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Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

UnknownMercenary posted:

They used to work together when the beta first started and it was broken as gently caress.

Yeah, I can imagine, I'm just a bit sad they don't any more. :v:

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Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Lemon-Lime posted:

It definitely was when the game first launched, and it took them a while to decouple achievements from unlocks. They might have fixed it earlier than the BBQ pack, though, it's been a while.
i was referring to SAM achievements not unlocking the things

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
A couple important notices involving crash bugs in the current build of the game.

1. The "phantom ammo bag" issue that gave rise to our beloved corpse despawn bug will now destabilize host-client sync connections, disabling sound, crashing the game for clients, then eventually for hosts. This might be resolveable in game by having the host pick up the glitched ammo bag- not clear. If you're able to fix it by doing so, please let me know.
2. The host SHOULD NOT throw the last required bag into the vent on FWB. This causes a crash due to some sort of problem with loading assets for the escape, or possibly evaluating the chance of a SWAT turret.

The devs are aware of both of these and working on fixes.

If you are having a tendency to crash when at 95% connection progress into a game (particularly if you joined the game when payday 2 wasn't already running), please let me know. I'm trying to find out details to figure out if it's indirectly cause by goonmod or other mods.

edit: Almir has indicated we're getting a new Humble Bundle mask pack next week, to coincide with E3.

edit 2: I won't bore you with the full chain of suppositions involved, but there's a good chance this will be the Biker's mask:
https://www.instagram.com/p/6MaZ4NRbhs/

It's by no means a sure thing, though.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jun 8, 2016

clockworkjoe
May 31, 2000

Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?
Has anyone figured out the stats for the new turrets? I've been using 4 maxed out turrets and 1 ammo bag on DW heists and they are straight up beasts. I have yet to see enemies kill a turret though but I am careful about their placement so they don't get swarmed.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

clockworkjoe posted:

Has anyone figured out the stats for the new turrets? I've been using 4 maxed out turrets and 1 ammo bag on DW heists and they are straight up beasts. I have yet to see enemies kill a turret though but I am careful about their placement so they don't get swarmed.

There's no info on the meta reddit, nor have any of the usual suspects ripped the stats from the files. It turns out that several of the best sources for file info from the game may have recently been hired by overkill. I'll ask around for turret info. Off the cuff, though, I suspect that the thing making the biggest single difference is the ballistic shield. The shield has historically been completely impregnable and covers the location that enemies target, making the turret nigh-invincible when it only faces or targets in one direction.

ClonedPickle
Apr 23, 2010

clockworkjoe posted:

Has anyone figured out the stats for the new turrets? I've been using 4 maxed out turrets and 1 ammo bag on DW heists and they are straight up beasts. I have yet to see enemies kill a turret though but I am careful about their placement so they don't get swarmed.

Supposedly you can pick turrets up and redeploy them even if they've been destroyed by cops; dunno if this is a feature or a bug, since it wasn't in the beta. It looks like turrets have 225 shots before they empty out once upgraded, with regular mode doing 30 damage and shooting every 0.15s and AP mode doing 75 damage, shooting every 0.525s, and piercing shields. AP doesn't penetrate tan armor but it doesn't need to since sentries aim for the head.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Thoughts on this build?

http://beta.pd2skills.com/#/v3/mABDF:eaBcDEFghIJkLr:ghiJLnpr:fl:::

With this I'm running a Raven primary and HE Judge secondary, keeps my dodge at 42 w/ LBV

My actual build also includes basic Sneaky Bastard - in this skills thing it requires 18 points spent, not 16 as in the game, so include that. Med bags and FAKs are interchangeable...not sure what I should change, if anything.

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.

Grapplejack posted:

I'll probably ask you to help me with deathwish and overkill car shop, since everyone hates those maps and i'm atrocious at stealth

1. Host, or get someone who can drive to host for you.
2. Get people with molotovs and ECMs to help you.
3. Complete the heist with an ECM rush, do not break the glass.
4. Have one guy plant the C4 for you when it's time to do so.
5. Host needs to be the only one to get the keys, get in a car, and drive like a champ.
6. Everyone else stands in a corner and molotovs their selves to death.
7. Hurl hateful language at the host (if it's not you) for crashing the car and wasting all of the time needed to get to the escape, restart and try again.

Simple, really.

LuciferMorningstar
Aug 12, 2012

VIDEO GAME MODIFICATION IS TOTALLY THE SAME THING AS A FEMALE'S BODY AND CLONING SAID MODIFICATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS RAPE, GUYS!!!!!!!

Skunkrocker posted:

5. Host needs to be the only one to get the keys, get in a car, and drive like a champ.
6. Everyone else stands in a corner and molotovs their selves to death.

Oh my god. Just have everyone drive.

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.
Risk a desync that causes someone to wreck? gently caress that.

LuciferMorningstar
Aug 12, 2012

VIDEO GAME MODIFICATION IS TOTALLY THE SAME THING AS A FEMALE'S BODY AND CLONING SAID MODIFICATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS RAPE, GUYS!!!!!!!

Skunkrocker posted:

Risk a desync that causes someone to wreck? gently caress that.

Don't be bad at driving. Problem solved. You're acting like it's not possible to do without sending 3/4 of the team into custody.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Delacroix posted:

Unless I was missing something obvious, I couldn't reload sentries unless I deployed them all to gain the ability to pick them up. It can be a nuisance at times and an outline wouldn't be asking too much.

You should always be able to pick up a sentry as long as you're close enough, no need to place all of them first.


There are a couple of QoL tweaks I would like to see for sentries. A smaller detection box for switching modes, since it's sometimes way too easy to accidentally switch modes when you're trying to do something else, as well as make it easier to manage multiple sentries near each other. Maybe an option to give teammates' sentries a thinner outline, just so I can I see what's going on with them without creating too much visual noise.

LuciferMorningstar
Aug 12, 2012

VIDEO GAME MODIFICATION IS TOTALLY THE SAME THING AS A FEMALE'S BODY AND CLONING SAID MODIFICATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS RAPE, GUYS!!!!!!!

John Murdoch posted:

You should always be able to pick up a sentry as long as you're close enough, no need to place all of them first.

There's something buggy going on with them. It might be related to Jack of All Trades. In some instances, though, you can't pick up sentries until you've placed all your deployables/can only pick up one sentry at a time. If I'm using a sentry build, I spend probably 90% of the heist microing my babies.

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.
Oh it's absolutely possible. I'm going off the assumption he's totally poo poo at driving. I mean he's having trouble completing Car Shop, so it's a safe assumption. :v:

LuciferMorningstar
Aug 12, 2012

VIDEO GAME MODIFICATION IS TOTALLY THE SAME THING AS A FEMALE'S BODY AND CLONING SAID MODIFICATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS RAPE, GUYS!!!!!!!

Skunkrocker posted:

Oh it's absolutely possible. I'm going off the assumption he's totally poo poo at driving. I mean he's having trouble completing Car Shop, so it's a safe assumption. :v:

Fair point...

LuciferMorningstar
Aug 12, 2012

VIDEO GAME MODIFICATION IS TOTALLY THE SAME THING AS A FEMALE'S BODY AND CLONING SAID MODIFICATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS RAPE, GUYS!!!!!!!
Hot tip: Bring a DMR'd AK 7.62 when you use sentries. Set your rifle up so that you've got a 60 round mag (of 63 total rounds). Your first turret will cost you 2 bullets to deploy, while your second will cost 1 bullet. Run over an ammo bag and then set up your other two. Repeat.

Bring a secondary you like using. Or don't. You could just use a melee weapon, I guess.

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

LuciferMorningstar posted:

Hot tip: Bring a DMR'd AK 7.62 when you use sentries. Set your rifle up so that you've got a 60 round mag (of 63 total rounds). Your first turret will cost you 2 bullets to deploy, while your second will cost 1 bullet. Run over an ammo bag and then set up your other two. Repeat.

Bring a secondary you like using. Or don't. You could just use a melee weapon, I guess.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what's DMR mean in this context?

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Magnetic North posted:

Sorry for my ignorance, but what's DMR mean in this context?

It's a mod for CAR-4/AMR-16/AK 7.62 that lowers your total ammo count and increases damage a lot. You get it from an achievement - I think Private Party, the jewelry store one where you don't let any cops enter the building before the van comes back (after it goes loud)

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp

Magnetic North posted:

Sorry for my ignorance, but what's DMR mean in this context?

The DMR kit is a barrel mod that dramatically increases the damage of weapons in the CAR/AK families and reduces ammo count and pickup. It was made available in the AK/CAR Mod Pack.

Ripper Swarm
Sep 9, 2009

It's not that I hate it. It's that I loathe it.

LuciferMorningstar posted:

There's something buggy going on with them. It might be related to Jack of All Trades. In some instances, though, you can't pick up sentries until you've placed all your deployables/can only pick up one sentry at a time. If I'm using a sentry build, I spend probably 90% of the heist microing my babies.

From what I've seen, it seems to be a problem with both Jack Of All Trades and silenced turrets. If you bring 4 regular turrets, they're fine, you can pick them up whenever. If you bring regular turrets and another deployable with JoAT, you can only pick up a turret if your deployable inventory is empty ie all 4 turrets and your ammo bag are down. That doesn't go away at any point so once they're all down you can only shuffle them around one at a time. Silenced turrets are bugged whether or not you also have JoAT, so you can only move one at a time no matter what.

Someone told me the devs know and are working on it though!


Shooting Blanks posted:

It's a mod for CAR-4/AMR-16/AK 7.62 that lowers your total ammo count and increases damage a lot. You get it from an achievement - I think Private Party, the jewelry store one where you don't let any cops enter the building before the van comes back (after it goes loud)

You also need to own the AK/CAR mod pack DLC!

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


Magnetic North posted:

Sorry for my ignorance, but what's DMR mean in this context?

Designated Marksman Rifle

In the context of Payday 2, they are the heaviest Assault Rifles, which hit very hard and are usually capped by low ammo pickup rates and low total ammo counts. Prior to DMR's actually being weapon mods, the m308 and the Scar-H fell into this category.

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

Um, actually, DMR is short for dammer-ammer.

DelphiAegis
Jun 21, 2010

Skunkrocker posted:

Oh it's absolutely possible. I'm going off the assumption he's totally poo poo at driving. I mean he's having trouble completing Car Shop, so it's a safe assumption. :v:

I assume it's been from the start that you can use your aim button to see from the front bumper of the car? Because I didn't know this until I did goat simulator.

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
Ah. I am trying to bring a friend back into the fold, and turrets are his favorite (he used them when they were very bad) but he doesn't have that pack.

Tempest_56
Mar 14, 2009

Magnetic North posted:

Ah. I am trying to bring a friend back into the fold, and turrets are his favorite (he used them when they were very bad) but he doesn't have that pack.

Wait a week or two, it'll probably be on sale for like a buck.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Tempest_56 posted:

Wait a week or two, it'll probably be on sale for like a buck.
I dont have any DLC, what are the best ones to buy once they go on sale?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Bort Bortles posted:

I dont have any DLC, what are the best ones to buy once they go on sale?

I've got an effortpost describing and reviewing all DLC linked in the OP.

edit: here it is. Short version is gage courier, wolf, overkill and bbq packs, but it's almost all good.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Jun 9, 2016

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Magnetic North posted:

Ah. I am trying to bring a friend back into the fold, and turrets are his favorite (he used them when they were very bad) but he doesn't have that pack.

You don't need the DMR kit - it's good because the important thing is just to reduce the difference between magazine size and max ammo as much as humanly possible, because deploying a turret takes a percentage of your remaining ammo not currently in your weapon, but you can still use turrets with any other gun.

Laputanmachine
Oct 31, 2010

by Smythe

Bort Bortles posted:

I dont have any DLC, what are the best ones to buy once they go on sale?

Gage mod courier pack, first thing. After that, pretty much anything you want. You don't necessarily need heist dlc since you can just join lobbies even if you don't have it.

Anyway, here's some recommendations off the top of my head:

BBQ pack
Sokol pack
Historical Weapons pack
Alesso
Hotline Miami
Point Break
Big Bank

But really, all of the dlc have something good in them. The Chivalry medieval pack is the only one that I'm iffy about (the light crossbow with HE bolts is still drat good), but if Overkill is going to change up the way melee works, it might become a very good pack later.

Tempest_56
Mar 14, 2009

Bort Bortles posted:

I dont have any DLC, what are the best ones to buy once they go on sale?

The best value is still, I believe, picking up the GOTY upgrade since that's 15 DLCs (several very good) for a 75% off price.

Above all else, the Gage Mod Courier pack (since that unlocks Gagecoins with Goonmod).

If you're looking for weapons, the BBQ Pack (flamethrower, auto-shotgun, grenade launcher, molotovs), Gage Shotgun Pack (unlocks specialist ammo types like HE), Overkill Pack (minigun and RPG), and the Butchers' AK/CAR Mod Pack (a shitload of mods for AK and CAR pattern weapons - amazing if you use them).

For characters/perk decks, Sokol (Grinder deck), Sydney (Anarchist deck) and Clover (Burglar deck - only useful if you like stealth). I also like the Yakuza pack, but that's more because I love the Micro-Uzi and not because the Yakuza deck is good.

For heists, don't sweat it. Let other people who have too much money host.

bbcisdabomb
Jan 15, 2008

SHEESH
Gage coins work even if you don't have the courier DLC. You should still get it because it's really good, though.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Bort Bortles posted:

I dont have any DLC, what are the best ones to buy once they go on sale?

Steam Summer Sale is coming up shortly, I'd guess the vast majority of the DLC will go on sale then.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Also Sokol has been replaced as of the skill rebalance by Dragan as the new perk deck to own as Grinder's got nothing on Crook now.

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp
Dragan's perk deck is Infiltrator, Crook is a freebie from Crimefest 2014. The other things in the Dragan pack are a bad assault rifle and an unremarkable melee weapon.

Infiltrator is probably my favorite perk deck but it's not the strongest.

Dr Cheeto fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Jun 9, 2016

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

Dr Cheeto posted:

Dragan's perk deck is Infiltrator, Crook is a freebie from Crimefest 2014. The other things in the Dragan pack are a bad assault rifle and an unremarkable melee weapon.

Infiltrator is probably my favorite perk deck but it's not the strongest.

Those aren't the only things in that pack.

My boner pressed the button, not me.

Tempest_56
Mar 14, 2009

Mendrian posted:

Those aren't the only things in that pack.

My boner pressed the button, not me.

You can't kill me, I'm INVISIBLE!

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Update time! Two new heists that are basically designed to teach loud and stealth mechanics. I thought that was Jewelry Store's Job?

TopHatGenius
Oct 3, 2008

something feels
different

Hot Rope Guy
"Fixed an issue where the assault phase would not get disabled if captain winters would be killed before he got fully assembled on the level"

About. Time.

LuciferMorningstar
Aug 12, 2012

VIDEO GAME MODIFICATION IS TOTALLY THE SAME THING AS A FEMALE'S BODY AND CLONING SAID MODIFICATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS RAPE, GUYS!!!!!!!

Dr Cheeto posted:

Dragan's perk deck is Infiltrator, Crook is a freebie from Crimefest 2014. The other things in the Dragan pack are a bad assault rifle and an unremarkable melee weapon.

Infiltrator is probably my favorite perk deck but it's not the strongest.

IMO the Lion's Roar is a reasonably good assault rifle. Has good feel to me.

lol @ tutorials at this point

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Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
I told them on the forums there were new waves of pubs and new players that had no idea how play this game, and worse learned all the wrong lessons they could from old idiots. With how much the game has changed, it isn't the worst idea in the world just to make an interactive tutorial instead of counting on the safe house that no one apparently visits as the introduction and then to learn anything valuable from JS onwards. But hey, here's a new challenge, no skills and starter weapons without mods on the new heists. Also use the worst perk decks you can think of or ones that have no skills. Complete noob run.

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