FanaticalMilk posted:

That fix still doesn't bring the input lag down to where it was for Ultra Street Fighter IV or any other fighting game for that matter. I think the issue is decreasing the input lag after you've removed the vsync issues, that's where the engine rewrite issues come up.

Gammatron 64 posted:

8 frames of input lag sucks and is bad, but I heard that the first time and the 9789123020983 other times and eventually it gets kind of annoying.

Like, look, I'm not saying that I want this thread to be a hugbox that waxes poetic about how wonderful SFV is and where criticism isn't allowed, because the game has some pretty major problems and Capcom hosed up big time. But this thread is kind of like the opposite extreme. Like, a happy medium would be a reasoned discussion but this thread is like in a state of constant flamewar. Like, it's cool to crack jokes making fun of the game, but the impression I get is that more often than not, people seem legitimately riled up here.

dangerdoom volvo posted:

You seem riled up here

Gammatron 64 posted:

8 frames of input lag sucks and is bad, but I heard that the first time and the 9789123020983 other times and eventually it gets kind of annoying.

Like, look, I'm not saying that I want this thread to be a hugbox that waxes poetic about how wonderful SFV is and where criticism isn't allowed, because the game has some pretty major problems and Capcom hosed up big time. But this thread is kind of like the opposite extreme. Like, a happy medium would be a reasoned discussion but this thread is like in a state of constant flamewar. Like, it's cool to crack jokes making fun of the game, but the impression I get is that more often than not, people seem legitimately riled up here.

AnonSpore posted:

A few hours ago they put up a tweet announcing that they would push a fix for ragequitting (a problem that was solved in SFIV)

AnonSpore posted:

I am not riled up at all. I make jokes about SFV because the things that are being discovered about it are loving hilarious. I'm not just talking about stuff everyone knows like 9 FRAMES. I'm talking about new and exciting things that are being discovered in real time like floating point inconsistencies and Alex allowing for literal time travel and Capcom not even acknowledging that any of this exists at all. A few hours ago they put up a tweet announcing that they would push a fix for ragequitting (a problem that was solved in SFIV) sometime this month, over two months after the release of the time, and that's a problem that they've actually bothered to acknowledge. Even if you love SFV and think it's the best game ever you have to admit that's worth a laugh.

Gammatron 64 posted:

Oh, for sure. The posts that poke fun at the game and how utterly broken it is are actually pretty entertaining.

It's weird though, because stuff like the Alex bug are funny, but they're also like, extremely embarrassing and depressing, too. Like, you can have heated arguments about character balance and how certain game mechanics ruin a game, yadda yadda yadda, but nobody can really deny that Capcom botched this game hardcore. They are so in over their heads.

Zand says there hasn't been a good SF game in over 20 years, but after SFV has run it's course, we probably won't see another Street Fighter game for about 20 years with how well this game is selling.

Gammatron 64 posted:

I dunno, he's not wrong, Japanese developers traditionally don't give a gently caress about what anyone thinks and will make their game the way they want to make it, the desires of their consumers be damned. They really don't care what you have to say. You just have to vote with your wallet because that's what sends a message. If you don't like the game, don't buy it, don't buy the season pass, and trade in your copy if you already got it because if somebody buys it used, that's money Capcom isn't getting. Usually Japanese devs will only do a big 180 and listen is if you have a huge bomb on your hands like Final Fantasy XIV 1.0.

General Morden posted:

http://shoryuken.com/2016/02/24/street-fighter-vs-first-week-sales-fail-to-match-street-fighter-ivs-in-japan/

Lemon-Lime posted:

It seems like the general fighting game thread would be a better place to discuss how SF5's design is negatively impacting other fighting games, rather than a bunch of people only posting in this thread to go "SF5 is bad, Capcom more like Crapcom hyuk hyuk."

Fereydun posted:

to be fair, what else is there to talk about
well i guess we could always go back to talking about burgers or jojos


or maybe dark souls?? hmm

NecroMonster posted:

of course a bunch of you already made the choice to support this pile of loving poo poo game despite being warned, again and again, ahead of time

so, thank you for more bad games

NecroMonster posted:

of course a bunch of you already made the choice to support this pile of loving poo poo game despite being warned, again and again, ahead of time

so, thank you for more bad games

NecroMonster posted:

of course a bunch of you already made the choice to support this pile of loving poo poo game despite being warned, again and again, ahead of time

so, thank you for more bad games

NecroMonster posted:

This is going to be a good game

Alfalfa The Roach posted:

We have to keep Capcom alive long enough so that Ono can realize his dream of Nintendo vs. Capcom

SectumSempra posted:

memeing and poo poo posting vs discussion

Hobojim posted:

Booyah- posted:

I consider myself a poo poo poster for sure, but there's a third category you missed of actual funny posts

SectumSempra posted:

Has sf4 had any huge NEGATIVE impact on any of the humongous amount of fighters that came between vanilla sf4 and sf5?


I'd personally say no. If anything, other games have had a negative impact on sf5 lol.

-lovely rollback is capcoms attempt at whoever had good rollback netcode (?) also this is bad but it isn't literally kof 13 unplayable so I can see the hyperbole there
-Monetizing is from the free to play and poo poo happening, dlc fighters worked out super well for MK and I'm guessing Ki's model seemed like something they could slap on after seeing KI.
Like it sounds dandy because 'lolz i can earn my dlc' but after seeing the game, it feels like we're just continuing to fund a game that was rushed out because capcom sniffed sony dollars. we can't change it though
-the miscellaneous glitches and missing normals etc is also due to the whiff of Sony money
-the only challenege mode in fg history I've completed for every character?
-Input lag, rush, rushed and un-optimized game.
-Shittier designs on some characters than others, rushed design.
-Other poo poo ~rushed game

This combined with Capcom trying to bring itself to MK levels of organization is likely whats causing this.

While its totally interesting to discuss, theres a clear distinction between just memeing and poo poo posting vs discussion,
also note, i really love both, so get on with it and move on. This thread is slow as poo poo for a newer game anyhow.

Srice posted:

It's a really weird view because you don't see that sort of bitching in other genres

Nobody is bitching about how Call of Duty is ruining FPS games for everyone, because if they did they'd (correctly) be called a crazy person.

Srice posted:

It's a really weird view because you don't see that sort of bitching in other genres

Nobody is bitching about how Call of Duty is ruining FPS games for everyone, because if they did they'd (correctly) be called a crazy person.

Pomp posted:

CoD and Halo's success are exactly to blame for shooters becoming slow and boring actually.

Srice posted:

It's a really weird view because you don't see that sort of bitching in other genres

Nobody is bitching about how Call of Duty is ruining FPS games for everyone, because if they did they'd (correctly) be called a crazy person.

NecroMonster posted:

man it's weird how the first beta gave people good impressions of the game and then all following betas burned those impressions at the stake

General Morden posted:

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Street-Fighter-5-PC-Didn-t-Do-So-Hot-Its-First-Week-Sales-120897.html

https://www.vg247.com/2016/02/22/street-fighter-5-number-2-uk-charts-black-ops-3-record/

http://shoryuken.com/2016/02/24/street-fighter-vs-first-week-sales-fail-to-match-street-fighter-ivs-in-japan/

casuals don't give a poo poo about this game

Alfalfa The Roach posted:

The only shooters within the last several years that I would call "interesting" are Vanquish and SUPERHOT. Everything else just blends together for me

Hobojim posted:

It is weird, isn't it? Unfortunately for the masses, that's about when preorders were on sale prices and gave people access to the betas, so no, those people weren't warned time and time again. If anything, it's yet another indictment on preordering games, but as people pointed out in the thread around that time, too, "I'll play it anyway because it'll be the only thing with an active playerbase."

Srice posted:

Overwatch is legit cool and it's gonna be huge.