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For conceal/crit builds, the FAMAS is the best AR. For other purposes, the beta (and most of the Crimefest rebalance) unduly prioritizes high-damage semi-automatics, so M308, AMR DMR, AK DMR, Eagle, Falcon, G3, whatever. I find that with the 40% ammo nerf in the beta, even previously good automatics are subpar and the skill investment for fully loaded is too high for the benefit you don't get. If you want a full auto take an LMG. The Bootleg is reasonably fun, however, but it sits in an odd place of almost an LMG but technically an AR, much like the RPK sits in the same position from the other side. If you want a bullet hose it's probably the current best. Take suppressor skills if you want it to be really good. Psion fucked around with this message at 21:53 on May 19, 2016 |
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Death Vox might happen in some form or fashion in the future though with all the interesting modding with custom levels lately, so you never know.
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I'm sure with a team of ideas guy and "i'll make the website" it'll happen any day now. just like the secret 
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Psion posted:I'm sure with a team of ideas guy and "i'll make the website" it'll happen any day now. The folks I talked with are the ones releasing the frame job custom heist, and who did that technically impressive, poorly conceived green harvest. They've already got websites and implementation, but boy do they need ideas. We'll see if the new one is better designed. For a bunch of reasons, I've decided not to mess with modding until/if things progress further. Until then, game design fanfiction! Also,  
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Orv posted:Hobbies I suppose.
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Thanks for the answers all. I find I like clicking heads in this more so I'm trying the M308 and AMR-16 next. Also I'm really pleased with the astonishing monstrosities against the god of guns this game allows me to create. Or any god really. Orv fucked around with this message at 00:33 on May 20, 2016 |
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Dr Cheeto posted:
I think it's questionable to characterize those ARs as "low damage." They can all hit the 40 (okay, fine, 39.9) breakpoint, and doing more than 40 damage doesn't necessarily mean much.
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Discendo Vox posted:
It is so weird to have arm chair economists try to turn PD2 safes into a viable thing.
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Crabtree posted:It is so weird to have arm chair economists try to turn PD2 safes into a viable thing. Forsaken Falcon (has PAYDAY 2) posted:
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Discendo Vox posted:I am very confused as to how someone is supposed to hold the Anarcho. Actually, I'm confused by everything about the Anarcho. Looks like you hold it with one hand on the grip and trigger, with the other hand through the brass knuckles thing. Like a regular 2-hand gun grip/stance but a little weird because you're not wrapping one hand directly around the other but more like threading your fingers into a foregrip. On a stubby little revolver. It's so very payday and I wish it did bonus damage when you used it with pistolwhipping/  stock melee.
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Discendo Vox posted:Lowered the chance to dominate an enemy DOGGAMMIT. Any word on how much the effectiveness has been reduced? Are the rates comparable to how they were before the beta or are they noticeably lower or higher?
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Crabtree posted:It is so weird to have arm chair economists try to turn PD2 safes into a viable thing. Well, bear in mind that for a time valve employed a famous European economist, Varoufakis, that went on to become FinMin of Greece. You can probably remember how that worked out. WARNINGThe beta is really unstable after this update. SWAT Turrets in particular crash games as soon as they target anyone. vvv right, my bad. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 02:47 on May 20, 2016 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Well, bear in mind that for a time valve employed a famous European economist, Varoufakis, that went on to become PM of Greece. You can probably remember how that worked out. Minister of Finance, IIRC.
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FAUXTON posted:Looks like you hold it with one hand on the grip and trigger, with the other hand through the brass knuckles thing. Like a regular 2-hand gun grip/stance but a little weird because you're not wrapping one hand directly around the other but more like threading your fingers into a foregrip. It's only a little odd seeing how the knuckle-grip is angled so far backwards, it doesn't look particularly comfortable to hold. The 93R features a forward facing foregrip but it is a tiny burst-fire hose of death. It's pretty much uncontrollable outside of 10 metres in Battlefield. It still looks silly having a swiss army knife attachment stuck to it. The Anarcho on the other hand is crass and may very well have a pointless foregrip, perfect for a
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LuciferMorningstar posted:I think it's questionable to characterize those ARs as "low damage." They can all hit the 40 (okay, fine, 39.9) breakpoint, and doing more than 40 damage doesn't necessarily mean much. They exist in the lowest AR damage bracket, that's all I mean. They're great guns and I wouldn't put them on a list like that if I didn't think they were good. Orv posted:Thanks for the answers all. I find I like clicking heads in this more so I'm trying the M308 and AMR-16 next. The balance generally favors the heavy hitters but I'd encourage you to use the mid-and low-damage rifles as well. They are a lot of fun! Dr Cheeto fucked around with this message at 04:19 on May 20, 2016 |
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More good news issues from my pipe- they know the cause of the turret crash and are issuing a hotfix tomorrow.
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I don't think you're supposed to hold the knuckle duster.
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watho posted:I don't think you're supposed to hold the knuckle duster. Yeah you're supposed to make a cop hold it In the shattered remains of his face
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watho posted:I don't think you're supposed to hold the knuckle duster. Certainly doesn't look like it. 
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 well maybe if you're a 14-foot tall giant, goddamn look at how massive it is compared to her hands.
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So, I'm terrible and awful most of the time. Is Counterfeit normally a stealthable heist? Or does it always turn loud no matter what?
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Once you put the mask on, the game starts an invisible timer and the heist will go loud sooner or later. The most you can do in stealth is to get the doors hacked. Kind of weird that they copied that mechanic from PDTH since they did some reworking to make FWB stealthable.
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DelphiAegis posted:So, I'm terrible and awful most of the time. Is Counterfeit normally a stealthable heist? Or does it always turn loud no matter what? If the heist hasn't gone loud, two sets of cops will spawn to check out the houses. You can extend the stealth phase by shooting the cops once they've moved inside, ideally when they path into the basement. The 'neighbours' will trigger the alarm if the cops die outside even with silenced weapons. Some time after the second set are dealt with, it goes loud anyway. I've gotten as far as drilling the safe and laying down the hose before swat arrived on DW, with pubbies no less. A different line should play when the heist inevitably goes loud. The game makes it sound like someone screwed up even if it was executed without a hitch.
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Laputanmachine posted:Once you put the mask on, the game starts an invisible timer and the heist will go loud sooner or later. The most you can do in stealth is to get the doors hacked. If they bothered to make Counterfeit fully stealthable, it would be way too easy to do.
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Hotfix is out. The timer actually starts when you set the first hacking device- if you want, you can move all the civilians into Mitchell's basement first. The first set of cops go into Wilson's basement- if you really wanted, you could technically not kill them by not moving the bookcase there. When the police call the house, you can now answer the phone- it's just an easter egg and does not effect stealth. If civilians are standing around in Mitchell's kitchen, there is a chance they will path down into the basement once the hack is under way. In general, a bunch of changes to the early part of the heist look like they were going to make it stealthable, then stopped partway into implementation. The Wolf Pack heists in general seem rather half-baked- there's a lot of unimplemented material.
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Discendo Vox posted:Hotfix is out. The way they could have made it stealthable is to have everything up until printing be stealth, with GO Bank style events. When you go to print, on the other hand, neighbors call the cops with a noise complaint, dispatch then radios to the cops you killed, receive no response and begin the assault. Bain explains why, as the bookcases and pool are what dampens the printer noise, and there ya go. No easy money, no bullshit, and a fun stealth heist. OVK is just lazy. Skunkrocker fucked around with this message at 21:42 on May 20, 2016 |
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None of the things you describe are easy, fast, or cheap to do.
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Discendo Vox posted:None of the things you describe are easy, fast, or cheap to do. I did say OVK was lazy, so... not sure why you agreed with me?
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The company isn't lazy. Setting aside the attribution of laziness to a corporation in the first place, if they were lazy, they wouldn't have attempted to implement stealth at all. What they are is small, with an overstretched budget an, old engine, and a consumerbase that is antagonistic at every turn. As you demonstrate.
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FAUXTON posted:Looks like you hold it with one hand on the grip and trigger, with the other hand through the brass knuckles thing. Like a regular 2-hand gun grip/stance but a little weird because you're not wrapping one hand directly around the other but more like threading your fingers into a foregrip. You hold it normally and hit people with the brass knuckle bit, this isn't that complicated.
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Stealth sucks.
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oohhboy posted:Stealth sucks. Have you considered the alternative? you suck at stealth
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If you want to stare at the rear end end of a rent-a-cop for 15 minutes instead of doing the Lord's of shooting him, more power to you. I am perfectly fine in stealth.
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Afraid of Audio posted:art gallery is the worst heist in the game Now it's personal.
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oohhboy posted:If you want to stare at the rear end end of a rent-a-cop for 15 minutes instead of doing the Lord's of shooting him, more power to you. If it takes you that long it's you.
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oohhboy posted:Stealth sucks.
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Skunkrocker posted:Now it's personal. also untrue since car shop exists
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oohhboy posted:Stealth sucks. Afraid of Audio posted:shadow raid, murky station, and car shop are the worst heists in the game Art Gallery would be fine if there was more loot/a bigger payout, otherwise the map itself is fun for pig murder. Framing Frame would also be a lot more fun if you weren't actively punished for wanting to kill cops on day 3.
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