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Darko posted:Nolan read every "important" Batman book, obviously, as all of the trilogy contain various aspects from those, put together. The AICN review of Dark Knight Rises is hilarious for this. I think like 2/3 of the review is about how this isn't the ***REAL*** Batman because he quit being Batman and because he was defeated by Catwoman easily and by Bane easily. Uh..... IIRC besides obviously familiarizing himself with the major stories, Batman Begins REALLY feels a lot like the animated series to me. There are a few brief moments too like the shot of Scarecrow's cronies poisoning the water supply in the asylum basement that's like 1:1 from a Scarecrow episode of the TAS. The sickly yellow and and green coloring whenever they're nearing or in the asylum, it's really cool looking and as a big fan of TAS' it really stuck me as awesome how much the film looks like a live action version of its sense of color. Also of course the microwave emitter is the dehydrator from Batman: The Movie. Bruce Wayne isn't handed a newspaper at the end of the movie, it's thrown to the ground and spins out at him just like in the same movie and series. And of course DKR's final act is "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb." with a huge budget. The Nolan trilogy begins and ends with Batman: The Movie. I also appreciated the take on the Joker in The Dark Knight because it was very very similar to his earliest appearances where his entire thing was "If I don't get ____ thing then ____ very important person will die at ____ time." and he had some crazy way to pull off the assassination no matter what because by announcing it ahead of time people would get super paranoid about having traditional protection and ignore the stupid ways in which he would actually end up doing it. In general I'm really impressed with how the three Nolan flicks are both a great criticism of Batman as a concept while simultaneously celebrating many different takes on the character in just three movies. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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The MSJ posted:That reminds me. The funniest Man of Steel video I remember was someone playing the sound of people screaming in pain over the aftermath of the Metropolis battle. It was like the offspring of Loose Change, the 9/11 truther movie, and Silent Scream, the anti-abortion video where a fetus screams in pain as it is being cut apart. It’s as if the video was saying that the people who hate Superman for ‘destroying’ Metropolis are either conspiracy nutjobs or extremist conservatives. Sounds pretty funny
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The MSJ posted:That reminds me. The funniest Man of Steel video I remember was someone playing the sound of people screaming in pain over the aftermath of the Metropolis battle. It was like the offspring of Loose Change, the 9/11 truther movie, and Silent Scream, the anti-abortion video where a fetus screams in pain as it is being cut apart. It’s as if the video was saying that the people who hate Superman for ‘destroying’ Metropolis are either conspiracy nutjobs or extremist conservatives. 
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Rhyno posted:That stupid poo poo when all the cops crawled out of the sewers with no ill effects and were able to fight Bane's army. gently caress TDKR.
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Bedshaped posted:Nolan is not really a great action director, especially close combat, something Sneider does very well. Nolan got massively criticised for the "incoherent" fight scenes in BB, IIRC. Not to mention the endless internet reposting of the fight scenes in DKR.
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Apr 8, 2016 17:50
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Yeah, Nolan got torn up for those Begins action scenes.
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Apr 8, 2016 17:55
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I loved the JGL sublot in TDKR
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Apr 8, 2016 17:57
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People really missed the point of those Begins fight scenes.
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It was part of a general backlash about shaky cam because of Michael Bay. I couldn't helieve how many people were saying they cold couldn't follow the action at all.
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Neo Rasa posted:It was part of a general backlash about shaky cam because of Michael Bay. I couldn't helieve how many people were saying they cold couldn't follow the action at all. Transformers wouldn't come out for another two years.
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That's more of a Bourne thing than Bay, the problem with Transformers was not that you couldn't see the action, the problem was that you had no idea what you were looking at because the design of the characters was so busy.
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The Bourne movies and other, shitter movies beat the shaky cam dead horse too much and Begins kept on that path.
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With Transformers 4 I was mostly annoyed by the constant aspect ratio changes. It's fine if you do it for certain scenes (The Dark Knight) or as a stylistic choice (The Grand Budapest Hotel), but if it happens constantly with no rhyme or reason it just is baffling. It's like with the Star Wars prequels when you noticed that they were going to use every single loving wipe effect. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 18:13
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The Bourne movies did shaky cam perfectly. Its their imitators that hosed it up. Greengrass is fantastic. EDIT: Like look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7UOLUMoqJQ It's like you're in the middle of it. No comic book movie has reached this level yet.
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Shageletic posted:The Bourne movies did shaky cam perfectly. Its their imitators that hosed it up. Greengrass is fantastic. I'm glad someone else said it. Greengrass really knows what the hell he's doing. One thing I always forget is how terrible the foley is in these movies. They're like cartoon sound effects.
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Mierenneuker posted:It's like with the Star Wars prequels when you noticed that they were going to use every single loving wipe effect. That's a feature, not a bug.
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A feature that bugged the hell out of me.
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Detective No. 27 posted:People really missed the point of those Begins fight scenes. What was the point?
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McCloud posted:What was the point? That you were supposed to be as disoriented as Batman's foes, presumably.
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McCloud posted:What was the point? Bruce Wayne was adopted and his real name is Daisy Johnson.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:That you were supposed to be as disoriented as Batman's foes, presumably. Basically. The fights were from their point of view. They weren't set up to show a man in a rubber suit fighting people. They're shot to give the feeling of being hunted by a strange creature.
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Shageletic posted:The Bourne movies did shaky cam perfectly. Its their imitators that hosed it up. Greengrass is fantastic. Get Greengrass to direct a Jon Bernthal Punisher movie. Or something with lots of fist-fighting.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Basically. The fights were from their point of view. They weren't set up to show a man in a rubber suit fighting people. They're shot to give the feeling of being hunted by a strange creature. I totally buy it, given that every single unobscured/well-lit shot of Batman in the next two movies makes him look like a total goon.
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The dock scene especially is set up like the first attack in Aliens but with Batman as the monster.
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The first fight scene in Batman Begins is forgivable, because yea its supposed to be disorienting as if you're one of the mooks he's hunting. But Batman fights a bunch of ninjas later in the movie and you still can't see poo poo or understand why these guys are going down like a sack of potatoes. The problem continues on for the next two movies, we very rarely get to see Batman throw and land any kind of blow in the same shot. Certainly nothing even close to what Affleck does in that trailer. Quantum of Solace is another movie that had a lot to do with the backlash against shakey cam finally coming to a head. The action in that movie is completely incomprehensible. That Bourne vs. Desh scene is a perfect example of how it can be done right though. Yea the camera is shaking, but for the most part both actors are in the shot. When there is a close-up its followed by a wider shot so that the audience can reestablish the geography of the scene.
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It can't be used as an excuse not to do choreography.
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Counterpoint: the first Bane fight is awesome, well-lit, well-shot, has good foley work, distinct character moments, callbacks to prior films, and incorporates both the participants' state of mind and personalities.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Counterpoint: the first Bane fight is awesome, well-lit, well-shot, has good foley work, distinct character moments, callbacks to prior films, and incorporates both the participants' state of mind and personalities. Mostly obscured, but yeah, I agree, as far as fight scenes go, it's the high point of the entire series.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Counterpoint: the first Bane fight is awesome, well-lit, well-shot, has good foley work, distinct character moments, callbacks to prior films, and incorporates both the participants' state of mind and personalities. Shakeycam wouldn't have worked with this fight, or any of the other fights in TDKR because the movie was about demystifying Batman and Bruce's disillusionment.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Counterpoint: the first Bane fight is awesome, well-lit, well-shot, has good foley work, distinct character moments, callbacks to prior films, and incorporates both the participants' state of mind and personalities. Its the one exception in all three movies, and I'd even say that's being generous. A lot of the effectiveness of the scene comes from the sound design(the blows really sound like they have major impact), and Bale's performance. I think its my favorite scene of his Batman because he's just so unhinged and seems almost scared that he's not able to take Bane down. Its still not a very clearly shot action scene, it just looks good in comparison to most of the others in the trilogy.
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It's relatively minor, but just in case people were wondering when Daredevil might show up in the MCU...quote:But don't look for Daredevil or Luke Cage. While it would make sense that the street level heroes of the Netflix shows would meet up with the web-slinger it seems that it's easier to make a deal between Disney and Sony than it is between Marvel movies and TV. I have talked to numerous people on both sides of the divide and have been told, by every single one, to not hold your breath on any kind of serious crossovers. Yes, it would be great - perfect, even - for Daredevil to pop up in Spider-Man, but it's almost certainly not going to happen. My sources tell me that the roadblock remains, as ever, Ike Perlmutter, who got shunted out of Marvel movies and now oversees the TV and comics side of things. Perlmutter strikes again! http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/04/08/the-mcu-will-cross-over-into-spider-mans-solo-movie
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What's wrong with the world that Nic Cage was not cast as Dr. Strange?
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Mechafunkzilla posted:What's wrong with the world that Nic Cage was not cast as Dr. Strange? Nothing, if they're saving him to play Dr. Strange villain.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:What's wrong with the world that Nic Cage was not cast as Dr. Strange? Everybody is just biding their time until Ghost Rider brings Captain America back from hell during Infinity War or whatever. Nothing is going to stop it. He went to hell for swearing that one time.
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Cage as Ghost Rider should absolutely pop up in a post credits scene at some point.
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benedict cumberbunch is good, and will probably be a good doctor strange
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Shageletic posted:
I don't want to be there though.
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Basebf555 posted:Cage as Ghost Rider should absolutely pop up in a post credits scene at some point. He's gonna show up and single handedly kick Thanos' rear end then ride off into the sunset.
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Burkion posted:He's gonna show up and single handedly kick Thanos' rear end then ride off into the sunset. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx8ob0BAkOs
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