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fadam posted:Okay, and unless they add heroes that literally have a moveable 2k shield, a res, and a speed boost, I don't see Reinhardt, Mercy or Lucio going anywhere. They all bring very specific utility pieces that are mandatory on most maps. Widowmaker's the same way. You keep saying there are a ton of bad unplayable heroes in the game, but outside of D.Va who anyone reasonable will agree on that, please list the ones who are unplayable for reasons other than Widowmaker and McCree being way too strong.
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chumbler posted:You keep saying there are a ton of bad unplayable heroes in the game, but outside of D.Va who anyone reasonable will agree on that, please list the ones who are unplayable for reasons other than Widowmaker and McCree being way too strong. Mei can only deal with single targets and unlike every other flanker/picker doesn't have the mobility or the raw damage to compete with other Assault classes, Torbjorn and Bastion falls apart in the face of co-ordinated teams, Zenyatta has no mobility and crumples like wet paper, Symmetra is only good in very specific circumstances and Roadhog has no survivability aside from a straight up large chunk of health so he exists to fuel other ultimates. Of the bottom three competitively played heroes only Hanzo sits there as a result of a specific problem class, being just a worse Widowmaker.
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Also to go back to ~thematics~ Widowmaker's ult doesn't really fit in with the rest of her kit at all. She's a high damage-throughput picker so loading that much utility on a character who's job is to specifically click heads is way too much. Like imagine the opposite where Reinhardt's ult just blew up anyone it hit in big explosive showers of viscera. It wouldn't make any sense. Lady Naga fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Lady Naga posted:if you can get up in a Widow's face you can wreck her poo poo as a tracer and she can't really escape but that's a big ol "if" Which would mean that she needs to not see you approach her. If she does see you approach her, then she needs to miss for every 1.4 seconds you are in LoS as you approach. Then she needs to miss again for every 1.4 seconds that you are trying to kill her. Then she needs to not have vertical space to play with, because one of these two can ascend vertical space on demand and another can't. So I guess if the Widowmaker can't bodyshot a target once, has no awareness, and can't position very well, she is a counter to Tracer.
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Lady Naga posted:if you can get up in a Widow's face you can wreck her poo poo as a tracer and she can't really escape but that's a big ol "if" This makes no sense. If they add a front line tank and he's just a lovely version of Reinhardt (like how Hanzo is a lovely version of Widow) then he won't get picked. Just like how Hanzo doesn't get picked. If Hanzo was as good at getting long range picks as Widow, I could see teams choosing him for the Dragon on certain maps like Hollywood 3 and Route 66 3.
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Lady Naga posted:Also to go back to ~thematics~ Widowmaker's ult doesn't really fit in with the rest of her kit at all. She's a high damage-throughput picker so loading that much utility on a specific character who's job is to click heads is way too much. Agreed, give her AoE explosive bullets as her ult. The issue with OW balance right now is what people have mentioned time and time again: if you nerf McCree, then all of a sudden Tracer runs wild, and I think you'd need to MURDER Tracer to not make her the optimal pick. Widow will always have her place, and buffing Hanzo to get him on her level is dangerous for pub play. Lúcio is another one of those characters where toning him down could possibly end him, and you can't gently caress with the Pure Healer. To be fair I don't care that much about balance in this compared to a 1v1 competitive game anyway. While in a fighting game you already feel the Top Tier Effect in intermediate-level play, I think a team objective-based shooter gives you a lot more leeway to get work done with non-optimal picks.
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Brannock posted:Crossfade toggle feels like utter poo poo to use. It doesn't work at all like Soldier's sprint toggle. Half the time I use it I have to make a second action to actually switch back to healing aura once I let go of Shift, otherwise it stays on speed aura permanently. You don't need to bind a second action. Lucio has a hero specific "Hold to crossfade" option to make his speed boost work like S76's sprint, i.e., the toggle always favors healing mode, and you have to press and hold down shift in order to speed boost. Once you let you go of shift, it switches back to healing automatically. I personally prefer the toggle so I don't have to focus on holding down shift to make sick wall runs, but also because I'm used to it. There's a bunch of other hero specific options you can choose from too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCygSHeoe7Q&t=12s
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Dias posted:I mean, Widow could really be 150 and have a slower fire rate. I don't think that would destroy her, but it would make her more fragile and make full charged bodyshots less derpy. idk if letting widow die in one bodyshot to another widow is really necessary. she doesn't really need less health imo
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Manatee Cannon posted:idk if letting widow die in one bodyshot to another widow is really necessary. she doesn't really need less health imo yeah the game doesnt need more one-shots
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > A Blizzard Subforum > Overwatch: Super aggressive and expensive microtransactions 
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Countblanc posted:yeah the game doesnt need more one-shots It would make splash damage more of a threat to her, and maybe Winston??? Widow already takes down Widow as it is anyway.
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Make direct hit rockets do 200 damage so Pharah can obliterate her if she gets complacent.
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:Which would mean that she needs to not see you approach her. If she does see you approach her, then she needs to miss for every 1.4 seconds you are in LoS as you approach. Then she needs to miss again for every 1.4 seconds that you are trying to kill her. Then she needs to not have vertical space to play with, because one of these two can ascend vertical space on demand and another can't. That's exactly what I said? Sometimes I think people like to pick fights for the sake of it. fadam posted:This makes no sense.
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Lady Naga posted:She's either an American trying really hard to sound French or an actual French person playing up the accent to a ridiculous degree. Her actual lines are fine but she sounds like a cartoon. a cartoon character sounding like a cartoon? 
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Broken Cog posted:Why is Tracer considered to be a counter to Widow? She can oneshot Tracer with a bodyshot, and a lot of the time she perches herself on some platform Tracer can't even reach. I guess it's because of people coming from TF2 where the fast guy murders the slow sniper. They're unable to parse that Widowmaker has vertical movement.
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Lady Naga posted:Yes, I agree that if you make a frontline tank that exists in the same design space as Reinhardt he won't get played. Luckily, that's not what I was saying. AFAIK, Zarya and Winston see some comp play. Winston actually sees a LOT of comp play, since he's more of a disruptor.
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Lastgirl posted:a cartoon character sounding like a cartoon? Dias posted:AFAIK, Zarya and Winston see some comp play. Winston actually sees a LOT of comp play, since he's more of a disruptor. Neither Zarya nor Winston are really "front line tanks", at least not in the same way Reinhardt is. Zarya is specifically meant to be played in the back/mid line and Winston is meant to zip from the backline to the objective and back.
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teagone posted:You don't need to bind a second action. Lucio has a hero specific "Hold to crossfade" option to make his speed boost work like S76's sprint, i.e., the toggle always favors healing mode, and you have to press and hold down shift in order to speed boost. Once you let you go of shift, it switches back to healing automatically. I personally prefer the toggle so I don't have to focus on holding down shift to make sick wall runs, but also because I'm used to it. There's a bunch of other hero specific options you can choose from too: I think he was saying that the option is poo poo because it's super buggy. At least that's my experience. Half the time I have to hit shift a couple times to get it to recognize that I've released shift and it should be switching back to heal mode now, thanks.
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Papercut posted:I think he was saying that the option is poo poo because it's super buggy. At least that's my experience. Half the time I have to hit shift a couple times to get it to recognize that I've released shift and it should be switching back to heal mode now, thanks. Oh i see. I played a few games with "Hold to crossfade" on and I thought it replicated a sprint button pretty well but it just felt odd since I was already so used to it being a toggle. I've never really had any issues with the toggle though, save for when I just started playing and always forgot to switch it back to healing heh. I also first thought you had to shoot your teammates to heal them after toggling the crossfade when I got into my first beta 
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 I got this cool end game victory screen where Mei and Torbjorn look like they're both leaning on the sentry.
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Ahhpple posted:Lucio's gameplay isn't fun. It's boring. His gun has terrible gunfeel. There's barely any decision making to be had with his auras. Wallriding isn't an especially engaging movement ability. Sound barrier is dead simple to use. He just runs back and forth spamming his lovely projectiles at a choke or shield and hits his ult and boost when its time to fight. However he really helps your team win the game, so if you find winning fun then pick him. All of you complaining about how boring Lucio is forget to mention how incredibly satisfying it is to blast someone off the map and into the void.
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Lady Naga posted:Neither Zarya nor Winston are really "front line tanks", at least not in the same way Reinhardt is. Zarya is specifically meant to be played in the back/mid line and Winston is meant to zip from the backline to the objective and back. Rein is the more extreme version, but Zarya kinda pushes forward too and Winston can set up a frontline bubble while harassing. My point is more that Rein doesn't make them superfluous like the other two characters we were discussing. Of course, in a scenario where they make a shittier Reinhardt then welp.
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mcbexx posted:All of you complaining about how boring Lucio is forget to mention how incredibly satisfying it is to blast someone off the map and into the void. I just wish it affected projectiles. My years of pyro training have been a waste
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Make it so that lucio's gun does zero damage but applies a debuff: heavy tinnitus, where the player cannot hear footsteps nor ult callouts.Dias posted:Rein is the more extreme version, but Zarya kinda pushes forward too and Winston can set up a frontline bubble while harassing. My point is more that Rein doesn't make them superfluous like the other two characters we were discussing. Of course, in a scenario where they make a shittier Reinhardt then welp. Superfluous no, but the problem is that they're specifically relegated to the role of "offtank", which means "play these but only with a Rein, not instead of".
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Lady Naga posted:Make it so that lucio's gun does zero damage but applies a debuff: heavy tinnitus, where the player cannot hear footsteps nor ult callouts. Lmao, that would be amazing. More so if it's like a loud dubstep track that replaces all audio on the enemy player.
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I'm jokin' around but really I hope that they play around a little more with buffs/debuffs in upcoming heroes, provided they don't go overboard. I think maybe one or two more characters that do either would be good.
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Just make a hero that does nothing but fly around and kamikaze kills a single target so we can finally be rid of these widow and mccree complaints once and for all
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I for one am looking forward to Widowmaker getting an irrelevant nerf like a mag size reduction or minimum charge percentage.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Just make a hero that does nothing but fly around and kamikaze kills a single target so we can finally be rid of these widow and mccree complaints once and for all hey, it's my Pharah strategy
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Got to live the dream as Zarya, along with some goons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ-cXyP_2-o It's beautiful
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I love killcams where you whipped around and started shooting at someone but according to their perspective you turned halfway and then started shooting at a wall like a confused idiot.
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Some Widow who totally ate my lunch credited "that youtube headshot video" and that's so impossibly vague. Anyone know what they're talking about?
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I snuck up on a Widowmaker as a Bastion and killed her in sentry mode. She's balanced.
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Lady Naga posted:This discussion is like three days old and wasn't even that big of a deal to begin with. hey its all good, i was just posting that cos it makes me laugh when its put like that~ 
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Sanctum posted:I love killcams where you whipped around and started shooting at someone but according to their perspective you turned halfway and then started shooting at a wall like a confused idiot. Good I'm not crazy and other people get those, too.
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chumbler posted:Good I'm not crazy and other people get those, too. Gotta love that ping + netcode + tick rate
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Some people -really- don't like the leaver penalty. "Lol, the down voters are the actual problem with the game. Entitled new generation !@#$s that value their own experience over that of other peoples. I guarantee you everyone that downvotes the idea of freedom to leave a game that isnt fun, ya know fun right? That thing games are supposed to be? Anyway, guaranteed the downvotes are from people who literally have no interest in whether or not im having fun. Sorry but if you think people should stick around when they arent having fun so YOUR experience isnt ruined. You need to find a single player game and stay there, cause someone was not raised to play nice with others. http://www.parentfurther.com.php53-8.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/blog/playing-well-with-others Hell even I could learn a few things from that URL. ^.^"
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Verranicus posted:Some people -really- don't like the leaver penalty. This is an issue where there's no common ground where everyone would be happy, so it's a matter of picking the lesser of two evils. Having somebody or everyone on a team leave and ruin the experience for everyone else isn't preferable to forcing those same people to suck it up and take one for the team so at least somebody else is enjoying themselves. It's less an empathetic approach and more just picking the optimal method in terms of making the most amount of people happy.
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