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Hoops posted:Yeah I'll agree with that. The Tory ones turn much quicker for obvious reasons that I don't think need to be spelled out to the UKMT. David Blunkett seems to have remained a kind-hearted person, but then again I suppose he wasn't reading any of the reports.  He did go a bit fash and was very on board with the "ban stuff instead of dealing with the underlying social issues" bandwagon. And the "gun down prisoners instead of dealing with the underlying social issues" bandwagon, which fortunately was just him and Richard Littlejohn, Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jack of Hearts posted:There's no guaranteed GE until 2020, and in the meantime, is it unreasonable to wish to have a leader who has the support of the opposition? It would be nice to also have a leader who has the support of the opposition party.
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Jul 1, 2016 22:53
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Prince John posted:It's perfectly feasible to carry on using sterling, it's just dumb for the same reason that joining the Euro would be dumb, just even worse. Scotland would be ceding an exchange rate that floated according to its needs while having no control over monetary policy and only having access to tax raising/spending powers that were significantly smaller than those of rUK. What the SNP was proposing was not "we'll just continue using the sterling", it was a unified monetary policy with britain but without any centralised controls on scotland's fiscal policy, essentially a sterling-zone. this was unsurprisingly rejected by every major westminster party.
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Jul 1, 2016 22:56
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Why was marriage a constitutional issue in Ireland in the first place? Who defines marriage in their founding documents? DeValera wanted to draft a new constitution without mention to monarchy, replacing the leading office from Governer-General to President, making Irish the first official language and claiming the entire Island of Ireland as the territory of the State. Unfortunately he consulted with the Catholic Church to help pass his new constitution who were the reason it had a section on marriage, among other bits that had to be amended out.
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Jul 1, 2016 22:58
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OwlFancier posted:what the gently caress is with the 'accidentally pissed down my own leg' stance? It's and Alpha male stance that is supposed to convey a powerful sexual dominance. 
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Jul 1, 2016 22:58
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OwlFancier posted:I can't remember who I voted for but I think it was Stella Creasy. Paraphrasing from a half remembered tweet but: Hilary Benn saying ISIL were bad guys made Creasy go oh I never thought of that and vote for the bombing and that seems to be when people stopped talking positively about her
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Jack of Hearts posted:There's no guaranteed GE until 2020, and in the meantime, is it unreasonable to wish to have a leader who has the support of the opposition? It's unreasonable when the "opposition" don't actually oppose the government, yes.
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Jul 1, 2016 22:59
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Jack of Hearts posted:There's no guaranteed GE until 2020, and in the meantime, is it unreasonable to wish to have a leader who has the support of the opposition? Ignoring the membership except at election time is why Labour is in such a mess right now.
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keep punching joe posted:It's and Alpha male stance that is supposed to convey a powerful sexual dominance.
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keep punching joe posted:It's and Alpha male stance that is supposed to convey a powerful sexual dominance. 
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OwlFancier posted:I can't remember who I voted for but I think it was Stella Creasy. Constituency projects, stuff for the Co-operative Party (which is her primary party affiliation) about developing and promoting mutualisation. She's only a 2010-intake MP, and although she's a formidable campaigner, I think after her throwing her hat in for deputy in the post-Ed leadership ballots she's keeping her head down. Probably quite wise, tbh.
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Halman posted:Dumb American here but I thought Tom Watson was supposed to be good So did we. He has a reputation as being someone who knows his poo poo and does what's best for the party, as well as being someone who is good a backroom politics and could keep the PLP in line. Unfortunately, it seems pretty likely that that's accurate, but he's been fighting for the wrong team. I voted for him mostly because he seems to have a good head on his shoulders WRT the internet, communications and modern technology, but boy do I regret it now. Thinking back I don't think there actually were any deputy candidates that struck me as... you know, good. Also, did anyone consider the possibility that the reason Watson didn't run is that he would presumably have to give up the deputy seat and trigger a deputy election, in which Corbyn would run a lefty and the lefty would win?
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keep punching joe posted:It's and Alpha male stance that is supposed to convey a powerful sexual dominance. See when I think of alpha male sexual dominance I think of like, a dude in epaulets standing with one hand behind their back and the other one holding a sword or something. Not trying out for an extra role in a romero film.
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Jul 1, 2016 23:03
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a glitch posted:So one of my friends who's a member of Labour told me that a lot of the Labour right are planning on leaving the party and taking the Labour name with them if Corbyn wins the leadership vote again. Been wondering about this for a while. There's chunks of both parties that are dissatisfied with leadership and direction, and as the thread's noted there's plenty of overlap idealogically between new labour and centrist tory. I can't see such a part being especially successful outside of a vacuum left by the other two being poo poo.
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Jul 1, 2016 23:04
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I find it hilarious that Gove backstabs Johnson, and the Tories immediately say "Thanks for getting him out of the way, but don't bother us any further."
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Jul 1, 2016 23:05
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100% guarantee there will not be a split.
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Jul 1, 2016 23:05
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I find it hilarious that Gove backstabs Johnson, and the Tories immediately say "Thanks for getting him out of the way, but don't bother us any further." Tory politics is an oroborous of knives in backs.
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Jul 1, 2016 23:06
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This is 3d chess. Murdoch is using Gove to remove Boris whilst also making himself unelectable. And so the cascade of dominos tumbles... At the end of all of this Cameron ends up back in power and has to carry out order 50.
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OwlFancier posted:See when I think of alpha male sexual dominance I think of like, a dude in epaulets standing with one hand behind their back and the other one holding a sword or something.  
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Jul 1, 2016 23:07
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This probably was already brought up in last months thread. But I've only just seen it. In case there's others Hitler in his bunkers views on BREXIT - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6HNXtdvVQ
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qhat posted:What the SNP was proposing was not "we'll just continue using the sterling", it was a unified monetary policy with britain but without any centralised controls on scotland's fiscal policy, essentially a sterling-zone. this was unsurprisingly rejected by every major westminster party. Oh, sorry, I stand corrected! That is a bit more bizarre than I had realised.
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Jul 1, 2016 23:08
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Halman posted:It's like the Tories run a seminar on how to stand without looking human while doing so
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Jul 1, 2016 23:09
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Halman posted:Dumb American here but I thought Tom Watson was supposed to be good Tom Watson is a machine gun. He's nether good nor bad, he's just meant to be aimed.
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Jul 1, 2016 23:09
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namesake posted:Ignoring the membership except at election time is why Labour is in such a mess right now. That's specifically what I mean by "for a decade." If there's no early GE, then Labour MPs will have to be deselected in 2020, which will reform the party, but probably won't win a majority unless Britain is in a depression.
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Prince John posted:Oh, sorry, I stand corrected! That is a bit more bizarre than I had realised. the eurozone is basically the same thing although it's also a great example of what can happen when you can't do anything to stop member countries from making promises to blow up their public spending in order to win elections
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Gonzo McFee posted:Tom Watson is a machine gun. He's nether good nor bad, he's just meant to be aimed.
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He can liberate my colony any time.
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Prince John posted:Oh, sorry, I stand corrected! That is a bit more bizarre than I had realised. There were Yes supporters who weren't happy with the idea either but to be honest the SNP had a few proposals like that which were essentially keeping things the same as pre-Indy like having the Queen as head of state which also resulted in some arguments.
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Guavanaut posted:The idea of Tom Watson making David Blunkett aroused disturbs me greatly. David Blunkett can't aim.
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More and more I get the impression that the real problem is just that human beings are poo poo and however hard we try we just can't do civilisation because we're just animals with shoes
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Hoops posted:100% guarantee there will not be a split. That's very confident of you... what else could MPs do if Corbyn was re-elected in a contest? I mean, they could decide to try to respect the wishes of the members by I think everyone knows that's not going to happen.
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OwlFancier posted:He can liberate my colony any time. Gonzo McFee posted:David Blunkett can't aim.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36688370quote:The Labour MP for Blaydon, Dave Anderson, is to be the party's new shadow Scottish Secretary, a senior source has told BBC Scotland. TinTower posted:To be fair, the Scottish independence white paper had half as many pages as the Leave plan had words in total. Because they had none?
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TheHoodedClaw posted:Constituency projects, stuff for the Co-operative Party (which is her primary party affiliation) about developing and promoting mutualisation. She's only a 2010-intake MP, and although she's a formidable campaigner, I think after her throwing her hat in for deputy in the post-Ed leadership ballots she's keeping her head down. Probably quite wise, tbh. I went a-looking, and looks like she's putting the boot into Corbyn with the rest of them over Brexit. That's a shame, I voted for her. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/07/stella-creasy-labour-party-running-empty quote:...
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Tom Watson is good because he takes on hyper intelligent shark people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4oNjTuTz-8
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Prince John posted:I went a-looking, and looks like she's putting the boot into Corbyn with the rest of them over Brexit. That's a shame, I voted for her. Not a surprise, she refused to work with Corbyn from day one. Hasn't been nearly as visible as a lot of Corbyn critics like Mann & Philips but definitely consistently not been a fan. Despite generally liking the idea of the Co-op Party, a lot of their MPs seem to be kind of bad.
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:There were Yes supporters who weren't happy with the idea either but to be honest the SNP had a few proposals like that which were essentially keeping things the same as pre-Indy like having the Queen as head of state which also resulted in some arguments. The arguments about keeping the Queen as head of state were mainly about how the SNP handled it. Scotland isn't a crown territory, it's a country Brenda is the monarch of. What that means to you may vary, but Salmond decided he would magnanimously accept her as Scotland's head of state when the reality was that she was Scotland's head of state unless and until an independent Scotland abolished the monarchy. That was literally all the human shortbread tin had to say in answer to the question "Will Scotland retain the monarchy?". But instead he was so loving full of himself that he acted like she was Queen only by his permission.
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forkboy84 posted:Not a surprise, she refused to work with Corbyn from day one. Hasn't been nearly as visible as a lot of Corbyn critics like Mann & Philips but definitely consistently not been a fan. Despite generally liking the idea of the Co-op Party, a lot of their MPs seem to be kind of bad. It's because most Co-Op Party politicians are Labour first, Co-Op second. Stella's one of the rare exceptions. Typically, the primarily Labour Co-Op politicians are the ones most opposed to the Co-Op Party allowing membership to non-Labour people, to the consternation of a lot of Green and Lib Dem members of the Co-Op Society. TinTower fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jedit posted:The arguments about keeping the Queen as head of state were mainly about how the SNP handled it. Scotland isn't a crown territory, it's a country Brenda is the monarch of. What that means to you may vary, but Salmond decided he would magnanimously accept her as Scotland's head of state when the reality was that she was Scotland's head of state unless and until an independent Scotland abolished the monarchy. That was literally all the human shortbread tin had to say in answer to the question "Will Scotland retain the monarchy?". But instead he was so loving full of himself that he acted like she was Queen only by his permission. I still can't believe there was an argument for monarchy that went way out of scale then it should have too. It's like out of all the questions to answer, the loving monarchy is one of the big ones and I'm just putting my hand across my face.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Why was marriage a constitutional issue in Ireland in the first place? Who defines marriage in their founding documents? Note that although marriage wasn't explicitly defined as between a man and a woman in the constitution, the Irish supreme court had consistently interpreted it that way and so overturning all that precedent required a constitutional amendment rather than just have the Dail pass a law making it legal.
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