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WickedHate posted:Punisher MAX may be one of the best comics ever, period. Other than that, I don't know if there's ever been much of note out of the line. Alias was pretty good, I guess. It's basically Punisher, Alias and maybe the first bit of Supreme Power.
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Supreme Power is one of my favorite comics ever. The first volume (18 issues) is definitely worth reading.
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Jul 5, 2016 14:23
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Detective No. 27 posted:Oh. That's pretty lame. Yeah but the person it was is not a new character and makes sense.
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Jul 5, 2016 15:40
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Detective No. 27 posted:Link away. Toxxupation posted:Okay, just to be clear the "recommended" US-M reading order from beginning to SW is: I would strongly recommend against reading All-New Ultimates (it's legit the worst run of comics I've ever read and doesn't affect absolutely anything else, it's basically a sidestory that's written terribly and fucks up the good characterization work that Bendis put into the people who eventually form the team - think Gillen's YA but an unfocused boring mess that makes everyone in it look like dumb assholes) , but if you're a completionist make sure to read it before the final arcs of Miles Morales The Ultimate Spider-Man. Anyways yeah, have fun, Bendis' USM run is mostly really really good and even when it's not, most of the time it's not his fault.
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Jul 5, 2016 15:50
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Toxxupation posted:I would strongly recommend against reading All-New Ultimates (it's legit the worst run of comics I've ever read and doesn't affect absolutely anything else, it's basically a sidestory that's written terribly and fucks up the good characterization work that Bendis put into the people who eventually form the team - think Gillen's YA but an unfocused boring mess that makes everyone in it look like dumb assholes) Ooof, I'd be interested in hearing more about this. I had no idea it was that bad.
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Jul 5, 2016 15:52
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WickedHate posted:Ooof, I'd be interested in hearing more about this. I had no idea it was that bad. I'll spoil this since it's end-of-the-Ultimate-Universe poo poo for someone who's never read it. You know Cataclysm right? Basically: Bendis wrote a really good Ultimate line-wide crossover event, possibly the only one of its type, and it ends with Thor and Captain America "dying". Tony, in grief, decides that he can't lead the Ultimates any more so Jessica Drew steps up and goes, "Okay, then we're gonna carry the banner, the next generation". And the whole team is basically everyone Bendis spent a lot of time turning into really good characters in the pages of USM - Cloak and Dagger, Kitty Pryde, Jessica Drew, Miles Morales, and Lana Baumgartner (Bombshell). I was so hyped because this was all of Bendis' best characterization work forming a superteam, and basically the writer on All-New Ultimates completely and totally hosed it up every step of the way. I mean, to be clear, the art is terrible, I mean just the worst art ever, and this is the debut of the Ultimate Spider-Woman redesign which took one of the best costume designs ever and turned it into one of the worst, it's kind of incredible. But even disregarding that it tries to be a "young", "hip" comic the way that, again, Gillen's Young Avengers was where it's got one story that the team is trying to address while they're getting chased down by an enemy, but in contrast to YA which was the destruction of humanity via an invasion of a mind-controlling parasite that targeted all adults, All-New Ultimates is...drugs I think? It's like, the lowest-stakes poo poo imaginable, with these "all new superteam" basically acting out a PSA and trying to shut down the drug trade in some section of Manhattan. It's the least epic sounding poo poo imaginable. And this is on top of the characterization work, which is rancid. Cloak and Dagger break up for no reason and then get back together for no reason. Which, considering Cloak and Dagger's whole gimmick is that they're in true love and are in a symbiotic relationship, makes the sheer nonchalance that the book treats them breaking up feel like the writer fundamentally did not understand the characters. Jessica Drew realizes she's gay and, well, that's it. That's all she does. She realizes she's gay, tries to kinda-sorta hit on Kitty Pryde, and then just like, hangs around as the leader of the team. It feels like, again, the guy who wrote this read Gillen's YA run which dealt with sexuality all the time and just wedged in a plot point that Bendis was clearly building to and then did nothing with it. It's more insulting than if she had just stayed closeted. Kitty Pryde mine as well not exist, she's so boring. Bombshell, probably my favorite original character in all of the Ultimate imprint, gets all of her edge filed down. Miles gets it arguably the worst, because the book basically sets him up as a dumb horny bastard for the complications to happen. Like, a villainess invites him up to a rooftop, alone, in a clear trap, but he goes anyways because she's like super hot. And that's basically how the book sets up its endgame. It's just awful. It's a one story arc, but feels like it's faffing about all the time - I mean, for god's sake there's literally a beach episode in the middle of the run that doesn't even work as decent character work. It's this total mess of a book that feels like it squandered literally all of the potential from both Cataclysm and Bendis in building a team of all of his pet favorite characters that he put the legwork into making compelling figures. It's just so loving bad. It's unbelievable how bad it is.
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Jul 5, 2016 16:22
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Toxxupation posted:
Huh, just like Batman & Robin.
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Jul 5, 2016 16:32
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Detective No. 27 posted:Oh. That's pretty lame. Not sure how you were expecting him to be killing the real Doom when we all know Goat-Doom left the universe way earlier in the run. Everything about that event was dumb and terrible.
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Jul 5, 2016 17:07
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Nevvy Z posted:Not sure how you were expecting him to be killing the real Doom when we all know Goat-Doom left the universe way earlier in the run. I figured he came back in some side book I didn't read.
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Jul 5, 2016 17:12
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It's weird because I like Fiffe in COPRA, even including the way he handles his not-suicide-squad characterization, and I like Milonogiannis's art on his Image and indie stuff, but they both totally fall flat in Ultimates. When he comes on around issue.... 5? Milonogiannis does his weird sci-fi Ghost in the Shell cars in the backgrounds but they feel actively *wrong* slotted into the Ultimate Universe where the visual style is already established. There are parts in his issues that should have the crazy energy I know he can do for fight scenes, but they just feel static and lazy.
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Jul 5, 2016 17:14
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I'm not going to defend the art choices (which I didn't mind as much as most people but didn't think were above replacement level) but I really liked Fiffe's Ultimates just for it being an exercise in like, 1980s Marvel nostalgia that doesn't really exist anywhere else. You get tons of Silver/Bronze age nostalgia and reinvention, and you even get smatterings of like Silvestri-into-Lee X-Men nostalgia, and all sorts of efforts into "rehabbing" "1990s" characters, but who is re-imagining Gruenwald Cap and Stern Avengers and Michelinie Spider-Man for the 21st century? No one, at least outside of Ultimates. He actually posted a "curtain call" of all of the influences when the book ended, including some concept art he did that I would have like to have seen better translated to the book itself.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:22
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Waid/Ramos are on a new Champions book starting in the fall. Team is Miles, Ms Marvel, Nova, Amadeus-Hulk, Viv Vision and lil' Cyclops. http://comicbook.com/2016/07/05/marvel-announces-new-champions-series/ 
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Jul 5, 2016 18:31
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Feels like it's going to last for all of six issues but I have hopes. A good Marvel Teen Titans would be great, was sort of let down by the last Young Avengers.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:40
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So is ANAD Avengers ending or just getting a new lineup? Either way, I'll def be checking this out.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:41
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Dacap posted:Waid/Ramos are on a new Champions book starting in the fall. Team is Miles, Ms Marvel, Nova, Amadeus-Hulk, Viv Vision and lil' Cyclops. gently caress. YES. Holy poo poo, this rules so hard. Thank god Vision's gonna have a legacy.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:57
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I wish they could commit properly to a new generation for once. It's me, I'm the world's only Surge fan.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:59
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Toxxupation posted:gently caress. YES. Their impulse is one of my all time favorite runs. It is so good.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:02
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I'm really interested in seeing the Vision family as a part of the larger Marvel universe.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:06
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Dacap posted:Waid/Ramos are on a new Champions book starting in the fall. Team is Miles, Ms Marvel, Nova, Amadeus-Hulk, Viv Vision and lil' Cyclops. Other than Cho-Hulk, I am so about this team, and its possible it will make Cho interesting. I never thought about bringing Vision's family from the book, but holy hell that's a good idea.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:09
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Yeah I am amazingly excited for that book.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:10
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I thought they couldn't call a book Champions?
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twistedmentat posted:Other than Cho-Hulk, I am so about this team, and its possible it will make Cho interesting. I never thought about bringing Vision's family from the book, but holy hell that's a good idea. I actually wasn't much into Chulk either and then at X-O's suggestion I read up on Totally Awesome Hulk, and it's a fun book with neat ideas. He's not anywhere near my favorite character ever and of that group is the person I'm by-far least interested in seeing, but he's gone from "totally forgettable/basically unnecessary" to "A good character" off his solo. And from what little I've read of young Scott from his tie-ins with Guardians/Nova they actually did a lot to rehabilitate the character, which is saying something considering how much I despise Old Cyclops. Maybe I should give his solo where he's adventuring with his dad a shot.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:15
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I like Deadpool MAX just fine.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:35
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Toxxupation posted:Is Legendary Star-Lord, the Star-Lord SW mini, or the current Star-Lord ongoing good? Dacap posted:Waid/Ramos are on a new Champions book starting in the fall. Team is Miles, Ms Marvel, Nova, Amadeus-Hulk, Viv Vision and lil' Cyclops. This is exactly the book I've been wanting since ANADA was first announced last year.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:45
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It's so weird to seen Young Cyclops drawn as like 13 since even the original young Cyclops was a beefy dude. I don't mind it, it's just a little surreal.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:45
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Well, part of that is Jack Kirby drawing everyone as way beefier than necessary.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:46
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Viv Vision and Amadeus Cho (and kid Cyclops, I guess) joining the ANAD trio? Written by Mark Waid?
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Jul 5, 2016 19:57
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Little Mac posted:I thought they couldn't call a book Champions? They've settled the legal stuff around that and can use it again
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Jul 5, 2016 20:03
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The Great Lakes Avengers are back!quote:GREAT LAKES AVENGERS #1  
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Jul 5, 2016 20:20
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I was about to say "wow I wouldn't care about this at all but I'm all in for the Allred art", but I guess that's just the one cover. drat.
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Jul 5, 2016 20:25
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Hell yes, Viv Vision! I don't even care if it's kind of a spoiler for Vision itself, I'm so glad at least one of them is sticking around!
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Jul 5, 2016 20:29
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She's the only one of them who hasn't brutally murdered anyone yet right?
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Jul 5, 2016 20:36
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BrianWilly posted:She's the only one of them who hasn't brutally murdered anyone yet right? Regardless, I am psyched for the Champions because my God what a good team, and also very pleased to learn that at least somebody's gonna survive Vision. Not sure if I'm going to keep reading ANAD Avengers, though, since all the good characters are leaving.
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BrianWilly posted:She's the only one of them who hasn't brutally murdered anyone yet right? I thought you meant of the Champions and was like "holy poo poo what did i miss with Ms. Marvel?"
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Jul 5, 2016 20:48
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So with Camps and USAvengers, is everyone guessing we'll see new writers on New/Avengers? Anyone disproving that on Twitter? e: I guess USA might take the place of New. Tom King woulda made an exciting Avengers author 
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Jul 5, 2016 20:50
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CapnAndy posted:Has Vin? No, but I think the end of the last issue of Vision implied pretty heavily that Victor just killed Vin.
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Jul 5, 2016 20:51
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Oh I thought maybe Vin killed that classmate but I was wrong.
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Dacap posted:Waid/Ramos are on a new Champions book starting in the fall. Team is Miles, Ms Marvel, Nova, Amadeus-Hulk, Viv Vision and lil' Cyclops. For the first time in a long time I am probably going to actually buy a book monthly, instead of waiting for it to come to Unlimited. I am happy about every one of these characters.
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Making the two wild, unjustified assumptions that there's no roster overlap between the Champions and main Avengers team, and that the current ANAD Avengers otherwise stick around there—that leaves a super traditional Avengers squad: Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Wasp, and Vision. But 60% of them are recent legacies taking up those super-identities, so still very New/Different.
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Teenage Fansub posted:So with Camps and USAvengers, is everyone guessing we'll see new writers on New/Avengers? Anyone disproving that on Twitter? Assuming the announced lineup of USA is complete, there's still plenty of characters left in New for a book and Ewing has room on his plate with Contest dead. ANAD less so, with the three kids gone and especially if Tony bites it in CW2 like people are guessing he might.
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