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Brosnan posted:Blizzard's MO for the last 10 years is to not allow things in games that make you feel bad, even if they help make your decisions more meaningful. Fighting games basically exist to make you feel bad about your incorrect decisions. Blizz's thing is more having no sense of moderation when trying to nerf things and just destroying them, after letting them run wild for what some people would consider an overly long amount of time. But yeah, they're kinda big on getting rid of "non-interactive" strategies, so I wouldn't count on them making a good fighting game. Goetta posted:Yeah I've tried blocking but then I start getting tossed or overheaded. I know the rock paper scissors wakeup thing is part of fighting games but I sort of feel lost with that character punishing some guy just standing on top of me throwing jabs in a corner. Your default choice is blocking. If they're going for the throw or meaties too often, you reversal. Karin's DP is fine, it's just slower than the shoto's. On WAKEUP (read: as soon as you get up), it's basically a guessing game weighted towards the attacker. Your second post kinda reads like your issue isn't just as soon as you're getting up, it's with continued pressure. Unfortunately, the only way to know when it's safe to do something is by knowing your opponents' buttons and options. A lot of poo poo in SFV pushes you REALLY far back on block, so even when it's not outright disadvantageous, you can probably sneak a move in or try to jump/backdash out of danger.
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sfv is basically what blizzard would make, except it'd be something close to feature complete and ranks would go up to infinity and you'd always get ranking points, win or lose, i'd also expect fewer attack buttons, and dedicated special move buttons, probably with loving cooldowns
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May 11, 2016 00:01
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But imagine how good it would look
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May 11, 2016 00:04
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it'd look amazing, and you'd be able to run it on a toaster, and there would be a new patch to nerf something everything month, and woe be upon you if you dare to insinuate that the gameplay isn't perfect
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May 11, 2016 00:06
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NecroMonster posted:it'd look amazing, and you'd be able to run it on a toaster, and there would be a new patch to nerf something everything month, and woe be upon you if you dare to insinuate that the gameplay isn't complete crud Hey I didin't say it would be good, only that it would have some love put into it, unlike the hatefuck creation of SFV.
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May 11, 2016 00:08
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Give me SFV Hearthstone arena mode + let me collect colours and costumes through lootboxes
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May 11, 2016 00:10
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I still haven't beat survival on hard
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Help Im Alive posted:Give me SFV Hearthstone arena mode + let me collect colours and costumes through lootboxes look i've fought enough fausts to know you don't want heathstone levels of RNG in your fighting games
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May 11, 2016 00:11
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Pomp posted:look i've fought enough fausts to know you don't want heathstone levels of RNG in your fighting games actually faust is good and cool
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May 11, 2016 00:12
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Brosnan posted:Blizzard's MO for the last 10 years is to not allow things in games that make you feel bad If this were the case, Overwatch wouldn't be full of insta-kills.
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May 11, 2016 00:13
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turns out that Venom's kancho reaction is probably the least funny one, shame.
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May 11, 2016 00:18
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NecroMonster posted:actually faust is good and cool he is until he topdecks nothing but meteors and bombs and minifausts then whelp gg
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May 11, 2016 00:24
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Help Im Alive posted:Give me SFV Hearthstone arena mode + let me collect colours and costumes through lootboxes I kinda wouldn't mind a for fun mode where you could draft a move set for a character and play a Swiss style thing on a lobby. Have it use a Mokujin style character that you can customize.
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Goetta posted:Also to back up with what the burned out guy said, trying to practice this game while getting reamed by 10 silver Guiles online in a row then finally finding one dude who is at your skill level and losing to dumb poo poo you know you can beat is incredibly disheartening. Like really makes you want to stop playing that game. Welcome to the world of Street Fighter V....prepare for battle! Just gotta find a salt coping mechanism or get used to this. Whenever I need to blow off steam I play as Vega and look for someone who hasn't figured out Flying Barcelona yet. So much fun having those be a DP motion now. I hate charging. I'm terrible.
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May 11, 2016 01:05
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i heard people speculating that the lol people bought rising thunder to make them turn it into an lol fighter. not blizzard but probably turn out similarly hosed up
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Real hurthling! posted:i heard people speculating that the lol people bought rising thunder to make them turn it into an lol fighter. not blizzard but probably turn out similarly hosed up Think about how cool that would be if the game didn't suck and then think about how that will never happen
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S.J. posted:Think about how cool that would be if the game didn't suck I mean, LoL has sucked for so long I can't see it stop sucking just in time for a fighting game to come out.
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I know it is a common complaint but I just wished the game offered like anything at all for someone who hasn't been playing fighting games against other people the past decade. Single players stuff, some sort of skill filtering in the online queue, or maybe an actual rookie only pool you can play in for like 100 matches or something (even if the queue takes forever). The game play is super fun and I want to keep playing it but throw me a bone Capcom. It would be one thing if playing against good people made you better at the game but there is a level where it feels like the opposite. Like I'm not learning anything against Super Silver Vega beyond that I can probably manage to land a jab to avoid giving him a perfect.
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May 11, 2016 01:12
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Goetta posted:I know it is a common complaint but I just wished the game offered like anything at all for someone who hasn't been playing fighting games against other people the past decade. Single players stuff, some sort of skill filtering in the online queue, or maybe an actual rookie only pool you can play in for like 100 matches or something (even if the queue takes forever). The game play is super fun and I want to keep playing it but throw me a bone Capcom. it's giving you the closest ranked people possible, the game was a massive flop outside of entrenched fgc members
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May 11, 2016 01:15
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It still sold over a million copies though right? Or is it that a lot of those people who bought it gave up on it already?
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Goetta posted:I know it is a common complaint but I just wished the game offered like anything at all for someone who hasn't been playing fighting games against other people the past decade. Single players stuff, some sort of skill filtering in the online queue, or maybe an actual rookie only pool you can play in for like 100 matches or something (even if the queue takes forever). The game play is super fun and I want to keep playing it but throw me a bone Capcom. there arent enough players to match you up with newbies because this game is dead. if you feel like you're not learning anything thats on you... this game has a wealth of options for learning. a training mode with a record function and replays. the tools are there and have been since launch.
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May 11, 2016 01:19
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Goetta posted:It still sold over a million copies though right? Or is it that a lot of those people who bought it gave up on it already? At any one time there are more people watching a single not even top 3 random DOTA/LOL/CSGO/Minecraft/Hearthstone/Stardew Valley/Whatever streamer sitting in their apartment playing the game than total viewers for SF5.
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Zand posted:there arent enough players to match you up with newbies because this game is dead. if you feel like you're not learning anything thats on you... this game has a wealth of options for learning. a training mode with a record function and replays. the tools are there and have been since launch. training mode is a tool you need to be shown how to use when you don't know poo poo.
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Real hurthling! posted:training mode is a tool you need to be shown how to use when you don't know poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+use+sfv+training+mode
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thats what i mean.
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Goetta posted:I know it is a common complaint but I just wished the game offered like anything at all for someone who hasn't been playing fighting games against other people the past decade. Single players stuff, some sort of skill filtering in the online queue, or maybe an actual rookie only pool you can play in for like 100 matches or something (even if the queue takes forever). The game play is super fun and I want to keep playing it but throw me a bone Capcom. You just gotta get out of randoms and find a group to battle lounge with, any group. Are you playing casual matchmaking or ranked? Because I'm starting to wonder if there's a Hearthstone effect going on here where "casual" is actually full of good people who don't want their numbers to go down while they work out some kinks on their char and ranked is mostly dummies like me who don't actually care what their number is.
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piratepilates posted:At any one time there are more people watching a single not even top 3 random DOTA/LOL/CSGO/Minecraft/Hearthstone/Stardew Valley/Whatever streamer sitting in their apartment playing the game than total viewers for SF5. That was also true of SF4.
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Zand is being Zand as always, but yeah, getting better at fighting games requires you to do your homework, more so than any other competitive genre. Like, I played a fuckton of Overwatch this open beta and even when I was getting wrecked by certain strategies I could SEE what I was doing wrong. "oh, I need to find another route to deal with these turrets", "oh, I shouldn't float around snipers/Roadhog", "oh, I should keep away from Mei". Fighting games don't really teach you much just by playing them over and over, and anyone that thinks they do are severely underestimating how much experience with the genre they already have.
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The more labwork I do with Vega, the angrier I get at Capcom. I can almost imagine how pissed Zangief players are.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:You just gotta get out of randoms and find a group to battle lounge with, any group. Are you playing casual matchmaking or ranked? Because I'm starting to wonder if there's a Hearthstone effect going on here where "casual" is actually full of good people who don't want their numbers to go down while they work out some kinks on their char and ranked is mostly dummies like me who don't actually care what their number is. this is certainly the truth in my experience.almost everyone i play in casual when i'm warming up to play some ranked has just over a rank up value of lp. like 1005 or 3012 etc.
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A.o.D. posted:The more labwork I do with Vega, the angrier I get at Capcom. A secret: every character will piss you off when you sit down and do lab work, it's why I dislike this game and I play the one character with a fuckton of tools.
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Dias posted:A secret: every character will piss you off when you sit down and do lab work, it's why I dislike this game and I play the one character with a fuckton of tools. nash?
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May 11, 2016 01:40
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He plays Chun because he's a degenerate
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Dias posted:Zand is being Zand as always, but yeah, getting better at fighting games requires you to do your homework, more so than any other competitive genre. Like, I played a fuckton of Overwatch this open beta and even when I was getting wrecked by certain strategies I could SEE what I was doing wrong. "oh, I need to find another route to deal with these turrets", "oh, I shouldn't float around snipers/Roadhog", "oh, I should keep away from Mei". Fighting games don't really teach you much just by playing them over and over, and anyone that thinks they do are severely underestimating how much experience with the genre they already have. if the easiest way to get better is by playing other locals why doesn't the game match me with players willing to fight offline against me at their house? how much does the game owe a player? practically no competitive games teach you how to compete at a high level using tools within the game. personally i wish there were more features in sfv, but expecting too much handholding in any competitive game is absurd... like I said, the tools are there, replays and training mode. the game doesn't show you how to use the tools but so what? hammers dont come with instruction manuals either, but you learn by doing. in fact, the act of exploration is a valuable experience in and of itself which has an importance that shouldn't be overlooked
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look i need my leggy girl characters just leave me alone
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Uh play Cammy, she has nice legs
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Dias posted:A secret: every character will piss you off when you sit down and do lab work, it's why I dislike this game and I play the one character with a fuckton of tools. Here's some things I found out: Vega has the lowest # of specials that build meter (tied with Guile for 2) and the lowest percentage of specials that build meter ( 50%, tied with nobody), and seems to build the least amount of meter when he's allowed to build meter at all. If you're playing a female character, one of your best anti-airs against Vega is to... crouch. For some reason Vega's air attacks have a really, really hard time hitting low. If you have a low profile button that causes most air attacks to whiff, even better, because Vega can NOT hit you. Even his cross up whiffs like mad. Zangief has an option select against claw on vega. At footsie range, start an SPD from the back position when you see vega try to poke you. If he's in range, you'll block. If he's just out of range, his massive whiff punish hurtbox will give you the grab. This is probably true of every command grab with a good range. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 01:49 on May 11, 2016 |
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Baal posted:Uh play Cammy, she has nice legs yeah but she's not top tier
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I've got a super good way to deal with any and all problems you might be having with SFV.
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Pomp posted:yeah but she's not top tier Her butt is
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