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Waffleman_ posted:Miniature-based games usually operate on grids or hexes anyway, so measurement isn't an issue. That and for games that don't use grids or hexes, laser distance finders/levels have been a thing that's been in use for years and are cheaper and just as small as this Bagel. That and laser levels also help with determining line of sight.
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:.5% error compared to a tape measure that costs nothing and has a 0% error is pretty bad lol if you think tape measures have 0% error This product is still dumb, though. How do they have such larger error? Digital calipipers work on principles that could be adopted here, and they’re very accurate and precise.
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wa27 posted:Shouldn't the "wheel" mode of measurement be able to measure.... any distance? Why only 10 meters? On the other hand, would you really want to roll that thing for more than 10 meters?
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Really, a loving bluetooth, app-enabled TAPE MEASURE?  It seems the only "innovation" people can come up with nowadays is "Take an everyday object and make it interact with your smartphone in a pointless way."
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Collateral Damage posted:Really, a loving bluetooth, app-enabled TAPE MEASURE? That's a bit of a knee-jerk reaction of this thread... This makes a lot of sense if you're making multiple measurements, e.g., to measure a room. Sure, you can scribble the numbers on a piece of paper like a poor person, but it is a hell of a lot more convenient to have the numbers on your phone, especially for bringing down to the shop to get wallpaper or paint or whatever. Alternatively to track the length/height of something over time. Again, sure you can do it by hand, but it is more convenient to have it done automatically.
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Platystemon posted:lol if you think tape measures have 0% error The point of a tape measure though is that it's error is consistent, and I seriously doubt this is the case here - and that's because they almost certainly use the same mechanism as a digital micrometer. The problem with that is that it sets a pretty hard speed limit on how fast you can measure something - if you spin the tone wheel so it's passing the sensor faster than the measuring resolution of the circuitry it'll under-read, and slop in the gearing means inconsistent speed can cause it to over-read. That's why, for sensitive measurements, you always close the micrometer afterwards and ensure it returns to zero. If it doesn't, you zero it and try again. Now obviously for tape-measure duties they can get away with much lower gearing because they don't need to be measuring to fractions of a mm so those issues won't be quite as critical, but against that you've got no reliable way of re-zeroing. Also the string method will suffer from the inconsistent gearing ratio of a piece of string wrapped around a bobbin without something to lay it and pay it out consistently, and the wheel method is entirely reliant on someone being able to push something along a perfectly straight line. So like you say, sure tape measures can be pretty inconsistent, but if you use the same measure for everything then you're only dealing with the sub-mm fluctuations caused by temperature. This thing will never be able to measure the same distance twice, so it's useless. I kinda like the idea of a tape measure with a voice memo function though.
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klafbang posted:This makes a lot of sense if you're making multiple measurements, e.g., to measure a room. Sure, you can scribble the numbers on a piece of paper like a poor person, but it is a hell of a lot more convenient to have the numbers on your phone, especially for bringing down to the shop to get wallpaper or paint or whatever.  Yeah it was a knee jerk reaction. Obviously there is proper innovation as well, but there's definitely a subset of people (especially on kickstarter) who are just trying to shoehorn Bluetooth and appification into everything.
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klafbang posted:That's a bit of a knee-jerk reaction of this thread... It makes taking multiple measurements a nightmare. Instead of just writing it down on paper and being able to go
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Guess we jut measure differently  I have a handful of notes on my phone that are just a list of measurements from moving recently; each for a different purpose and from a different time (one for approximate room sizes, one for wall sizes for paint, one for curtains etc). I can easily remember the order in which I measured things by retracing my steps, the numbers not so much. Just add a voice memo for each group of measurements (say rooms); I'd assume the app would show a little icon for voice memos, so I wouldn't have to listen to it either.
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klafbang posted:That's a bit of a knee-jerk reaction of this thread... …or you can buy a laser measure for half the price, often with built-in features such as figuring out the area and volume of multiple measurements and keeping track of the last umpteen of them. Also with a fair amount of precision and speed.
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"No more cutting your fingers on metal tape edges." Does this happen? I've never had it happen and I'm pretty good at accidentally hurting myself.
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Germstore posted:"No more cutting your fingers on metal tape edges." Does this happen? I've never had it happen and I'm pretty good at accidentally hurting myself. Tbh, this needs to be added as an “accident kill” in the latest Hitman.
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Platystemon posted:lol if you think tape measures have 0% error well not exactly zero but it's not 0.5% (as advertised, it'll almost certainly be worse)
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Germstore posted:"No more cutting your fingers on metal tape edges." Does this happen? I've never had it happen and I'm pretty good at accidentally hurting myself. I worked as a carpenter/installer for like ten-fifteen years and this happened exactly once. Oddly, I managed to get tiny papercut like cuts from plastic/vinyl 200' tapes like three or four times.
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bongwizzard posted:I worked as a carpenter/installer for like ten-fifteen years and this happened exactly once. I've had it happen about 5 times, but it's not nearly as painful as papercuts. Especially in all the webbing of your hands...
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Even if my tape measure/laser measure had a bluetooth connection and exported every measure into a complete google sketchup blueprint of my house accurate down to the nanometer, I'd probably still just grab a pencil and jot down the lengths and angles and do quick calculations on the back of some sandpaper or a piece of wood, and bring those notes with me when I need to buy materials. I do a lot of home improvement and other home carpentry projects, and even if that thing was 100% accurate I really don't see it being more effective than using a normal tape measure/yardstick and a pencil.
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its not for you, its for wannabes that think their equipment holds them back from mastery of whatever hobby they are currently into
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Fauxtool posted:its not for you, its for wannabes that think their equipment holds them back from mastery of whatever hobby they are currently into There's probably a good cross-section of people who backed this thing and that color changing pen.
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if i bought a batter camera i would be a better photographer
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Why do you need crowdfunding for a kitchen knife? I don't get it.
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Jul 12, 2016 03:42
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Nevermind that $120 for a chef's knife isn't even a "better price." Some are definitely way more expensive, but you can get a quality knife for cheaper.
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 Looks like a great business model, guys!
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Xandu posted:Nevermind that $120 for a chef's knife isn't even a "better price." Some are definitely way more expensive, but you can get a quality knife for cheaper. Case in point, an excellent quality knife for less than half the price. And possibly can be had for cheaper, that's just a quick look at a local restaurant supply store.
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Jul 12, 2016 05:35
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My name a Bulat. Very naice!
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Jul 12, 2016 07:31
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More cutting edge ideas: razor with sapphire blades! Why have machines assemble your razor cartridges when you can do it yourself?
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This is their second time trying to kickstart this, the first time had a smaller goal but was cancelled because they couldn't find equity investors. Their solution? now the goal is for the entire amount needed, well above what they got last time! A sound business strategy.
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Gann Jerrod posted:This is their second time trying to kickstart this, the first time had a smaller goal but was cancelled because they couldn't find equity investors. Their solution? now the goal is for the entire amount needed, well above what they got last time! A sound business strategy. So it is. I like how they’ve revised the blade lifetime from “ten years guaranteed” to “maybe six months”. Must be that budget sapphire.
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Platystemon posted:More cutting edge ideas: So the razor costs $200 but the blades are less than $39. Apparently the handle is worth somewhere between $161 and $200? They seem to have turned the "razor and blades" business model on its head.
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Platystemon posted:Why have machines assemble your razor cartridges when you can do it yourself? Good video, good concept, I'd gladly pay $20 for... Oh, the cheapest option for it is $66 shipped? I'll back it for now and then the thread can tell me if I was an idiot or not, giving me time to cancel the pledge.
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Gann Jerrod posted:This is their second time trying to kickstart this, the first time had a smaller goal but was cancelled because they couldn't find equity investors. Their solution? now the goal is for the entire amount needed, well above what they got last time! A sound business strategy. I can't imagine why they would have trouble finding investors. quote:But, in contrast to "the razor blade model" that exists today, we plan to make very little margin on the replacement cartridges.
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So I'm going to start a kickstarter that sells handles that are compatible with their blade for $10. You can go ahead and buy the blades from them.
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Xandu posted:I can't imagine why they would have trouble finding investors.
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Guess I'll have to be the hipster that reminds these people that safety razors exist. A good safety razor is in the 20-30€ ballpark and will last an eternity. Then you have razor blades, you can get a hundred for 15€ delivered off Amazon. Assuming a blade lasts for three shavings (if you have an extra coarse beard, usually it lasts more) and you shave once per day, that's 0,05€ per day. Instead you have a 200€ razor that lasts six months, which is more than 1€ per day. B-b-but it's got sapphire blades! 
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Jul 12, 2016 11:20
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the blades look cool. still wont buy.
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Mikl posted:Guess I'll have to be the hipster that reminds these people that safety razors exist. I've got a good safety razor and plenty of blades but it seems like I can't get a good shave with it. I just can't keep the head at the right angle. One thing that works for me is shaving with a cartridge razor one day and then the safety razor the next day, going back and forth. But that's an annoying bother if I can be honest.
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Jul 12, 2016 11:33
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Just buy that laser shaver and never have to buy blades again!
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RandomPauI posted:I've got a good safety razor and plenty of blades but it seems like I can't get a good shave with it. I just can't keep the head at the right angle. One thing that works for me is shaving with a cartridge razor one day and then the safety razor the next day, going back and forth. But that's an annoying bother if I can be honest. Everybody has their own face and no one is alike, you just have to find what works for you, be it blades or cartridges or using an epilator*. Personally I would never go back to cartridges, since the shave I get with a safety razor is so much closer. But if cartridges work for you, that's fine. * I'm joking. Do not actually do this.
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wa27 posted:
Yes, retail, famous for having 50% margins.
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I guess they're just hoping you don't remember how there are already multiple companies purporting to save you money on direct selling blades.
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Mikl posted:A good safety razor is in the 20-30€ ballpark and will last an eternity. Then you have razor blades, you can get a hundred for 15€ delivered off Amazon. Assuming a blade lasts for three shavings (if you have an extra coarse beard, usually it lasts more) and you shave once per day, that's 0,05€ per day.
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