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eSports Chaebol posted:You linked a story about Joy Karega, not Jasbir Puar as you probably intended (though she teaches at Rutgers, not Oberlin). Also, the unauthorized harvesting of organs was not done randomly by "Jews" (no individual Jewish person is responsible for the actions of any other Jewish person or people simply because of their shared Jewishness--to make such a claim is blatant anti-semitism) but at the direction of a single person, Yehuda Hiss, who harvested organs from Jews and Arabs, Israelis and Palestinians alike. My mistake, although Puar's presentation was delivered at Vassar. I don't think I have to point out the fatuousness of suggesting that anything short of explicitly claiming that Jews as a group steal the organs of non-Jews can't be antisemitic. It's just as ridiculous as implying that the Willie Horton ad wasn't racist, because it didn't claim that all black men want to rape all white women. Dabir posted:It is said that the best way to discredit something is to argue for it badly. By ypur own logic, antizionism = antisemitism, you are the moral equivalent of a Nazi, get the gently caress out. Not all antizionism is antisemitic, but some is, and there are some antisemites who attempt to portray themselves as being merely antizionist. You, for example. At least, I assume you're not comfortable with self-identifying as an antisemite. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Insect Court posted:I don't think I have to point out the fatuousness of suggesting that anything short of explicitly claiming that Jews as a group steal the organs of non-Jews can't be antisemitic. It's just as ridiculous as implying that the Willie Horton ad wasn't racist, because it didn't claim that all black men want to rape all white women. The gently caress are you talking about? You have yet to establish that ANYONE said anything about organ stealing, other than the post about the guy who actually did.
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The Kingfish posted:http://www.timesofisrael.com/barghouti-plans-nonviolent-bid-to-free-west-bank-east-jerusalem/ I expect to see great appreciation and enthusiasm for for this attempt at non-violence on behalf of those invested parties who have made clear that it is a pre-requisite for cooperation.
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# ? Apr 11, 2016 20:55 |
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Xander77 posted:Goddamn it Gabe. Three games worth of character development wasted, and you're back to being a douchebag. Grace really should have left you to die. This is a good joke. Cheers.
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# ? Apr 11, 2016 21:36 |
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The Insect Court posted:My mistake, although Puar's presentation was delivered at Vassar. captainblastum posted:Are you ever going to address the questions that people have asked you repeatedly? Also - since you're going to flat out call Dabir an anti-semite, could you explain how you reached that conclusion as well?
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# ? Apr 11, 2016 21:42 |
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TIC has fully embraced the mindset that Jews bear a collective responsibility for their acts since they share some common cultural/genetic heritage. Thus an attribution of a bad or criminal act against a single Jew must be an attack on the Jewish people and is anti-semitic. It's sad to see someone so strongly enmeshed in a horribly racist attitude regarding a large and diverse group of people but there you go, TIC is once again propounding a fundamentally racist viewpoint while not addressing specific questions because they're difficult.
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Tic is either a troll or a hosed up weirdo, either way you might as well yell at a wall for all the good it's going to do you.
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The Insect Court posted:I don't think I have to point out the fatuousness of suggesting that anything short of explicitly claiming that Jews as a group steal the organs of non-Jews can't be antisemitic. It's just as ridiculous as implying that the Willie Horton ad wasn't racist, because it didn't claim that all black men want to rape all white women. Uh, my point specifically is that you are being an insistent, virulent anti-semite by repeatedly and insistently posting anti-semitic tropes, which only makes it all the more bizarre that you are complaining about others being anti-semitic. You paraphrased a person who accused Israeli doctors of stealing organs as accusing Jews of stealing organs. Insisting that Jews in general are responsible for the actions of Israel (in this case, actions of an Israeli that were almost surely not even state-sanctioned!) is itself a form of anti-semitism. Perhaps your perception of anti-Zionism as a codeword for anti-semitism is simply a result of your assumption that Israel and Judaism are the same thing?
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The Insect Court posted:My mistake, although Puar's presentation was delivered at Vassar. Pretty sure the only negative opinion I've expressed in this thread is about you, because you should get the gently caress out.
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MrNemo posted:TIC has fully embraced the mindset that Jews bear a collective responsibility for their acts since they share some common cultural/genetic heritage. Thus an attribution of a bad or criminal act against a single Jew must be an attack on the Jewish people and is anti-semitic. It's sad to see someone so strongly enmeshed in a horribly racist attitude regarding a large and diverse group of people but there you go, TIC is once again propounding a fundamentally racist viewpoint while not addressing specific questions because they're difficult. This is deep into "you lie-berals are the real racists, we conservatives don't even see race!" territory. Do you really not see how even if you begin with what is a factual occurrence(a single Israeli medical examiner is found to have removed and sold tissue and organs from bodies in his morgue, including those of both Palestinians and IDF soldiers), by contextualizing and presenting it in a way that is reminiscent of what are unquestionably antisemitic slurs("The IDF kidnaps and kills Palestinians for their organs!") even if you don't literally reiterate the same slur("Israeli Jews kidnap Christian children to drain them of their blood and perform their fiendish rituals!")? captainblastum posted:Also - since you're going to flat out call Dabir an anti-semite, could you explain how you reached that conclusion as well? Dabir posted:Don't engage with the single biggest argument in favour of antisemitism itt, just tell him to gently caress off and move on with your life. Seems an eminently reasonable conclusion, assuming one isn't working off a "I don't see a swastika tattoo, therefore not antisemitic" sort of standard.
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captainblastum posted:Are you ever going to address the questions that people have asked you repeatedly?
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The Insect Court posted:This is deep into "you lie-berals are the real racists, we conservatives don't even see race!" territory. Do you really not see how even if you begin with what is a factual occurrence(a single Israeli medical examiner is found to have removed and sold tissue and organs from bodies in his morgue, including those of both Palestinians and IDF soldiers), by contextualizing and presenting it in a way that is reminiscent of what are unquestionably antisemitic slurs("The IDF kidnaps and kills Palestinians for their organs!") even if you don't literally reiterate the same slur("Israeli Jews kidnap Christian children to drain them of their blood and perform their fiendish rituals!")? Right yeah thanks, I think I forgot to clarify that what with getting probied. What I was saying there was that if Hitler had won, we wouldn't have to put up with your posting. Now gently caress off.
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The Insect Court posted:barp barp barp barp barp barp barp barp barpbarp barp barp barp barpbarpbarp barp barp barpbarpbarpbarpbarpbarp barpbarpbarpbarp barp barp barp barp barp barpbarp barp barp barp
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That's an incredibly tasteless joke, but doesn't make Dabir an anti-semite.
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The Insect Court posted:Do you really not see how even if you begin with what is a factual occurrence, by contextualizing and presenting it in a way that is reminiscent of what are unquestionably antisemitic slurs even if you don't literally reiterate the same slur? Strawman. Also incomplete sentence.
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Is there a way to filter his posts in the thread so they just say barp?
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uninterrupted fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Stop getting trolled, you idiots. Besides, who here has any right to get their hackles up over vague insinuations of racism, considering how many of us have hurled that exact accusation at people in the I/P threads? Deflect it and move on. This entire page, so far, has been nothing more than people shitposting either at or (more often) about TIC. How about some content or discussion? And while I am happy to provide material to kick-start things, it doesn't mean much if everyone's going to ignore it because they're too busy hurling one-liners and abuse. Personally, I'm not too worried about anti-Semitism accusations from the kinds of people who write poo poo like this:quote:Curbing the self-loathing Jewish defamers of Israel
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Main Paineframe posted:Stop getting trolled, you idiots. Besides, who here has any right to get their hackles up over vague insinuations of racism, considering how many of us have hurled that exact accusation at people in the I/P threads? Deflect it and move on. This entire page, so far, has been nothing more than people shitposting either at or (more often) about TIC. How about some content or discussion? A lot of SA posters avoid this thread because it is considered a hotbed of anti-Semitism, and presumably a fair amount have decided on that after reading or skimming some pages of the thread. As long as TIC is allowed to post in this thread and posts things that appear reasonable on a surface reading, I think it's important to call out his bullshit in a reasoned fashion. Telling him to gently caress off or posting poo poo like Dabir posted:Right yeah thanks, I think I forgot to clarify that what with getting probied. What I was saying there was that if Hitler had won, we wouldn't have to put up with your posting. Now gently caress off. is what fucks up the thread. Main Paineframe posted:And while I am happy to provide material to kick-start things, it doesn't mean much if everyone's going to ignore it because they're too busy hurling one-liners and abuse. Personally, I'm not too worried about anti-Semitism accusations from the kinds of people who write poo poo like this: This is also a pretty good example of stuff that seems reasonable on a surface reading. It has some red flags like "self-loathing Jews" and "most moral army in the world," but claims like Hamas using human shields and the UN having a bias against Jews are considered factually true in most Western media.
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uninterrupted posted:dude. Well I didn't know that at the time.
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Main Paineframe posted:Stop getting trolled, you idiots. Besides, who here has any right to get their hackles up over vague insinuations of racism, considering how many of us have hurled that exact accusation at people in the I/P threads? Deflect it and move on. This entire page, so far, has been nothing more than people shitposting either at or (more often) about TIC. How about some content or discussion? And while I am happy to provide material to kick-start things, it doesn't mean much if everyone's going to ignore it because they're too busy hurling one-liners and abuse. Personally, I'm not too worried about anti-Semitism accusations from the kinds of people who write poo poo like this: I got to most moral army in the world an my eyes glazed over.
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drilldo squirt posted:I got to most moral army in the world an my eyes glazed over. Same. If you have to clarify that your army is the most moral, you probably aren't the most moral.
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The most moral army in the world is the Costa Rican army, obviously.
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Brainiac Five posted:The most moral army in the world is the Costa Rican army, obviously. Unironically this. Get rid of all armies.
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Kajeesus posted:A lot of SA posters avoid this thread because it is considered a hotbed of anti-Semitism, Source?
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eSports Chaebol posted:Perhaps your perception of anti-Zionism as a codeword for anti-semitism is simply a result of your assumption that Israel and Judaism are the same thing? I think this is the most important point in this recent back-and-forth. At least with respect to the pro-Israel arguments aimed at the American Jewish community, the identification of Judaism with the state of Israel seems to be the overall approach. For example, I mentioned earlier the agree/disagree exercise we did on my Birthright trip (which was framed as a way to see what we've learned). The last statement we had to respond to was "The state of Israel represents the ultimate expression of my Jewish identity." I think seeing antisemitism in all pro-Palestinian activism is either a component of this strategy, or a consequence of the mindset.
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It's in the interest of both Zionists and anti-Semites to confuse the issue. Zionists can use it to dismiss attacks on Zionism or Israel as racism, and anti-Semites can use BDS and Anti-Zionism as fig leaves for prejudice against jews as a whole.
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Two links of interest that aren't hidden behind a paywall: We can rely on our youth. I wonder if there's some sort of a connection between those opinions that the writer openly supports, and those he has to pretend he disapproves of. Truly a mystery for the ages. ... Can anyone tell me whether this (old) opinion piece about Israel supposedly working with ISIS makes sense?
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Xander77 posted:Can anyone tell me whether this (old) opinion piece about Israel supposedly working with ISIS makes sense? It reads like conspiracy garbage, mixing a healthy dose of "just plain wrong" with a bunch of veiled accusations about "well isn't this just convenient for Israel". The article that that one was written in response to is poo poo too, but just because a lovely tabloid trumped up a think tank's mildly misleading report doesn't necessarily mean that the truth must be the exact opposite of what they said.
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Nevvy Z posted:Source?
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# ? Apr 14, 2016 06:21 |
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When you think everything is antisemitism, you'll see antisemitism everywhere. Meanwhile Israel is making another 200 illegal homes in the west bank for illegal settlers and settlers can shittalk with impunity outside the trial of settler murderers: https://www.facebook.com/afnan.yosef/posts/10206514438521957
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El'or Azaria, the executioner from Tel Rumeyda, has been officially indicted with manslaughter by the military prosecutor.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:El'or Azaria, the executioner from Tel Rumeyda, has been officially indicted with manslaughter by the military prosecutor. Utterly ridiculous that it's not a murder charge.
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Manslaughter is the equivalent of murder of the second degree, maximum punishment 20 years in the big house. It's a serious accusation. The main legal difference between manslaughter and murder in Israeli law is the ability to prove a 'premeditated intent', now obviously it looks like there was obvious premeditated intent in this case but Israeli law is very nitpicky in its definition of premeditated intent and generally doesn't consider 'spur of the moment' crimes to qualify as Murder. I posted a few pages back a case where some guy stabbed another guy twenty times and the court decreed it was merely manslaughter as it could not be proved that the assailant 'left his home with the intention of seeking victims to murder'. So yeah, I wouldn't make a huge fuss about this particular distinction given the precedents in Israeli law, I would however wait to see that the accusations don't further degrade as the trial progresses. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Apr 14, 2016 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:El'or Azaria, the executioner from Tel Rumeyda, has been officially indicted with manslaughter by the military prosecutor.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Manslaughter is the equivalent of murder of the second degree, maximum punishment 20 years in the big house. It's a serious accusation. And yet murder carries a life sentence with minimum 30 years sentence. I'm not convinced that premeditation in Israeli law is so different to malice aforethought in UK law.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Manslaughter is the equivalent of murder of the second degree, maximum punishment 20 years in the big house. It's a serious accusation. While all this is true, I'd still like to contrast it with another case in which a Palestinian is facing the same charge of manslaughter. quote:A Palestinian truck driver suspected of running over and killing an Israeli man last year as part of the ongoing wave of terror attacks will face a reduced charge of manslaughter. This one caught my eye in part because I remember when it originally happened. Initial reports claimed that the victim was "forced to stop" by a Palestinian roadblock, or that he was safely off the road "inspecting the damage to his vehicle" when he was hit, with many right-wing articles portraying it as a terrorist attack and even suggesting that the truck driver was in league with the stone-throwers and that the whole thing was an elaborate terror conspiracy. However, photographs soon surfaced that clearly showed him walking into the road with a big wooden club in his hand, emerging from behind an SUV parked in the middle of the road (presumably his own) straight into the path of an oncoming truck, and swinging his club at the oncoming truck as the driver spots him and attempts to perform a last-minute swerve without crashing himself. Just look at that vile terrorist truck driver preparing to deliberately run down a helpless civilian who was thrust into danger by brutal Palestinian attackers, who then summoned that brutal terror truck to finish the job! How dare that Jew-hating terrorist face the same sentence as the heroic soldier who saved his unit from a potential suicide bomber...oh, wait, I was trying to make some kind of point somewhere, wasn't I? Got a bit carried away. Anyway, while I do think the manslaughter charge is appropriate for the soldier, this case shows that prosecutors have no problem pushing legally inappropriate trumped-up charges on a Palestinian - manslaughter in Israeli law means an intentional killing, and a traffic accident would typically fall under the scope of negligent homicide. It's particularly interesting that even the manslaughter charge is "reduced" from the originally-planned murder charge. It'll be interesting to see who ends up with the harsher sentence.
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Apparently, Israeli top government officials discussed the Fight Against Terrorism with an ultra-right-wing neo-nazi. I can't decide if once I'm over my issues if I should become an activist here or just run away and at most come to visit family once in a while.
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It's a testament to how much the oppressor hates and fears the oppressed that israeli lawmakers would rather work with nazis than palestinians.
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Nevvy Z posted:Source? Well, I'm admittedly extrapolating from like two non-Baloogan forums posts I've read. Call it an exaggeration. drilldo squirt posted:It's a testament to how much the oppressor hates and fears the oppressed that israeli lawmakers would rather work with nazis than palestinians. Also that the neo-nazi thinks Israel has the right ideas and that this is apparently a good thing.
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