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Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Clive Palmer says he will not seek re-election in the House of Representatives.

# ? May 4, 2016 01:25

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 18:21

Snod.: Oct 3, 2014

Bye Clive bye bye

# ? May 4, 2016 01:31

Vladimir Poutine: Aug 13, 2012

Bye you insane dork. Thanks for opposing some of the more ridiculous measures in that Hockey budget that one time.

# ? May 4, 2016 01:40

Brayds2006: Aug 21, 2011

Goodbye Clive Palmer! Goodbye! Goodbye Clive Palmer! Goodbye Clive! Goodbye!

# ? May 4, 2016 01:41

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

starkebn posted:

Can we get Negligent on AirAsia?

The budget is being sold by Newscorpse as 'a safe pair of hands'. That may be enough to doom the hopes for a change of government. So a few more terms of unintentional transgressive humour? Sign me the gently caress up.

# ? May 4, 2016 01:42

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Budget offers no credible path back to surplus, Institute of Public Affairs says

A leading free market think tank has lashed the Turnbull budget, saying it offers no credible path back to surplus and has permanently entrenched big government.

The executive director of the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), John Roskam, sent an email to members last night saying "the size of government will have grown by nearly 10 per cent in the course of just over a decade".

"That's unsustainable. That heads us down the path of European-style economics," he wrote.

"If Labor win the election the situation will be even worse."

Mr Roskam said he had received phone calls and emails from IPA members worried about what would happen to their superannuation.

"It's not just that the Government is increasing taxes on superannuation," he wrote.

"What will really concern people are the retrospective changes to superannuation taxes that will hit people already in retirement.

"In some cases retirees will have to go back to what they did in 2007 to calculate their tax liability.

"The IPA always has and always will be opposed to retrospective legislation. It is disappointing the Coalition is creating such a dangerous precedent."

The institute is highly influential in right-of-centre politics and its attack on the Government will unsettle some in the Coalition and amplify the sense of disappointment they feel about the direction of the party under Malcolm Turnbull's leadership.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-04/budget-offers-no-credible-credible-path-back-to-surplus-ipa-says/7382316

# ? May 4, 2016 01:44

Mad Katter: Aug 23, 2010; STOP THE BATS

Brayds2006 posted:

Goodbye Clive Palmer! Goodbye! Goodbye Clive Palmer! Goodbye Clive! Goodbye!

# ? May 4, 2016 01:46

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

To Greens advocating no Labor over Liberals due to their mutually disgusting refugee policies the emphasis i'd like to make is that its "mutual". Theres no benefit to preferencing Liberals as they are the worse end and have the same policy.

It's similar to when people wouldn't vote Green because they opposed nuclear power, when both major parties did as well, or that ACT micro animal party preferencing Libs ovee Greens because Greens endorsed a kangaroo cull, when the Libs did too.

Don't act against your own interests or the overall betterment out of spite.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:13

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Just crunched the numbers on the Government's decision to freeze Medicare rebates for another 2 years. This means that bulk billing GPs will not have got a pay rise for eight years by 2020.

The additional cost of the 2 years will hit the average GP for about $14,000 a year and the average full time GP by about $20,000 a year. This is on top of the losses they will already incur from the freeze up until 2018.

This is a clear signal from Government to bulk-billing GPs that their business structure won't be viable in the future and that they should start charging a co-payment.

Labor and Greens really need to fight to get GPs paid, otherwise we can kiss universal health care goodbye.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:25

Amoeba102: Jan 22, 2010

I'd preference Libs over Labor if the Labor person was a NSW right fuckwit, and the Lib was not completely repulsive. Small probability, but possible.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:26

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

My heart goes out to the poor doctors doing it tough on $200,000 a year. Might have to skimp and get an Audi instead of a Porsche SUV.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:31

bigis: Jun 21, 2006

But they're not going to do it tough, they're just going to start charging more.

There isn't that many bulk billing doctors these days anyway.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:32

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Negligent posted:

My heart goes out to the poor doctors doing it tough on $200,000 a year. Might have to skimp and get an Audi instead of a Porsche SUV.

They have to pay all the costs associated with providing care. Rent, staff costs, equipment costs and huge insurance costs. Also they spent nearly a decade becoming fully qualified and they do it for about half of what other medical specialists get paid.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:33

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

The AMA is also the best resourced union in Australia so why are you fighting their battles for them

# ? May 4, 2016 02:37

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

I do find that even the gap charge doctors in my area are still very reasonable and will let me go through as a bulk billing patient if I'm just in for something very quick like a script refill or referral update.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:42

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Where in the gently caress are people finding bulk billing doctors? I have to drive 10km just to find one that 'only' charges $65 for a consult, and I have to do my own application to medicare to get anything back.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:43

Vladimir Poutine: Aug 13, 2012

Kat Delacour posted:

I do find that even the gap charge doctors in my area are still very reasonable and will let me go through as a bulk billing patient if I'm just in for something very quick like a script refill or referral update.

Yeah, I've never not been bulk billed for either of these two things.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:44

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Because I don't agree with everything the AMA does?

The best way to curb health costs would be to move specialists away from fee-for-service to a salary. this would stop the temptation of specialists from doing unnecessary procedures. One unnecessary knee arthroscopy costs the equivalent of a bulk billing GP seeing over 100 patients.

If it was just GPs getting screwed, I wouldn't be upset. But this is an attack on the idea of universal health care, which has been shown to be the most efficient type of care. Its cheaper, more effective and patients have the highest level of satisfaction when you have a strong primary care system.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:44

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Attacking GPs will increase the load on hospitals (due to patients not visiting GP due to lack of bulk bill and letting preventable conditions worsen) and probably end up being a lot more expensive in the long term.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:47

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But think of the short-term savings!

# ? May 4, 2016 02:50

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Endman posted:

Attacking GPs will increase the load on hospitals (due to patients not visiting GP due to lack of bulk bill and letting preventable conditions worsen) and probably end up being a lot more expensive in the long term.

Exactly, its completely arse backwards approach to health.

I just saw that they have kept the prescription medicine cost increase on the books even though Ley has said that it wouldn't happen.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:50

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

The public health sector should have known better and donated to the Liberal party :colbert:

# ? May 4, 2016 02:50

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

Lid posted:

To Greens advocating no Labor over Liberals due to their mutually disgusting refugee policies the emphasis i'd like to make is that its "mutual". Theres no benefit to preferencing Liberals as they are the worse end and have the same policy.

Is there anybody actually advocating this? It only looks that way in the auspol SA thread because there are a few diehard labor supporters (who get poo poo on endlessly for supporting a terrible party) but no liberals.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:50

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

QUACKTASTIC posted:

But think of the short-term savings!

In the short term people will avoid paying a co-payment by visiting the local ED, clogging up waiting times and costing the system 10 times that of GP visit.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:51

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Is there anybody actually advocating this? It only looks that way in the auspol SA thread because there are a few diehard labor supporters (who get poo poo on endlessly for supporting a terrible party) but no liberals.

the last real lib left after we donated to a charity

I've seen dumb people advocate for it before

# ? May 4, 2016 02:54

Magog: Jan 9, 2010

QUACKTASTIC posted:

But think of the short-term savings!

Yes, the savings...

Delimiter posted:

Budget 2016: NBN Co is running out of money
By Renai LeMay - 03/05/2016

The Federal Government has revealed that it has put together a special taskforce to determine how to fund its modified rollout of the National Broadband Network, with the project�s costs ballooning and the public purse running dry of funds to support it.

When the NBN project was initiated under the previous Labor administration with its previous Fibre to the Premises model, it was estimated that the project would cost about $44 billion in total, although Labor�s projections at the time showed that the NBN company would eventually recoup those costs and bring a modest return on the Government�s investment.

Before the 2013 Federal Election, the Coalition had promised to deliver the NBN project faster and cheaper, through using technically inferior Fibre to the Node technology and Telstra�s copper network. It pledged to spend only $29.5 billion on the NBN, with any remaining capital to be borrowed from the private sector.

However, higher than expected costs associated with the project, especially Telstra�s copper network and the integration of HFC cable infrastructure from Telstra and Optus, appears to have thrown a spanner in the works.

In this year�s Budget statements, the Federal Government said it would provide $8.8 billion to the NBN company in the 2016-2017 financial year, including $0.4 billion moved from the previous year.

The Government noted that this level of funding was expected to exhaust its NBN contribution.

�The Australian Government has committed $29.5 billion in equity to NBN Co Limited (NBN), which is expected to be fully utilised by the end of the 2016-17 financial year,� the Budget says.

The Budget notes that the NBN company is expected to raise debt from external markets of between $16.5 billion and $26.5 billion (with a base case of $19.5 billion) to complete the rollout of its network.

However, the Budget also warns that this may not be as easy as expected, and that the Government may need to step in.

�NBN is currently undertaking the necessary preparatory work on the proposed debt raising,� the Budget states.

�In the event that NBN is initially unable to raise the necessary debt on acceptable terms, interim funding support may be required,� the Budget states.

This, in turn, could have an impact on the Government�s own underlying financial position.

�Were it required, additional Government financial support for NBN would have implications for the fiscal position, for example by increasing assets and liabilities on the balance sheet and, depending on the nature of support, could have positive or negative impacts on the underlying cash balance,� the Budget states.

To deal with the issue, the Government has tasked the Department of Finance, in consultation with the Department of Communications and the Arts and the Department of the Treasury, to seek independent expert advice on strategies to meet the NBN company�s future funding requirements.

Should the NBN company decide to cancel the NBN project, as unlikely as that would be, the cost of doing so (the NBN company�s �termination liabilities�) are currently estimated at $9.4 billion to the Government.

Notably, the NBN company�s individual directors would not be held personally responsible in such a case, with the Government having provided an indemnity liability against such a case.

Other NBN-related costs detailed in the budget include the fact that the Comcare agency needs to continue to monitor remediation activities relating to the dangerous asbestos substance found in some Telstra pits and pipes used as part of the NBN rollout.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:57

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Freudian Slip posted:

In the short term people will avoid paying a co-payment by visiting the local ED, clogging up waiting times and costing the system 10 times that of GP visit.

Co-payment for EDs then, think of the short-term savings!

# ? May 4, 2016 02:58

Goffer: Apr 4, 2007; "..."

Mr Chips posted:

Where in the gently caress are people finding bulk billing doctors? I have to drive 10km just to find one that 'only' charges $65 for a consult, and I have to do my own application to medicare to get anything back.

Brunswick Betta Health :agesilaus:

It's good for vaccinations and med certificates. Wait times can suck, but if you're taking a sickie and get in early it's not bad.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:02

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

someone please inform thread about Turnbull on Jon Faine re: housing (I'm on a phone)

# ? May 4, 2016 03:03

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Clive should run for senate , politics needs more weird billionaires in it

# ? May 4, 2016 03:07

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Freudian Slip posted:

The best way to curb health costs would be to move specialists away from fee-for-service to a salary. this would stop the temptation of specialists from doing unnecessary procedures. One unnecessary knee arthroscopy costs the equivalent of a bulk billing GP seeing over 100 patients.

See also: about 50% of the things cardiologists do in private practice

# ? May 4, 2016 03:08

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Would Clive run for #2 spot senate in WA to raise the profile of the party and get Dio Wang back in as a puppet

# ? May 4, 2016 03:33

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Birdstrike posted:

someone please inform thread about Turnbull on Jon Faine re: housing (I'm on a phone)

quote:

Malcolm Turnbull [to Faine]: Are your kids locked out of the housing market?

Jon Faine: Yes.

Malcolm Turnbull: Well you should shell out for them � you should support them, a wealthy man like you... You can provide a bit of intergenerational equity in the Faine family.

Yes and what about kids whose parents can't afford to do that?

The Before Times fucked around with this message at 03:49 on May 4, 2016

# ? May 4, 2016 03:47

Spedman: Mar 12, 2010; Kangaroos hate Hasselblads

Birdstrike posted:

someone please inform thread about Turnbull on Jon Faine re: housing (I'm on a phone)

John Faine asked about how will young people pay for housing with no changes to the tax structure, Turnbull's dismissive response was that parents should help out their children.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:54

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

I'll just call my dad and ask him for a small loan of a million dollars.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:55

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

Wow

# ? May 4, 2016 03:59

Mad Katter: Aug 23, 2010; STOP THE BATS

Liberal Party Recipe for Success:

1. Be born to rich parents
2. Get a well paying job

# ? May 4, 2016 03:59

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Marrying into money is also acceptable

# ? May 4, 2016 04:01

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Didn't Hockey say the same thing about education and was mauled for it? Why the gently caress would Turnbull think that was a good thing to say? :psyduck:

Bill Shorten is going to be PM.

# ? May 4, 2016 04:05

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 18:21

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Didn't Hockey say the same thing about education and was mauled for it? Why the gently caress would Turnbull think that was a good thing to say?

Bill Shorten is going to be PM.

Hockey said something like "get a good job that pays well" as advice to first homebuyers

:allears:

# ? May 4, 2016 04:09

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