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System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

aphid_licker posted:

LOL just LOL if you think I'm talking to this dude.

This is funny tho: http://www.mz-web.de/mitteldeutschl...84#plx914325331

Wtf are “Germaniten“?

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Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

Das sind die, die nicht von oben sondern von rechts hängen

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

bronin posted:

Some of you may know that I work in a small Verwaltungsgemeinschaft in Bavaria. Anyway we got our own Reichsbürger. And I swear to god he's doing exactly what is written here: http://www.hannespharma.info/index.php/en/staatsangehoerigkeit/staatsangehoerigkeitsurkunde

To what end? gently caress if I know. I read that poo poo a couple of times but still don't get why these people are doing what they are doing.

Because they think laws are magic and if you say the right words, you become immortal. If you still die, you just did the spell wrong.

See Rowling, Joanne K.: Harry Potter, Vol. I-VII for additional information.

There is also the book by the Verfassungsschutz Brandenburg that analyzes the whole community and pretty much shows that these are deeply disturbed people with legitimate mental issues.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

ArchangeI posted:

There is also the book by the Verfassungsschutz Brandenburg that analyzes the whole community and pretty much shows that these are deeply disturbed people with legitimate mental issues.

Do they mention Reichsbürger in a footnote as well?

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

System Metternich posted:

Wtf are “Germaniten“?

Turns out they've got a website of their own, but I clicked it away immediately, because like three videos started to play simultaneously, one of which suspiciously looking like Holocaust denial.

fake edit: holy poo poo, their party platform is amazing

quote:

1. Wir sind eine durch und durch bürgerliche Partei, nur, wie die jetzigen Parteien das Volk beherrschen ist nicht richtig! Wir haben nämlich eine diktatorische Demokratie(Herrschaft der Pöbels)!

2. Wir streben mit aller Macht einen Friedensvertrag und die gesamte Rückerstattung unseres Landes inden Grenzen von 1939 und somit die totale Souveränität an!

3. Wir werden wieder einen Kaiser haben!

4. Wir unterstützen keine Korruption! Jede Korruption wird bestraft! Gesetze dazu werden benötigt!

5. Wir wollen eine deutsche Verfassung. Es muss wieder eine Verfassung vom Volk gewählt werden!

6. Wir werden aus der EU austreten, denn diese EU hätte nie als Wirtschaftunion vereinbart werden dürfen! Die EU ist somit kein Staat!

7. Wir werden aus dem Euro austreten, denn das war genau der gleiche Fehler! Viele Länder werden dadurch in den Ruin getrieben! siehe Griechenland, Irland, etc.

8. Wir ändern die Verkehrsverordnung! Punkte gibt es nicht mehr! Führerscheinentzug gibt es nicht mehr! Dafür werden die Strafen etwas höher liegen! Es werden, wenn möglich, fliegende Autos zugelassen!

9. Wir werden die Steuern senken! So das bis 1000 GE keine Steuer greift! Bis 2000 GE 5%; Bis 4000 GE 10%; Bis 8000 GE 15%; Bis 50000 GE 20%; Ab 100.000 GE 25%

10. Parteien, die mit der Wirtschaft zusammen arbeiten darf es in Deutschland nicht mehr geben! Das betrifft: CDU, CSU, FDP, SPD, Piraten, die Grünen, Bündnis 90 und sonstige Parteien, die sich der Wirtschaft hingeben! Die Wirtschaft darf sich aber beim Kaiser Gehör verschaffen, und Verbesserungen vorlegen, die vom Volk zur Abstimmung vorgelegt werden müssen!

11. Beschneidung ist nicht erlaubt, und widerspricht den heidnischen Glauben

12. Menschenhandel ist verboten und wird mit 50 Jahren Zuchthaus bestraft!

13. Strom, Kanal, Gas und Wasser sowie die Wasseraufbereitung wird wieder vom Staat betreut!

14. Für alles was das Volk angeht, muss ein Volksentscheid her!

15. Die Rente wird auf 1800 GE pro Rentner festgesetzt!

16. Gerichtsvollzieher gibt es nicht mehr! Sollte jemand in Zahlungschwierigkeiten geraten, so haftet die Komune!

17. Die Benzinpreise werden um 1,00GE pro Liter gesenkt!

18. Krankenkassen müssen auch wieder vom Staat betreut werden!

19. Cannabis, eine Droge oder Heilmitttel? Fakt ist, das im Mittelalter an fast jeder Siedlung ein Cannabisfeld gab! Warum, waren die süchtig oder wollten die Cannabis zum heilen verwenden? Wir glauben das Cannabis zur Heilung von Krebs und anderen gut zu gebrauchen ist! Forschungen haben das in der USA auch bewiesen! Nur wenn es ein Heilmittel ist, kann damit die Pharmaindustrie kein Geld verdienen! Kann nämlich jeder selbst ein Heilmittel herstellen! Deshalb sagen wir, Cannabis wird erlaubt!

20. Medizin ist im Ausland viel günstiger als hier bei uns in der BRiD, hier wollen alle abzocken, deswegen wird Medizin aus dem Ausland erlaubt! Schitt was auf die Pharmalobby und Industrie! Wir denken erstmal an uns Bürger!

21. Die GEZ, nach meiner Meinung eine Schande für die BRiD! Die GEZ wird abgeschafft und somit kann sich jeder Sender über Werbung oder sonstiges finanzieren!

22. Downloads brauchen wir alle, ganz egal um was es sich da handelt! Deswegen sagen wir "JA" zu Downloads, jeder Teilnehmer zahlt deswegen 2 GE mehr zum Vertrag! Das Urheberecht wird damit umgangen! Wenn der Urheber nachweisen kann, wie oft es gebrochen wurde, bekommt er einen festgesetzten Betrag aus der Downloadkasse!

23. AGs sind wie ein eigener Staaten im Staat! Der deutsche Staat bezieht nur die Mehrwertsteuer, die nicht abgesetzt werden kann! Die Menschen die da Arbeiten müssen in erster Linie Deutsche sein, die ihre Steuer beim deutschen Staat zahlen! Die Krankenkasse, Rente bezahlt aussschließlich die AG und deren Mitarbeiter!

24. Das die Zechen geschlossen wurden haben wir einzig und allein den Juden und Freimaurern hier zu verdanken! Der Grund war, dass Deutschland keine Möglichkeit mehr haben soll aus Stahl Waffen zu produzieren! Das war der größte Fehler den die BRiD gemacht hat, alles unter dem Juden Schmidt und Helmut Kohl, sein wirklicher Name soll Henok Kohn sein! Wir werden die Zechen wieder öffnen und Stahl produzieren, koste es was es wolle! Auch wenn wir die Zechen verstaalichen müssen! Wir benötigen Stahlharte Männer, also wählt uns!

25. Brach liegendes Ackerland darf wieder bestellt werden! War eh eine von den Juden und Freimaurern auferzwungene Sache, um den Menschen hier in Deutschland das Getreide aus Amerika aufzuzwingen! Wir sollten von Amerika abhängig gemacht werden, anstatt uns mit unserem Getreide selbst zu versorgen und die Überschüsse in der Welt anbieten zu können, sollen wir Gentechnisch verseuchtes Getreide kaufen!

26. Das Werk von Opel wird übernommen und umgerüstet um dort fliegende Autos zu bauen! Viele ehemalige Opellaner werden übernommen! Ist doch schade, wenn die Gebäude und das Potential der Leute dort vernachlässigt werden...

27. Eine EU kommt nur für uns in Frage, wenn das gesamte Volk Europas eine Verfassung wählt, die eine Mehrheit ab 75% hat! Sollte sich das mal irgendwann ändern wird Deutschland die EU wieder verlassen!

28. Der Islam gehört nicht zu Europa oder Deutschland! Wir werden wieder die alten Zustände herbeiführen! Hier sind deutsche, europäische Sitten und Gebräuche gefragt und wer sich nicht einfügen will ist hier nicht willkommen...

29. Prostitution wird verboten, nur wer sich freiwillig prostituiert, ohne das jemand die Frau unterdrückt oder erpresst wird, bekommt eine Erlaubnis...

30. Familie wird bei uns GROß geschrieben und deswegen bekommt jede deutsche Famile ein Van bei der Geburt des ersten Kindes! Bei der Geburt des zweiten Kindes 10000 GE, aber wir wollen nicht das wir uns zu sehr vermehren, deswegen nur noch beim 3. Kind 5000 GE, und wenn es noch mehr werden bekommt nur noch 2500 GE!

31. Damit auch jede Familie eine Wohnung oder Haus hat, bekommt die Familie ein Zinsloses Darlehen, für die Wohnung oder Haus!

32. Falls jemand arbeitslos wird, bekommt er sofort wieder eine Arbeit! Falls es keine Firma gibt, die ihn aufnehmen will, muss bei Antrag Strafe zahlen, außer er kann nachweisen, das er sich das finanziell nicht leisten kann, aber das prüfen wir nach! Die Strafe beträgt 100.000 GE und die bekommt der Antragsteller, sofort!

33. Erst müssen Deutsche angestellt werden, das hat Priorität, wer das unterläuft wird nicht mehr in Deutschland produzieren dürfen!

34. Über Juden und ihre Religion(unbedingt den Talmud lesen) wird im Reich unterrichtet! Jeder im Reich muss wissen was für ein Volk die Juden und was für eine Organistion die Freimaurer sind! Auch wird Hitler´s Buch: "Mein Kampf" in den Schulen als Unterrichtsmaterial zugelassen

35. Ausländer die sich nicht einfügen wollen und somit eine Parallelgesellschaft im Staat aufbauen, müssen das Reich wieder nach drei Monaten verlassen!

36. Islamisten haben nur Aufenthaltsrecht für drei Monate, sie haben keine Einwanderungsmöglichkeit! Auch dann nicht, wenn sie eine arische Deutsche zur Frau nehmen! Es bleibt dann der Frau überlassen, wo sie sich aufhalten möchte! Wir dürfen ja auch nicht zum Urlaub nach Mekka fahren!

37. Jedes christliche Land der Erde kann sich uns anschließen, sofern sie unsere Gesetze akteptieren! Toleranz zählt hier nicht!

38. Da uns Deutsche der erste und zweite Weltkrieg von den Juden und Freimaurern aufgezwungen wurde (hier), werden wir dieses noch Gerichtlich bestätigen und somit Schadensersatzt in Höhe von 100.000.000.000.000,00 GE fordern!

39. Wir deutsche brauchen wieder ein Bewusstsein, das uns Deutschen verbindet! Deswegen sagen wir: Deutsch sein ist unser Ziel! Wir brauchen wieder eine Nation/Staat, die dem Bürger entspricht!

40. Energie, Wasser, Luft, Erde/Land und Kanal, alles was dem Volk gehört, bleibt auch in Volkes Hand! Nichts wird verkauft, oder zur Verwaltung überlassen! Alles was jetzt schon die Bundesrepublik in Deutschalnd verkauft, oder verpachtet hat, ist nicht rechtens! Es wurde dem Deutschen Volk gestohlen und Mafiamäßig verkauft. Es wird alles enteignet werden und diese Leute und deren Verwandte und Kinder haben ihr ganzes Leben lang Einreiseverbot in Deutschland! Das gilt auch falls sie Präsidenten, Diplomaten oder Politiker in einem anderen Volk geworden sein sollten!

41. Die Kinder gehören den Eltern und werden dementsprechend erzogen und gebildet! Ferner wird es keine Versexualisierung der Kinder geben! Sexualuntericht fängt vor der Pupertät an, aber frühestens erst ab 12 oder 13 Lebensjahren!

42. Wer sich gegen das Volk erhebt wird mit lebenslanger Strafe rechnen müssen! Wer dem Volk schadet hat mit lebenslanger Strafe zu rechnen! Wer Volksverhetzung betraibt, muss mit Lebenslanger Strafe rechnen! Wer sich gegen das Deutsche Reich stellt, ist ein Volksverräter! Wer Volksverblödung betraibt muss mit lebenlanger Strafe rechnen! Das Deutsche Reich und das Land ist seit mehr als 3000 Jahren unsere Heimat, und wer da nicht rein möchte kann sich selbstverständlich eine neue Heimat suchen!

I tried to bold the most insane parts, but stopped when I realised that everything was the most insane part

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
Ich bin ziemlich müde und hier dudelt gerade Bach von nem Drucker gespielt.

Mich würde mal eher interessieren, wie die Ämter auf solche irren Anträge reagieren.

az
Dec 2, 2005

System Metternich posted:

Turns out they've got a website of their own, but I clicked it away immediately, because like three videos started to play simultaneously, one of which suspiciously looking like Holocaust denial.

fake edit: holy poo poo, their party platform is amazing


I tried to bold the most insane parts, but stopped when I realised that everything was the most insane part

Wowza o_O

Also kill everyone who uses ellipses absolutely everywhere instead of a full stop ..........

edit: "38. Da uns Deutsche der erste und zweite Weltkrieg von den Juden und Freimaurern aufgezwungen wurde (hier), werden wir dieses noch Gerichtlich bestätigen und somit Schadensersatzt in Höhe von 100.000.000.000.000,00 GE fordern!" lolol, what's a GE, I assume a libertarian GELDEINHEIT?!

bonus points for misspelling betreibt as betraibt multiple times.

az fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jul 10, 2016

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Somehow out of all that it was at "das Opelwerk soll umgerüstet werden um fliegende Autos zu produzieren" that I started to suspect that that might be satire.

ArchangeI posted:

There is also the book by the Verfassungsschutz Brandenburg that analyzes the whole community and pretty much shows that these are deeply disturbed people with legitimate mental issues.

Dissidenten für verrückt erklären, typisch für totalitäre Systeme

aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Jul 11, 2016

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Nothing about gays, I'm honestly shocked.

elwood
Mar 28, 2001

by Smythe

JaucheCharly posted:

Ich bin ziemlich müde und hier dudelt gerade Bach von nem Drucker gespielt.

Mich würde mal eher interessieren, wie die Ämter auf solche irren Anträge reagieren.

Man bearbeitet das wie bei jedem anderen Bürger auch und ignoriert den restlichen Müll. Sind Anträge drin, die Sinn machen könnten, wird das auch bearbeitet. Ist nur Scheiss dabei, wird angekündigt, dass man weitere Eingaben in Zukunft ignoriert und das wird dann auch gemacht. Kommt ein 20 Seiten Copy und Paste Schrott, liest sich das aber auch niemand mehr komplett durch.

Afriscipio
Jun 3, 2013

We came across some of those magical legalists protesting outside of the Reichstag. They had put up a banner in four languages, explaining that the 4th Reich is still active because of some law that was never repealed and the communist/fascist/capitalist/globalist alliance was ready to unite all of Germany (which doesn't actually exist, in legal terms) under an iron fist.

My wife kept trying to parse the banner, trying to make sense of it. She thought you had to have a point to protest, that your claims had to have some basis in reality. I had to explain to her about the "freemen of the land" and all that crap, tell her they were crazy and they were not protesting anything real.

I think she got caught up in the legal terms, legal language usually makes sense, right?

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
4th Reich? 3rd Reich? 6th Reich?

Afriscipio
Jun 3, 2013

JaucheCharly posted:

4th Reich? 3rd Reich? 6th Reich?

It was definitely the 4th Reich. They even had a PA system blaring out their philosophy, narrated by a professional who's voice sounded like something from a nature documentary.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Oh my god, I have discovered flat earther. I didn't know they really existed, but they do, and they are all Reichsbürger. What did you do America? You have infected us.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

Flat earther is a thing you just made up, right.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

a cartoon duck posted:

Flat earther is a thing you just made up, right.

If you think something is too stupid for anybody to sincerly believe in, Google will find at least two independant Protestant churches in America who genuinely believe it.

az
Dec 2, 2005

An argument flat earthers like Tila Tequila use a lot is why is there no curvature to the horizon if the earth is flat. Also they believe that Big NASA is hiding the truth and that you can fall off at the south and north poles which is why you aren't allowed to go there :spooky:

Babies Getting Rabies
Apr 21, 2007

Sugartime Jones

waitwhatno posted:

Oh my god, I have discovered flat earther. I didn't know they really existed, but they do, and they are all Reichsbürger. What did you do America? You have infected us.

Come on, son, as if we needed Americans to inspire completely retarded belief systems. Those have a long and proud tradition in our beautiful fatherland.

And oh man, you guys are in for a treat if you delve into the esoteric scene in Germany. There is so much absolutely insane poo poo that people genuinely believe and that is pretty widespread. Like, go to any supermarket right now and search for organic products, I guarantee you will easily find some that have crossed-out bar codes. Because, you see, bar codes actually poison you with radiation or something, but crossing them out negates that. :pseudo:

Also, watch Die Mondverschwörung, if you haven't already.

az
Dec 2, 2005

You know what's better than conspiracy theorist naturalists? Conspiracy theorist naturalists who worship the old germanic gods and think Germany needs to go back to that nice völkische stuff they had in the thirties. Also Hitler wasn't a bad guy, have some more Dinkelaufstrich. I had a family of those for neighbors a long time ago, poo poo went bad fast when they tried to form a boy scout troop and it turned out to be nothing but ancient germanic and völkische indoctrination to prepare them for the race war.

Babies Getting Rabies
Apr 21, 2007

Sugartime Jones
Yeah, the separation between "weird esoteric person obsessed with ancient germanic druids and poo poo" and "actually just a nazi who likes dnd a lot" is pretty flimsy at best. Another fun game to play: Go to one of those book shops that specialize in eso poo poo, grab random books from the shelf and search for anti-semitic stuff. In my experience, it won't take very long.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
The granddad of a friend was into some weird esotheric nazi poo poo. Found out when I heard the name of this uncles. All had names like Athalwolf.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

az posted:

An argument flat earthers like Tila Tequila use a lot is why is there no curvature to the horizon if the earth is flat. Also they believe that Big NASA is hiding the truth and that you can fall off at the south and north poles which is why you aren't allowed to go there :spooky:

I tried to watch this "200 Beweise dass die Erde flach ist" video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GCac9fFH6o

and it's really anti-climatic and not as fun as I imagined it. :geno: I made it to Beweis 15 and it's the same three arguments ad nauseam.

- "If earth round, why not fall of? " They straight out deny Newtonian gravity and assume that the earth is suspended in some homogeneous gravitational field, that runs through the entire universe. Pretty lazy

- "If earth round, why rail, river, road, canal, etc. build straight?" I guess this is just ignorance of slopes/calculus? It's weird that they can't grasp the concept of a slope, I think a lot of these people have some form of learning disability.

- "Why horizon look straight, if earth round?" I guess this is just ignorance of how large the earth is? Pretty lazy, you can look that poo poo up in 5 sec. :effort:

All in all it's a pretty lazy conspiracy theory, 2 out of 10, would not look up again

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
That's actually an ASMR video and the content is intentionally abstruse and boring to keep your brain from focusing on it too much, so you can relax and fall asleep! :pseudo:

Edit: wow.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB-JPbJzRtA

Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jul 11, 2016

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
What would happen if it were not leftists that terrorize Berlin every night to stop refugees living in "their" buildings but actual Nazis? Would people demand the Bundeswehr to be deputized to fight them?

For reference: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ambivalente-politik-berlins-zum-linksextremismus-14335740.html

elwood
Mar 28, 2001

by Smythe

Afriscipio posted:

We came across some of those magical legalists protesting outside of the Reichstag. They had put up a banner in four languages, explaining that the 4th Reich is still active because of some law that was never repealed and the communist/fascist/capitalist/globalist alliance was ready to unite all of Germany (which doesn't actually exist, in legal terms) under an iron fist.

My wife kept trying to parse the banner, trying to make sense of it. She thought you had to have a point to protest, that your claims had to have some basis in reality. I had to explain to her about the "freemen of the land" and all that crap, tell her they were crazy and they were not protesting anything real.

I think she got caught up in the legal terms, legal language usually makes sense, right?

That is usually Rüdiger Klasen and his staatenlos.info bullshit.

Default Settings
May 29, 2001

Keep your 'lectric eye on me, babe
In case anyone worries about ships sailing off the disc, I'll just post this decidedly scientific projection of Earth:


Now if I could only consolidate that with the hollow Earth all scientists would see reason.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Default Settings posted:

In case anyone worries about ships sailing off the disc, I'll just post this decidedly scientific projection of Earth:


Now if I could only consolidate that with the hollow Earth all scientists would see reason.

So if I read this like a flat earther, there's some kind of interdimensional void on the other side of Giant Ring Antarctica? Do we have to fear for our scientists accidentally falling outside the planet at the edge?

az
Dec 2, 2005

The Discworld series is a very important historical body of work.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Default Settings posted:

In case anyone worries about ships sailing off the disc, I'll just post this decidedly scientific projection of Earth:


Now if I could only consolidate that with the hollow Earth all scientists would see reason.

Aha, so that's why all fights from South America to Australia fly across the north pole! It's simply the shortest route!

Fake edit: Ahaha, I just looked it up, and apparently they actually use that as an argument for a flat earth. After all, if the earth was a globe, those flights would just go across the south pole instead for the shortest route. Looks like Big Airtravel is in on the hoax! :pseudo:

az
Dec 2, 2005

I wonder what they say about Big Compass, lying to us about cardinal directions for millennia in the name of... well why do they think anybody would cover up a flat earth, desk globe manufacturing profits?

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

az posted:

I wonder what they say about Big Compass, lying to us about cardinal directions for millennia in the name of... well why do they think anybody would cover up a flat earth, desk globe manufacturing profits?
Mental issues, low education, low intelligence, confirmation bias, and most importantly:

General distrust in people who can't explain things simple enough; and thus make them feel like outsiders.

Many people seriously underestimate the amount of negative sentiment generated by explanations that are too steeped in their own culture and filled with nothing but terms-of-trade understandable only to insiders. Also see: Anything on Wikipedia remotely relating to math.

Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Jul 12, 2016

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Haha, holy poo poo, political parties are literally dying out.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/mitgliederschwund-etablierte-parteien-verlieren-mitglieder-1.3074482

Average age of all members is 50-60 years and membership has halved since 1990 due to "natural causes".

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

waitwhatno posted:

Haha, holy poo poo, political parties are literally dying out.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/mitgliederschwund-etablierte-parteien-verlieren-mitglieder-1.3074482

Average age of all members is 50-60 years and membership has halved since 1990 due to "natural causes".

Probably because a lot of people don't want to spend their money on membership dues when they can instead air their concerns via social media.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

That, but it's mostly part of a general trend. It's not just political parties, it's churches, choirs, fire fighters, even football clubs have to close shop due to no new players joining which would have been totally unthinkable 20-30 years ago. People don't see the need to be a part of larger social groups anymore I guess, partially because modern technology has opened up easy (and in some ways arguably better) alternatives, but also because of a general trend towards individualism that has been going on for a loooong time now.

e: and yet our political system is still entirely geared towards Bonner Republik-style parties doing everything, so I guess it wouldn't be the worst move to join a political party as a young person right now if you want a relatively easy way to power and influence, because the old geezers there will in many cases be super glad to have you as their Aushängeschild

System Metternich fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Jul 12, 2016

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

GaussianCopula posted:

Probably because a lot of people don't want to spend their money on membership dues when they can instead air their concerns via social media.

I don't think anyone from the Bundestag actually reads my shitposts in this forum. :(

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

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System Metternich posted:

That, but it's mostly part of a general trend. It's not just political parties, it's churches, choirs, fire fighters, even football clubs have to close shop due to no new players joining which would have been totally unthinkable 20-30 years ago. People don't see the need to be a part of larger social groups anymore I guess, partially because modern technology has opened up easy (and in some ways arguably better) alternatives, but also because of a general trend towards individualism that has been going on for a loooong time now.

e: and yet our political system is still entirely geared towards Bonner Republik-style parties doing everything, so I guess it wouldn't be the worst move to join a political party as a young person right now if you want a relatively easy way to power and influence, because the old geezers there will in many cases be super glad to have you as their Aushängeschild
If only I hadn't studied Chemistry and then went on to do my PhD in Austria! I could already be a hugely successful SPD politician in Bavaria






never mind

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


SPD in Bavaria is always a funny joke. Always.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

System Metternich posted:

That, but it's mostly part of a general trend. It's not just political parties, it's churches, choirs, fire fighters, even football clubs have to close shop due to no new players joining which would have been totally unthinkable 20-30 years ago. People don't see the need to be a part of larger social groups anymore I guess, partially because modern technology has opened up easy (and in some ways arguably better) alternatives, but also because of a general trend towards individualism that has been going on for a loooong time now.

The problem is one of scale. Too many people in too cramped environments in an ever complex world having to accommodate an increasing number of -often competing and incompatible- outlooks.

There have been overcrowding experiments done with rats in the past and they seem to have a lot similarities to what we see today.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1644264/pdf/procrsmed00338-0007.pdf

John B. Calhoun posted:

The results obtained in this study should be obtained when customary causes of mortality become markedly reduced in any species of mammal whose members form social groups. Reduction of bodily death (i.e. 'the second death') culminates in survival of an excessive number of individuals that have developed the potentiality for occupying the social roles characteristic of the species. Within a few generations all such roles in all physical space available to the species are filled. At this time, the continuing high survival of many individuals to sexual and behavioural maturity culminates in the presence of many young adults capable of involvement in appropriate species-specific activities. However, there are few opportunities for fulfilling these potentialities. In seeking such fulfilment they compete for social role occupancy with the older established members of the community. This competition is so severe that it simultaneously leads to the nearly total breakdown of all normal behaviour by both the contestors and the established adults of both sexes. Normal social organization (i.e. 'the establishment') breaks down, it 'dies'.

Young born during such social dissolution are rejected by their mothers and other adult associates. This early failure of social bonding becomes compounded by interruption of action cycles due to the mechanical interference resulting from the high contact rate among individuals living in a high density population. High contact rate further fragments behaviour as a result of the stochastics of social interactions which demand that, in order to maximize gratification from social interaction, intensity and duration of social interaction must be reduced in proportion to the degree that the group size exceeds the optimum. Autistic-like creatures, capable only of the most simple behaviours compatible with physiological survival, emerge out of this process. Their spirit has died ('the first death'). They are no longer capable of executing the more complex behaviours compatible with species survival. The species in such settings die.

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Professor Mellanby said Dr Calhoun had suggested that by 1984 man was going to be as crowded as his mice and that this would have disastrous effects. Experiments had been going on for a long time with man. Man was not uniformly distributed. He lived in some communities just as crowded as Dr Calhoun's mice. Professor Mellanby had been very familiar with populations in parts of London forty years ago which were restricted communities. People seldom moved out of them. Until the children were taken to camps for holidays they had seldom been more than a quarter of a mile from their homes. They were living amidst extreme crowding and bred very successfully. Therefore, was it not possible to get an answer to this for human beings by examining such communities? Did crowded, enclosed communities behave like the mice? Or did this occur most obviously in those communities which had about the lowest population density in Sweden or the United States?

Dr Calhoun replied that 1984 was not the year in which ultimate density would be attained, but a date beyond which the opportunity for decision making and designing to avoid population catastrophe might be quickly lost. He stated, in any case, that density per se was not the major factor, that rate and quality of social interaction were paramount issues. Basic to his thesis was that despite the thousandfold increase in human numbers since the beginning of culture, some forty to fifty thousand years ago, there had been no change in effective density. The reason for this, alluded to by Professor Young, was that man had discovered a new kind of space, conceptual space, which enabled man to utilize ideas in order to mine resources and guide social relations. However, there was a breaking point for this process, at which time physical density might overwhelm man's ability to utilize conceptual space in order to cope with increasing numbers and it was that breaking point which we might be rapidly approaching. The fact that reproduction could be affected by density had been dealt with by Dr Thompson in Indianapolis (Thompson 1969). An older study for Scotland (Kincaid 1965) had shown that stillbirths and other parameters were density related. However, in terms of conceptual space, it might be the necessity for limitations to growth which might be the more difficult conceptual area for man to deal with. In that case a further increase in birth rate might be expected past the breaking point (Galle et al. 1972).

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Ghost Farts posted:

Also, watch Die Mondverschwörung, if you haven't already.

That should be required viewing for everyone in this thread imo

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Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
John Goodman let himself go.

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