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cZk
Oct 6, 2014

i am a flight risk
and i am in flight

Zak2k12 posted:

I guess my point is: don't stress it. Just do the things that seem fun to you at the time.

Right on, looking forward to just relaxing and hopefully meeting some people to play with when I get far enough along.

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Dalael
Oct 14, 2014
Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

Crell posted:

I know this gets said a lot, but I feel really lost if there is no fleet I can join. This is just a way for me to figure out some of the basic fundamentals of other parts of the game. I don't even know what mining, scanning, exploring and all that other poo poo looks like.

I know what you mean. I've been ship spinning a lot when there's no fleet. I kinda got bored of it and decided that I was doing something about it. I bought myself a swordfleet interceptor (cheap enough that i don't care about losing it) and I've been traveling up and down the pipe in Fade, and warping to random anomalies in the hopes of catching people unaware. Although I have no kills yet (or loses) I ~almost~ nabbed a Vexor Navy issue that managed to warp out just before I get into scram range. I also almost lost my ship to another Vexor navy issue that was baiting me. I also had to dodge a bunch of gate camps in 01Y and I ~think~ a few guys formed up just to try and catch me.

I've been having lots of fun. :keke:

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
Apologies for not having been around much this weekend but everything people are saying about RVCMF is true. The Corp is newbie not the players. You can be anyone at all and have a place in the Corp as a superfly. Mine, chat, chill. That's the idea behind it! :)

Also I did debate whether or not to show my bulletins with the thread but I am ok with them leaking out instead. It's fun to pretend to be a boss :3:

Tangerines
Apr 25, 2016

Dalael posted:

I know what you mean. I've been ship spinning a lot when there's no fleet. I kinda got bored of it and decided that I was doing something about it. I bought myself a swordfleet interceptor (cheap enough that i don't care about losing it) and I've been traveling up and down the pipe in Fade, and warping to random anomalies in the hopes of catching people unaware. Although I have no kills yet (or loses) I ~almost~ nabbed a Vexor Navy issue that managed to warp out just before I get into scram range. I also almost lost my ship to another Vexor navy issue that was baiting me. I also had to dodge a bunch of gate camps in 01Y and I ~think~ a few guys formed up just to try and catch me.

I've been having lots of fun. :keke:

I've been scanning for wormholes in Saranen and surrounding when there's been a lull in fleets. Ended up gate camping in Provi the other day. Would have died to a group that formed up to kill me had I not been flying a Curse and been able to neut out the tackle. Fun times to be had with wormholes. You can literally end up anywhere.

Zak2k12
Dec 23, 2008

"I looked back once to the empty place where my dream had come true. Such is the stuff."
Wormholes are my favorite thing right now. I was scanning for a good system to squat in last night and I ran into a four man gas mining operation. I think I scared them off for a bit with my probes. Then I came across a lot of mobile warp disruptors left over from when some guys got evicted from their C3 two days ago. Piecing together what had happened was pretty fun. Lastly I crossed paths with a large blops gang that was going to dunk some nerds in null. I bumped into their interceptor escort when I was switching systems and safed up immediately, waiting for them to pass. I guess some of their friends stayed behind and waited for me, because I jumped straight into a sabre and hictor down the pipe, but I managed to get away. You never know what you'll find next. On the other hand, there are days when you just scan for hours and never find anything good.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer
I've just looked over the new Rapid Torpedo-launchers for capitals and wow did CCP gently caress up.

So you now have these new capital launchers who -get this- launch torpedos about twice as slow as normal torpedo launchers.

If you fit bog standard torpedo launchers on your capital, you actually fire twice as fast as the new rapid launchers. What the hell? Is this CCP's idea of a joke?




Please tell me PYFA is hosed and the in-game rapid torpedos aren't terrible.

April Fool
Apr 1, 2016


Pyfa seems to be correct.

Goatman Sacks
Apr 4, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
A couple of karmafleet dudes (maybe just one dude?) already ate poo poo trying dual gank rapid torp phoenixes

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

April Fool posted:



Pyfa seems to be correct.

So what exactly was CCP's idea behind this? If I suddenly want to, let's say take out a Phoenix to shoot at subcaps, I can get about twice as much DPS with normal Torpedo-launchers. I also don't have to wait an eternity for them to reload. They're also cheaper. And use a fraction of the CPU/Grid.

Those rapid torpedo launchers are like a joke on people who don't look too closely at what they buy. I just don't understand this. :confused:

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Goatman Sacks posted:

A couple of karmafleet dudes (maybe just one dude?) already ate poo poo trying dual gank rapid torp phoenixes

Seriously, this is like getting hit by fireworks and still dying.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Libluini posted:

So what exactly was CCP's idea behind this? If I suddenly want to, let's say take out a Phoenix to shoot at subcaps, I can get about twice as much DPS with normal Torpedo-launchers. I also don't have to wait an eternity for them to reload. They're also cheaper. And use a fraction of the CPU/Grid.

Those rapid torpedo launchers are like a joke on people who don't look too closely at what they buy. I just don't understand this. :confused:

A T2 siege module reduces the rate of fire on XL launchers by 80%. Rapid torpedo launchers are XL launchers, regular torpedo launchers are not.

April Fool
Apr 1, 2016

Libluini posted:

Those rapid torpedo launchers are like a joke on people who don't look too closely at what they buy. I just don't understand this. :confused:

Neither do I. :confused:

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

LemonDrizzle posted:

A T2 siege module reduces the rate of fire on XL launchers by 80%. Rapid torpedo launchers are XL launchers, regular torpedo launchers are not.

OK, now that makes more sense. Still, it's really weird to see a module shoved into a niche like that. Don't use a siege module, get hosed.

Man, stuff like this is just irritating. One of the many reasons not to fly caps, I guess.

April Fool
Apr 1, 2016
So this high reload times make Caldari Titan V and/or a Tech2 Siege Module very valuable.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Libluini posted:

OK, now that makes more sense. Still, it's really weird to see a module shoved into a niche like that. Don't use a siege module, get hosed.

Man, stuff like this is just irritating. One of the many reasons not to fly caps, I guess.
Forcing you to siege to get meaningful dps is kind of central to the balancing of dreads. You get excellent dps and local tank on a comparatively cheap and insurable ship, at the cost of being immobilized and unable to receive remote assistance for five minutes.

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Mar 29, 2006

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Libluini posted:

OK, now that makes more sense. Still, it's really weird to see a module shoved into a niche like that. Don't use a siege module, get hosed.

Man, stuff like this is just irritating. One of the many reasons not to fly caps, I guess.

please stop talking about capitals or balance in general it's making me very not chill

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb
so yesterday I scanned some astero down and killed him with my future-space-dildo (stratios)

he was mad

but that was the first scan->kill I've had in a while and it was nice

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
So I haven't been able to do anything but station spin and occasionally pop into a standing fleet since last week due to some real-life responsibilities and I kinda lost track of my skill queue. Apparently I'm spending this week training Assault Frigates to 4 instead of going for another racial frigate or medium drones 5. I know the Enyo is supposed to be the least worst but are there any other races that are decent for solo nullsec fuckery? I guess next I'll suck it up and train for a T3D on the way to a dictor.

Also, has anyone had any luck getting public courier contracts delivered to lowsec? I'm trying to get 20 Incursus and Tristans (+ fittings) delivered to Black Rise so I can learn this whole solo thing. I've progressively upped the contract reward from 5 to 20 million over 3 weeks and there is even another 20m contract to the same station but still no takers. What's the secret? Black Frog wants me to pay for a whole jump freighter but I'd rather not drop 10% of my liquid isk on a 2/3 empty JF. :ohdear:

nessin
Feb 7, 2010

Morris posted:

So I haven't been able to do anything but station spin and occasionally pop into a standing fleet since last week due to some real-life responsibilities and I kinda lost track of my skill queue. Apparently I'm spending this week training Assault Frigates to 4 instead of going for another racial frigate or medium drones 5. I know the Enyo is supposed to be the least worst but are there any other races that are decent for solo nullsec fuckery? I guess next I'll suck it up and train for a T3D on the way to a dictor.

Also, has anyone had any luck getting public courier contracts delivered to lowsec? I'm trying to get 20 Incursus and Tristans (+ fittings) delivered to Black Rise so I can learn this whole solo thing. I've progressively upped the contract reward from 5 to 20 million over 3 weeks and there is even another 20m contract to the same station but still no takers. What's the secret? Black Frog wants me to pay for a whole jump freighter but I'd rather not drop 10% of my liquid isk on a 2/3 empty JF. :ohdear:

Pretty much the only way you'll get this delivered is if some new hauler isn't paying attention, accidentally accepts it, and actually tries to deliver it instead of saying gently caress it and eating the collateral. Chances are they will probably get killed trying to do so as well. There are multiple people providing freighter services into Saranen listed in smart on the goonfleet forums, use those. Or if you're looking to go somewhere else besides Saranen, ship them to the lowsec entry point you want and then move them in manually.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

LemonDrizzle posted:

Forcing you to siege to get meaningful dps is kind of central to the balancing of dreads. You get excellent dps and local tank on a comparatively cheap and insurable ship, at the cost of being immobilized and unable to receive remote assistance for five minutes.

I get it now, but man, do I hate being immobile. In the past I spend some time thinking about trying out dreads, but that whole siege-thing sucks out all the fun of flying a ship for me.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Faction frigates are generally better options than assault frigates at the moment for a variety of reasons. If you want to try solo frigate pvp and can fly an Enyo, you can also fly a Comet, which is both cheaper and better. The Slicer is also a really great option for learning to kite, and the Hookbill is a very capable brawler (go with a dualprop fit and dumpster overconfident Sabres all day).

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

nessin posted:

Pretty much the only way you'll get this delivered is if some new hauler isn't paying attention, accidentally accepts it, and actually tries to deliver it instead of saying gently caress it and eating the collateral. Chances are they will probably get killed trying to do so as well. There are multiple people providing freighter services into Saranen listed in smart on the goonfleet forums, use those. Or if you're looking to go somewhere else besides Saranen, ship them to the lowsec entry point you want and then move them in manually.

Yeah I was hoping to give Saranen a miss and go somewhere quieter where I can just go find dudes in plexes rather than the constant traffic of gangs through Saranen. Also I want to keep my Saranen clone empty so I can podex whenever I want. I'll look at staging out of the highsec exit system and if I lose the occasional frigate to a gate camp oh well :shobon:

LemonDrizzle posted:

Faction frigates are generally better options than assault frigates at the moment for a variety of reasons. If you want to try solo frigate pvp and can fly an Enyo, you can also fly a Comet, which is both cheaper and better. The Slicer is also a really great option for learning to kite, and the Hookbill is a very capable brawler (go with a dualprop fit and dumpster overconfident Sabres all day).

I have some Comets lying around, my original plan had been to get started with those. But my courier contract outlived peacetime SRP so I figured I'd get my early welps done in something cheaper. I like the Slicer idea, Crusader looks like fun ship to roam with and I'd max out my Astero's tank to boot. :black101:

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb
slicer is pretty decent, for 15mil you get a nice kiter

once you can fly those go and spend a lot more on a garmur with a 30k point

Darium
May 2, 2016
Slicers can deff. be a pain if flown by someone with decent skills.

Garmurs on the other hand, are just another level of "troll". The speed they can reach and how easy they can kite most things around are just sick.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Can a well fitted and skilled Ishtar do level 4 missions with relative ease? I have one in EFT that can dish out 800dps and tank 350dps with armor tanking. Its cap stable with a 100mn afterburner on putting me at 1200m/s

Siets
Sep 19, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Can a well fitted and skilled Ishtar do level 4 missions with relative ease? I have one in EFT that can dish out 800dps and tank 350dps with armor tanking. Its cap stable with a 100mn afterburner on putting me at 1200m/s

You can survive the missions just fine, especially being AB fit as a cruiser with that kind of a tank. The problem is the sheer irritation-factor that comes from how often the AI likes to target and pop your drones leaving you neutered on DPS and having to warp back to station constantly for more drones.

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dreads are pretty terrible for 'solo roaming', but on the other hand carriers are really strong right now

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Siets posted:

You can survive the missions just fine, especially being AB fit as a cruiser with that kind of a tank. The problem is the sheer irritation-factor that comes from how often the AI likes to target and pop your drones leaving you neutered on DPS and having to warp back to station constantly for more drones.

Are there ways to try and keep your drones safe or they hosed no matter what?

If not for a drone boat do Megatheon or Hyperion gun boats work well for level 4s? If so what kind of fits are good? Navy megas would work for me too.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Your ishtar will do fine. If you put a target painter into one of the mids and keep it active on one of the NPCs, they'll all focus on you and ignore your drones.

xilni
Feb 26, 2014




avatarinwin posted:

dreads are pretty terrible for 'solo roaming', but on the other hand carriers are really strong right now

Biggest EVE regret is that I have no choice but to let my carriers gather dust this long. I desperately need some cap action.

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

Darium posted:

Slicers can deff. be a pain if flown by someone with decent skills.

Garmurs on the other hand, are just another level of "troll". The speed they can reach and how easy they can kite most things around are just sick.

PL guys still manage to lose 500mil+ garmurs to bubble camps and other dumb poo poo

if you're smart enough to use dscan and sit inside a novice fw plex (t1 frig only) at about 25 off the warpin with a garmur you'll rack up kills like crazy though, unless someone shows up with a worm (or another garmur) at which point you just gently caress off

IMO novice plexes are a great opportunity since the gating gives you enough time to get out, and the worst possible thing that will show up is a frig gang

Goatman Sacks
Apr 4, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

xilni posted:

Biggest EVE regret is that I have no choice but to let my carriers gather dust this long. I desperately need some cap action.

Don't you dare lose that thing trying to yolo a horde gatecamp after all the poo poo it took to get it down there

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

LemonDrizzle posted:

Your ishtar will do fine. If you put a target painter into one of the mids and keep it active on one of the NPCs, they'll all focus on you and ignore your drones.

How does a target painter make all the npcs focus on you?

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

How does a target painter make all the npcs focus on you?

NPCs hate EWAR with a passion.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
This is the fit I'm currently working on.



Would it be ok to replace one of the tracking links with a painter? And besides that is the rest good?

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

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shouldnt you use sentries

Goatman Sacks
Apr 4, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Sentries can't really track frigates too well anymore

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

ranbo das posted:

NPCs hate EWAR with a passion.

NPC's irrational hatred of ewar is hilarious. I always imagine the rats just seething hatred because someone is using ecm.

BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.


You would be pretty mad if someone was waving a laser pen in your face.

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Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002

Landsknecht posted:

so yesterday I scanned some astero down and killed him with my future-space-dildo (stratios)

he was mad

but that was the first scan->kill I've had in a while and it was nice

isn't that kinda his own fault for not watching d-scan and cloaking up?

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