism. It includes a commitment to an “integration test” for City Hall spending which, according to his team’s briefing, means Goldsmith as mayor would only spend money on events benefiting the whole community, not just a single group. Any group organising a religious festival would have to prove they were reaching out to all residents regardless of faith to get a grant, his team says. "cyber specials"
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dispatch_async posted:"cyber specials" 'What about straight pride parades?'
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I would vote for a law that any speech containing the words 'cyber' or 'radical' also has to contain an equal number of uses of 'tubular' or 'gnarly' to ensure the equal use of words that should have been humanely euthanized in the 90s.
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Renaissance Robot posted:I know why the papers do this, but at least in this thread could we not conflate "illegal" with "wrong" and "not illegal" with "welp that's all folks, nothing to see here"? fair point, I'd fully expect him to be doing everything within the legal boundaries of this, the largest tax haven in the world. I'd want a team of lawyers to go through his entire history and make public exploitations of any tax measures he's used in a way deemable unfair to highlight the issues of tax avoidance, but I'm generally pessimistic about the world of finance. He won't get muckraked, he won't be charged, he'll not end up on record, and he's already done the ridiculously unethical thing of not properly declaring his fathers assets to the authorities post-mortem. I can't wait til his brother steps in with his usual magic. e; seriously though audit the bacon condom prick Spangly A fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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dispatch_async posted:"wizard specials"
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Does anyone have any decent data on the cost of fighting all the legal challenges to disability benefit cuts?
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The C-specials surely.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's interesting but not particularly surprising - it's the conclusion Peter Wright and the Young Turks came to in the 1970s in their mole hunts after Philby's defection. Don't worry though, they promptly abandoned the Old Boy Network method of recruitment and went to open advertisement for posts... in 1996. The article linked at the end (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34596824) is a bit older but also has some nice bits. quote:Two members of the Cambridge spy ring were so drunken and unstable that US officials were stunned they had been employed by the Foreign Office, papers released to the National Archives show. Sounds like pretty typical Cambridge student behaviour, you haven't really lived unless you have been called a disgrace to humanity while drunkenly barfing over a restaurant table
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