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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q6utsksoFY
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Is there any in-setting explanation for why computers/displays/tech in general looks so much more advanced in the PT than it does in the OT? Like, some throwaway line in Rebels or something that says "yeah, ever since the empire came in, it's been really difficult to source spare parts for the fancy old stuff" or whatever? The mention of the holographic UI on board the Finalizer reminded me, I thought they did well at balancing the shabby industrial aesthetic of the OT with the sorts of high-tech eye candy you'd expect from a sci-fi film made this decade: Does a good job of convincing the viewer that it's actually been three decades since Jedi. Like, check it out, it looks like Good Star Wars but it's set a while later, so, obviously, people have access to kit that's a bit nicer these days. Also, maybe a stretch, but it being way less of a gap in apparent level of technological sophistication than that between the OT and the prequels emphasises just how badly the fall of the old republic hosed things up for everyone.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 11:35 |
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I still don't understand why Captain Phasma was used for nothing, and "killed" offscreen, even! I mean, she's the most centered character on the poster!
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 11:39 |
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Why wasn't there a concealed panic button? When Phasma turned and said "You will not get away with this", I was 100% sure she sabotaged their plan. Hubris, man.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 11:45 |
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Has anyone pointed out how similar Von sydow's village is to the Tusken Camp in Episode 2?
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 11:47 |
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sinking belle posted:Is there any in-setting explanation for why computers/displays/tech in general looks so much more advanced in the PT than it does in the OT? Like, some throwaway line in Rebels or something that says "yeah, ever since the empire came in, it's been really difficult to source spare parts for the fancy old stuff" or whatever? We know they're evil because they're in the dark
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 11:58 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:FN exemplifies a major issue that I've noted: Why do you keep using his slave name?
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 12:30 |
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jivjov posted:Of the village being force-worshippers? Novelization and visual dictionary. "Don't tell me it's in a loving book!!!!" - Plinkett review man
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 12:49 |
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Gonz posted:I'm apathetic on the prequels, but I will absolutely watch them if I run across them on TV, which is almost never. TNT runs them in December usually, right? There are so many commercials though.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 12:57 |
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Mortanis posted:God drat it SMG how many times do people have to tell you that you don't get to offer subjective feelings about what a movie is or isn't saying/addressing as objective fact? Uh ... You are replying to the wrong poster. Cnut is nothing like SMG.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 12:58 |
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Mortanis posted:God drat it SMG how many times do people have to tell you that you don't get to offer subjective feelings about what a movie is or isn't saying/addressing as objective fact? As an aside, this has always been and remains the dumbest kind of nitpick.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 14:10 |
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euphronius posted:Uh ... You are replying to the wrong poster. Cnut is nothing like SMG. We are all
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 14:13 |
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PBS Newshour posted:WHAT TOYS ARE YOU GIVING TO YOUR CHILDREN Hopefully not Star Wars ones, we don't need child services here again.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 14:14 |
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THE BAR posted:I still don't understand why Captain Phasma was used for nothing, and "killed" offscreen, even! She suffered from Boba Fett Syndrome; she was always a bit character, but the marketing team correctly predicted that people would love her costume. Odds are that she'll have a more prominent role in the next episode.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 14:50 |
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sinking belle posted:Is there any in-setting explanation for why computers/displays/tech in general looks so much more advanced in the PT than it does in the OT? Most of what we see in the OT is either really old freighters, scrounged military tech, or incredibly brutalist designs from the Empire. Like again, to go back to the Vietnam analogy - imagine the OT was set entirely in Vietnam, and the only thing we got to see was SE Asians in tiny villages and the occasional US troop supply. Now imagine the OT was in 1950s America, and not the crappy parts either but like New York and Chicago and stuff like that. Also if you actually look at the technology, there is a sense of progression. The Starfighters in AOTC can't go into Hyperspace without an attached peripheral, while the X-Wings can do so all on their own, for example. But to answer your question - it seems more advanced in the PT because it's shinier.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 15:00 |
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Neurolimal posted:What makes Jar Jar's role in the army more selfless than any other Gunga soldier? He had been banished by his people. He had no reason to go back to them and stand among them to fight. And yet he did.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 15:02 |
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computer parts posted:
Something that bugged me is that the naboo star fighter, which looks and feels to me like a short range fighter, has hyperspace capability as they fly in with the queens ship in aotc. Jedis got robbed man they ships worse than a naboo
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 15:06 |
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Jerkface posted:Something that bugged me is that the naboo star fighter, which looks and feels to me like a short range fighter, has hyperspace capability as they fly in with the queens ship in aotc. Jedis got robbed man they ships worse than a naboo Space Kingdom vs Space Monks? Yeah, Space Kingdom should have the better ships. Space Hare Krishnas should be tooling around in their version of a Gremlin.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 15:17 |
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Neurolimal posted:She suffered from Boba Fett Syndrome; she was always a bit character, but the marketing team correctly predicted that people would love her costume. IIRC they said outright she'll do more. I think part of the problem too is that her scene with Finn/shutting down the shields was a last second re-shoot. So she ended up getting just enough screen time that her not being more prominent was noticeable.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 15:25 |
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computer parts posted:
The prequel trilogy has a bit of an Art Deco feel to it where a lot of things place style as high as or higher than substance. Some trains looked like this in the '30s
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 15:29 |
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One thing that has always impressed me about the SW films is the stylistic contrast between the OT and the PT. The "used future" look of the OT is underscored and enhanced by the PT, where everything is shiny and new looking. It serves to show just how bad things are under the Empire, and how far downhill life has gone. It's a subtle and often overlooked aspect of the movies that I really enjoy. In TFA they have that alien arch design from McQuarrie that gets destroyed by the Millennium Falcon on Jakku, which is a scene that I love. An iconic OT prop destroys something that looks like it belongs in the older era of the PT, which to me signals that there is no going back. The Republic is dead (which is mirrored later on when the Death Star blows up the New Republic) and all they can do is move forward. Flying through the ruined husks of old Star Destroyers is a nice way of showing how the OT is also behind us.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 15:42 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Consider, for example, Beowulf. What does TFA express about fantastical creatures that Beowulf does not. Beowulf tells us not to gently caress Angelina Jolie because she's a demon and that competent, immersive 3D was possible back in 2007 so why haven't you been able to get it right since then you penny-pinching Hollywood fat cats??? (Avatar not withstanding, but even Avatar wasn't as good as Beowulf.) The number of grown adults trying to grab the destroyer in TFA screenings was pretty adorable though.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 15:42 |
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Serf posted:In TFA they have that alien arch design from McQuarrie that gets destroyed by the Millennium Falcon on Jakku, which is a scene that I love. An iconic OT prop destroys something that looks like it belongs in the older era of the PT, which to me signals that there is no going back. The Republic is dead (which is mirrored later on when the Death Star blows up the New Republic) and all they can do is move forward. Flying through the ruined husks of old Star Destroyers is a nice way of showing how the OT is also behind us. jurassic world did this when the kids burned that "when dinosaurs roamed the earth" banner to make a torch
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 16:44 |
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One thing I like is that the monstrous planet sized reincarnation of darth vader dies to save Vader's grandson, Ben, and in doing so is reborn as a hayden christensen-esque new sun. Poetry etc (although I wonder if this will now be in reverse order, with the 'saved' kylo becoming darker and darker rather than being saved from the darkness ala Luke, gimme the goods Rian) Jerkface fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 18:10 |
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Ren/Snoke have a strange convo where they refer to being seduced by the light/"Jedi side" of the Force and Ren affirms that he will not be tempted, but Snoke is not completely convinced. In the past, it was always the struggle not to lust for power or become too attached, not to be taken over by hate/anger/fear so as to not become a dirty Sith, but this convo presents those ideals as something that can be just as tempting, and from a certain point of view undesirable. I think this goes along with Ren not calling himself Darth Coolanimes, they are trying to depart the NT from strictly Jedi or Sith options. However, this is also the direction of both tv shows so I think my opinion may be influenced by that. e: I still have a really hard time imagining they would make Ren anything approaching a good guy or have him redeemed after he killed Han Solo though. He's just going to go his own way or whatever, probably end up with no one on his side. turtlecrunch fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Apr 20, 2016 |
# ? Apr 20, 2016 18:11 |
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Just one reason it's a rad fuckin film
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 18:39 |
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One thing everyone can agree on: TFA needed 400% more dad jokes
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 19:11 |
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Kylo Ren did nothing wrong.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 19:19 |
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turtlecrunch posted:e: I still have a really hard time imagining they would make Ren anything approaching a good guy or have him redeemed after he killed Han Solo though. He's just going to go his own way or whatever, probably end up with no one on his side. What will be hard to accept will be the ham-handed way everyone will accept him for killing Han among other atrocities. I'd love for there to be a deep exploration of what it means to be a "reformed" monster but have to live with the consequences of the past but I don't believe that will happen. The final minutes of episode IX will be Leia will hating him for two minutes then forgiving him. Luke also forgive him and then recruit him to help restore the Jedi order (that Ben helped destroy to begin with).
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 20:31 |
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Neurolimal posted:One thing everyone can agree on: TFA needed 400% more dad jokes Harrison Fords delivery of 'move, ball' is the only highlight in a turd movie
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 22:34 |
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Ammanas posted:Harrison Fords delivery of basically every line is the only highlight
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 22:51 |
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Ammanas posted:Harrison Fords delivery of 'move, ball' is the only highlight in a turd movie I'm partial to "This is not how I thought this day would go" and "...did you just call me 'Solo'?" jivjov fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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I don't think Kylo is so much going to be redeemed as much as we, and the protagonists are going to eventually learn that he has a good reason to have done most everything he's done. He killed Han Solo because within the framework of the franchise, Han Solo needs to die. In the same way, I think there's going to be an in-story reason that the Empire needs to be restored. Kylo is Ozymandias from Watchmen, Finn is Nite Owl, Rey is Rorschach, Luke is Dr. Manhattan. General Dog fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Toilet Mouth posted:I don't think Kylo is so much going to be redeemed as much as we, and the protagonists are going to eventually learn that he has a good reason to have done most everything he's done. He killed Han Solo because within the framework of the franchise, Han Solo needs to die. In the same way, I think there's going to be an in-story reason that the Empire needs to be restored. I have to admit, that would certainly be a bold direction to take the series in. But it's weird to me that after so many years of people clamoring for a new set of movies that would be "respectful" of the OT (unlike the hated PT was), everyone now seems to be on board for a trilogy which nukes all the OT heroes' accomplishments while rewriting the narrative so that they were never even positive accomplishments in the first place: Han and Leia are actually a disaster as a couple, Luke isn't actually the new hope the galaxy needed, replacing the Empire with a New Republic was actually a fool's errand all along, etc. And yet people went ballistic over the PT revealing that Obi-Wan wasn't a perfect teacher and he and Anakin had a rocky relationship despite being friends.....things which were actually already baked into the narrative of the OT itself. The point of the OT was that Luke was a new hope who could succeed where his elders had once failed. That was the story, and the PT was perfectly faithful to it. I can't say the same for the ST so far.
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# ? Apr 20, 2016 23:39 |
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Cnut the Great posted:everyone now seems to be on board There are plenty of people in here bashing Ep. VII
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# ? Apr 21, 2016 01:01 |
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Captain Splendid posted:The prequel trilogy has a bit of an Art Deco feel to it where a lot of things place style as high as or higher than substance. Art Deco. Very nice.
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# ? Apr 21, 2016 02:14 |
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nvm
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# ? Apr 21, 2016 02:14 |
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harrison ford was by far the worst part and i'm glad he died what so he won't drag episode viii down too
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Toilet Mouth posted:I don't think Kylo is so much going to be redeemed as much as we, and the protagonists are going to eventually learn that he has a good reason to have done most everything he's done. He killed Han Solo because within the framework of the franchise, Han Solo needs to die. In the same way, I think there's going to be an in-story reason that the Empire needs to be restored. My read on it is along these lines, that with his talk of being seduced by the light side, his mission is to grow in the dark side, but not for its own sake. I think he's genuinely regretful at having to kill Han, that wasn't an act. It's not so much that within the narrative Han as himself needs to die, but that Kylo has to kill his own father, whom he respects and loves more than anyone or anything else, as a sort of initiation ritual. Granted I've still only seen it once and I dont remember all the dialogue, but I don't recall thinking he's playing a long con against Snoke or anything like that, but that Snoke's motive is somehow, if not "good," then at least pragmatic, as I recall the old EU rationale for Palpatine's takong over the Republic through war was not simply a quest for power, but to build up the galactic military to fight off the extragalactic invasion of the later books, which he foresaw. I don't think that works for Palpatine, but from what we've seen of Snoke he doesn't seem to be cackling as he revels in evil for its own sake.
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