Summer Games Done Quick 2016 - From Mario to Mario in 154 hours

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Your Computer: Oct 3, 2008; Grimey Drawer

symbolic posted:

Just curious, when you talk about Paper Mario, are you talking about the original PM or the PM series in general?

Can you even call it a series when they only made two games?

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:19

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Majuju: Dec 30, 2006; I had a beer with Stephen Miller once and now I like him.

more like vaper mario: thousand year snoooooore

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:20

drunken officeparty: Aug 23, 2006

Your Computer posted:

Can you even call it a series when they only made two games?

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:20

Kaboom Dragoon: May 7, 2010; The greatest of feasts

The original concept for the BFG was a single projectile that fired dozens of cluster shots in its wake, but the technology wasn't advanced enough at the time. Hence, invisible shotgun lasers.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:21

symbolic: Nov 2, 2014

Your Computer posted:

Can you even call it a series when they only made two games?

I like the way you think.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:21

SuccinctAndPunchy: Mar 29, 2013; People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

jerkstoresup posted:

Do they run Chocolate Doom?

The green ball does contact damage, and then a second later there is an invisible cone that comes out from the player like a shotgun blast.

Sometimes it's Chocolate Doom, sometimes other sourceports, varies by runner. Take a look: http://www.speedrun.com/doom1

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:22

drunken officeparty: Aug 23, 2006

if a trilogy is 3 what is 2? a biology?

anyway I've never played TTYD all the way through but I begrudgingly accept that it can kind of live up to the Paper Mario name. anything after that is not even worth thinking about

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:22

dragon enthusiast: Jan 1, 2010

SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

Being a puzzle game enthusiast I'm genuinely curious why you think that. Tetris Attack is pretty fun.

i dunno why they do these things as a race and don't have them play against each other since the games are kinda made for 1v1 play, maybe it becomes a blowup unless you have evenly skilled players

With no way to attack your opponent (in fact garbage blocks give you more pieces to work with when cleared), Puzzle League matches devolve into stalling and waiting to see who dies first. Like if the runners, who are theoretically the best players in the world, are getting stonewalled by AI in a 20 year old game, there's a problem with the core game mechanics.

SRS Tetris also has this issue, and if you watch VS superplay matches on YouTube you'll notice that while it all looks impressive, matches are decided by who makes a mistake first. There have been Tetris games in the past where you could directly influence your opponent's board state depending on where you made your line clears, and those games were well-regarded competitively.

Conversely games like Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine overly reward offense, since garbage actively hinders your ability to make matches on the board. Since you have no way to defend yourself matches devolve into who can chain high enough to send enough garbage to fill the opponent's board first. This was fixed in subsequent Puyo games where you can offset incoming garbage with your own chains, and unsurprisingly the metagame has developed techniques that are basically the puzzle equivalent of fighting game footsies.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:23

symbolic: Nov 2, 2014

Majuju posted:

more like vaper mario: thousand year snoooooore

drunken officeparty posted:

anyway I've never played TTYD all the way through but I begrudgingly accept that it can kind of live up to the Paper Mario name. anything after that is not even worth thinking about

TTYD is amazing and I will fight you both at 3 pm at the flagpole.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:23

Kaboom Dragoon: May 7, 2010; The greatest of feasts

drunken officeparty posted:

if a trilogy is 3 what is 2? a biology?

A duology.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:24

Sage Grimm: Feb 18, 2013; Let's go explorin' little dude!

A sequel.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:24

Your Computer: Oct 3, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Sage Grimm posted:

A sequel.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:24

New Concept Hole: Oct 10, 2012; 東方動的

HAIL SATAN

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:25

drunken officeparty: Aug 23, 2006

symbolic posted:

TTYD is amazing and I will fight you both at 3 pm at the flagpole.

when the original is literally and unironically the greatest video game ever made i dunno man

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:25

Blockhouse: Sep 7, 2014; You Win!

New Concept Hole posted:

HAIL SATAN

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:25

Blockhouse: Sep 7, 2014; You Win!

TTYD has the train chapter it's the better game

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:26

Power of Pecota: Aug 4, 2007; Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

drunken officeparty posted:

if a trilogy is 3 what is 2? a biology?

anyway I've never played TTYD all the way through but I begrudgingly accept that it can kind of live up to the Paper Mario name. anything after that is not even worth thinking about

imo call it a diptych. I played the SiN diptych when they came out.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:26

DoctorStrangelove: Jun 7, 2012; IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:26

jetz0r: May 10, 2003; Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.

New Concept Hole posted:

HAIL SATAN

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:27

Dias: Feb 20, 2011; by sebmojo

adamantine i'll shove adamantine up your rear end

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:28

DoctorStrangelove: Jun 7, 2012; IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

lol Satan's a bitch, DOOMslayer would rip is loving throat out no problem.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:29

SuccinctAndPunchy: Mar 29, 2013; People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

dragon enthusiast posted:

With no way to attack your opponent (in fact garbage blocks give you more pieces to work with when cleared), Puzzle League matches devolve into stalling and waiting to see who dies first. Like if the runners, who are theoretically the best players in the world, are getting stonewalled by AI in a 20 year old game, there's a problem with the core game mechanics.

SRS Tetris also has this issue, and if you watch VS superplay matches on YouTube you'll notice that while it all looks impressive, matches are decided by who makes a mistake first. There have been Tetris games in the past where you could directly influence your opponent's board state depending on where you made your line clears, and those games were well-regarded competitively.

Conversely games like Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine overly reward offense, since garbage actively hinders your ability to make matches on the board. Since you have no way to defend yourself matches devolve into who can chain high enough to send enough garbage to fill the opponent's board first. This was fixed in subsequent Puyo games where you can offset incoming garbage with your own chains, and unsurprisingly the metagame has developed techniques that are basically the puzzle equivalent of fighting game footsies.

Tetris Attack is one of the few like, mainstay puzzle games I never really got stuck into so I'm not terribly well versed in its mechanics and it's not terribly apparent from watching it either, so thanks for this post.

also lol I know about early puyo games not having any ability to clear garbage and jesus christ I don't know how I enjoyed playing that game with people before they fixed that, probably because we were all too rear end to really have the game devolve into "whoever shits a chain out of X size first wins by default".

# ? Jul 7, 2016 02:30