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forkboy84 posted:There's also Private Eye. Please stop correctly guessing the papers and magazines I buy.
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More Angela Momentsquote:The Labour leadership candidate [Eagle] brought up her referendum debate performance, where she told Johnson to stop using the £350m figure. “Oh Boris, isn’t he great for just bouncing around,” she joked. (from the Guardian feed) Also Nige is a fan of the new Cabinet in case you had any doubts: https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/753310314356236289
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namesake posted:I don't think the EU would stand for that kind of brinkmanship bullshit to be honest. They might not stand for it, but (legally) its possible.
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Jul 13, 2016 21:44
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Breath Ray posted:capitalism is good. extreme poverty has been halved, globally, in just 20 years Worldwide poverty has taken a nosedive thanks to the efforts of the People's Republic of China but I'm not sure you can credit that to capitalism
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Jul 13, 2016 21:45
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forkboy84 posted:It's a worthless pledge because he's not going to be Prime Minister. Putting that practicality aside, if you're going to ignore a referendum result then just loving ignore it, don't keep running plebiscites until you get the result you want. I would never wind someone up. If anything I'm trying to calm you down because you said may is thatcherite when she is really a bit more old fashioned than that. She can be pretty centrist as labour have gone left and brexit gives her an excuse for isolation so I don't think wars are on the cards either. Just a few reasons too be cheerful itpo plus Scotland where you are you have further insulation
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HorseLord posted:Worldwide poverty has taken a nosedive thanks to the efforts of the People's Republic of China but I'm not sure you can credit that to capitalism china's a fair chunk of the progress, but a) free market reforms are a large part of china's improvement and b) it's down a lot outside of china too  https://ourworldindata.org/world-poverty/
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Jeremy Corbyn 16 mins · I congratulate Theresa May on her appointment as Prime Minister. I was glad we were able to speak on Monday after she won the leadership of the Conservative Party. I welcome Theresa May's acknowledgement that, after six years of Tory government in which she was a senior minister, the economy is not working for working people. Her promise to give workers a say in boardrooms and act against exploitative zero hours contracts is also a step in a better direction. But most important is for the new administration to abandon the destructive austerity policies which have damaged our economy and undermined living standards for most people. Labour will hold her government to account and make the case for a complete change of economic direction. It is vital that negotiations for Britain's withdrawal from the European Union, in particular, reflect the broadest political agenda. The referendum result sent a clear message from parts of Britain that have been left behind by globalisation. It is essential that the new government recognises that and acts to ensure future generations have the chance to fulfil their potential. But Labour is clear that democratic legitimacy for Theresa May's government can only come from a general election.
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Jul 13, 2016 22:00
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Grouchio posted:I wonder what PM May will do first... It's every PM's first job.
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Jul 13, 2016 22:03
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By going with an anti-Brexit line Smith is fishing for short term support from young metropolitans at the expense of long term support from traditional Labour heartlands. What a muppet.
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Jul 13, 2016 22:04
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Zephro posted:Write secret letters to Britain's Vanguard submarine captains telling them whether or not to launch their nukes if the government has been destroyed in a decapitation strike. Solid post/AV combo. 
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Jul 13, 2016 22:06
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Zephro posted:Write secret letters to Britain's Vanguard submarine captains telling them whether or not to launch their nukes if the government has been destroyed in a decapitation strike. It's very depressing to think that the UK also probably has a Samson Doctrine lying around.
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Jul 13, 2016 22:06
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coffeetable posted:china's a fair chunk of the progress, but a) free market reforms are a large part of china's improvement and b) it's down a lot outside of china too welcome to my buddy list
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Jul 13, 2016 22:07
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Zohar posted:More Angela Moments ahahh
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Jul 13, 2016 22:07
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coffeetable posted:china's a fair chunk of the progress, but a) free market reforms are a large part of china's improvement I'm not sure an economy where it's impossible to enter into most industries unless you're either chinese or willing to give the government a 50% share of your business there counts as "free market", nor the part where if you practice business outside a strict set of guidelines the government will send an execution van to your house. Anyway, has there been any noises of a proper legal challenge to the NEC disenfranchising a whole shitload of people yet?
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spiderbot posted:By going with an anti-Brexit line Smith is fishing for short term support from young metropolitans at the expense of long term support from traditional Labour heartlands. What a muppet. Bonkers if so as our fishing industry will revive overnight when we leave
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Jul 13, 2016 22:08
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coffeetable posted:china's a fair chunk of the progress, but a) free market reforms are a large part of china's improvement and b) it's down a lot outside of china too Nah it aint capitalism. We just got real good at logistics. Capitalism rode in on the coattails.
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Jul 13, 2016 22:09
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nothing to seehere posted:They might not stand for it, but (legally) its possible. You can't just slam down a legal opinion from the HoL like a trump card. Every indication from the EU is that the UK is on a course to exit; everyone will be mentally adjusted to an exit, businesses will be making plans for exit, the other EU states politics will be shaped by the expectation of the UK leaving. Going right to the very end of this hard process and then just going 'Nope!' will do the UK no favours at all. There's no legal precedent for this so you're relying on politics and good relations with the other European states; we don't have those and won't have those, so hoping that a EU court rules in our favour after pulling stunts like that is absolutely crazy. Seriously, the referendum was a bad idea with worse execution but you've got to get on board for fighting for the best possible terms of an exit rather than throwing everything away on a vague hope of not getting kicked out of the EU.
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coffeetable posted:china's a fair chunk of the progress, but a) free market reforms are a large part of china's improvement and b) it's down a lot outside of china too Poverty is decreasing, but inequality has been increasing consistently for the last 200 years of capitalist hegemony and is only now maaaaybe starting to come down and that's mostly due to the efforts of (once again) China. team overhead smash fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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namesake posted:You can't just slam down a legal opinion from the HoL like a trump card. Every indication from the EU is that the UK is on a course to exit; everyone will be mentally adjusted to an exit, businesses will be making plans for exit, the other EU states politics will be shaped by the expectation of the UK leaving. Going right to the very end of this hard process and then just going 'Nope!' will do the UK no favours at all. There's no legal precedent for this so you're relying on politics and good relations with the other European states; we don't have those and won't have those, so hoping that a EU court rules in our favour after pulling stunts like that is absolutely crazy. I'm not saying it would be a good idea, or one that would go down well. But given that A. Its really hard to expel members from the EU and B. The legal opinion is in that direction, that it is possible for Smith to promise a referendum on a deal as a promise that a labour government in power could plausibly keep. I agree we should just get on with trying to get the best exit terms and not try to go back, but it is a feasible opinion a opposition or government could take.
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I feel like Phillip here is a good example of what Boris Johnson will be like as foreign secretary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOQcxMhVYlU
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nothing to seehere posted:You can actually take back article 50 once you begin negotiates, according to the legal review done for the House of Lords. So you can invoke article 50, negotiate a exit deal, send it to referendum, and then uninvoke article 50 if it comes back a no. Who did the legal review for the House of Lords? The House of Lords aren't the body that has actual say on whether we could do that.
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After the UK invokes article 50 you're out after two years at the latest, and no amount of trying to get a backsie is going to change that. The rest of the EU will unceremoniously tell Grate Britane to get hosed and not to let the door hit your rear end on your way out.coffeetable posted:china's a fair chunk of the progress, but a) free market reforms are a large part of china's improvement and b) it's down a lot outside of china too I think the proper takeaway here is that saying "capitalism is good because poverty has decreased" is horseshit because it's clearly possible for poverty to decrease under lovely politico-economic systems.
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About Owen Smith...Oberleutnant posted:Those of you pontificating about a new PM ignoring the referendum result and refusing to get the ball rolling: you know that'd lead us straight into full fascism, right?
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nothing to seehere posted:I'm not saying it would be a good idea, or one that would go down well. But given that A. Its really hard to expel members from the EU and B. The legal opinion is in that direction, that it is possible for Smith to promise a referendum on a deal as a promise that a labour government in power could plausibly keep. It's not. If the UK triggers article 50, which it will, you're out after a maximum of two years. Any referendums in the UK about a deal matter for somewhere between jack and poo poo, because you're getting thrown out deal or no deal.
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Breath Ray posted:What does thatcherite mean to you? gently caress the poor, gently caress the ill, gently caress the disabled, gently caress the unemployed, gently caress the North of England, gently caress Scotland, gently caress Northern Ireland, gently caress education, gently caress infrastructure, gently caress industry, gently caress manufacturing, gently caress communities, gently caress altruism, gently caress human rights gently caress public services, in summation gently caress everything that isn't the private financial service industry, Corporate America approved, or the city of London. May has mouthed some soothing words but until her government starts sharing actual policies they're all loving Thatcherites because all the Conservative party has cared about for the past 20 years is how Thatcher-like are you. Edit: Cerebral Bore posted:After the UK invokes article 50 you're out after two years at the latest, and no amount of trying to get a backsie is going to change that. The rest of the EU will unceremoniously tell Grate Britane to get hosed and not to let the door hit your rear end on your way out. The UN has even given them an extra lever to force us out by saying the UK's austerity policies are violating human rights.
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Jul 13, 2016 22:22
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JFairfax posted:Jeremy Corbyn I really dislike the notion that a particular Prime Minister is only legitimate if he or she was leader when they won a general election. It encourages presidential style leadership rather than first amongst equals. Also come off it Mr Corbyn, Labour is in no position to win a GE. Or possibly even avoid a Tory landslide
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Jul 13, 2016 22:23
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Found a video of the Eagle thing: https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/753335598262394880
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Milotic posted:I really dislike the notion that a particular Prime Minister is only legitimate if he or she was leader when they won a general election. It encourages presidential style leadership rather than first amongst equals. Also come off it Mr Corbyn, Labour is in no position to win a GE. Or possibly even avoid a Tory landslide He's probably just getting back at the Tories for yelling about Gordon Brown being unelected for years.
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Kaislioc posted:Who did the legal review for the House of Lords? The House of Lords aren't the body that has actual say on whether we could do that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvf0WWxrYRM&t=25s
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Jul 13, 2016 22:29
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Zohar posted:Found a video of the Eagle thing: the eagle is flapping
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Jul 13, 2016 22:32
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Zohar posted:Found a video of the Eagle thing: To be fair, thats roughly my reaction aswell
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Jul 13, 2016 22:33
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Zohar posted:Found a video of the Eagle thing: Lmao
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Jul 13, 2016 22:34
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Zohar posted:Found a video of the Eagle thing: Brutal.
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:The UN has even given them an extra lever to force us out by saying the UK's austerity policies are violating human rights. If violating human rights were grounds for EU expulsion they'd have no members left.
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I still can't believe noted fuckwit and waste of amino acids Boris "Moron" Johnson is going to be Foreign Secretary. Hope is a prison. Skulls for the skull throne.
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Killed By Death posted:The two witnesses quoted in the report are David Edward and Professor Derrick Wyatt, who both came to the conclusion that it is possible for the invoking member to reverse Article 50, because there is nothing saying they can't, i.e. the Air Bud defence To quote Article 50, Treaty on the European Union (Lisbon Treaty): quote:2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. So no, the UK can't just say "um, no." They can say it and then get all twenty-seven EU member states to agree within two years of the Article 50 notice, otherwise they're automatically out.
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TheRat posted:To be fair, thats roughly my reaction aswell If anything, her going  at the news kind of humanizes her to me. And I think the endless attempts to backstab Corbyn are dumb. But how the gently caress else can you react to finding out that Boris is FOREIGN SECRETARY of all loving things?
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Zephro posted:I still can't believe noted fuckwit and waste of amino acids Boris "Moron" Johnson is going to be Foreign Secretary.
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sean10mm posted:If anything, her going I'm mostly just amused by her constant string of bad luck tbf. The people deserting her conference for Leadsom weren't her fault either.
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