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Jordan7hm posted:I've been reading a lot of Brubaker and Darwyn Cooke stuff lately and along with this talk of Moore's work, it got me thinking. Cooke is probably one for me too. Grant Morrison comes close. Greg Rucka would also be one. He hasn't done much but so far I could put Tom King on that list too.
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I've enjoyed most of what I've read by Tom King so far. I wish I could add Marv Wolfman, but as much as I like New Teen Titans, I have enough problems with the series that keep me from seeing it as the masterpiece everyone says it is. I also really like what I've read of Christopher Priest.
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Jul 19, 2016 00:51
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Seriously though some names that I can remember that have been doing good stuff are soule, gillen and ewing
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Jul 19, 2016 00:51
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site posted:Seriously though some names that I can remember that have been doing good stuff are soule, gillen and ewing Gillen is fantastic but I didn't like Phonogram which kept him off my Do No Wrong list. ODY-C kept Matt Fraction off.
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Jul 19, 2016 00:54
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Herge minus all the racist stuff.
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Jul 19, 2016 00:54
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JoshTheStampede posted:Gillen is fantastic but I didn't like Phonogram which kept him off my Do No Wrong list. ODY-C kept Matt Fraction off. tbh they've probably all written junk issues that I just haven't read yet. Nobody's perfect
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Jul 19, 2016 00:55
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There are very few prolific writers that I think I've enjoyed everything I've read by. I think everyone has a few duds. I think right now the most consistent writer I've been enjoying for a few years has been Al Ewing. And I wouldn't said Hickman before I soured on Manhattan Projects after it relaunched. I can't really think of anything bad I've read by Charles Soule, and that's through several different companies.
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Jul 19, 2016 00:58
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X-O posted:
Wolverines. (In fairness, as far as low points go, Wolverines isn't bad, he wrote only about half the issues, and its only towards the end that the book gets real "black spot on your resume" bad. But it did happen)
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Jul 19, 2016 01:25
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Cooke is the easy answer. I don't think there's a single creator with a flawless track record, everyone has a dud in their career. Mike Wieringo never drew a book I didn't love to look at.
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Jul 19, 2016 01:30
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Rhyno posted:Mike Wieringo never drew a book I didn't love to look at. Yes. This too.
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Jul 19, 2016 01:41
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X-O posted:Yes. This too. When I'm sad I read the issue where Sue thinks back to Johnny being a pain in the butt on Mother's Day. I've read it a lot this week.
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Jul 19, 2016 02:01
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There are very few creators with spotless records. I know that while I enjoyed Cookes output from Watchmen there were a lot of people who didn't like it for instance. For me though, BKV and Gaiman are pretty much must buys when they release something. Even Scott Snyder.
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Jul 19, 2016 02:05
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I've never technically read an Alan Moore comic I outright thought was bad, although a lot of his League follow-ups were disappointing compared to the original work, but I find it unlikely that I'm going to pick up Lost Girls and be enchanted.
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Jul 19, 2016 02:09
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Rhyno posted:Cooke is the easy answer. I don't think there's a single creator with a flawless track record, everyone has a dud in their career. Oh poo poo if we can count artists that have never let us down, that's a whole different story.
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Jul 19, 2016 02:23
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Travis343 posted:Oh poo poo if we can count artists that have never let us down, that's a whole different story. I think there are probably more artists who I love in everything than writers, yeah. Especially artists who stick to a style. Even if it can become a bit stale, it ensures that you never really get anything bad. As for authors that have been mentioned I'll have to check out more King and Ewing stuff. For me, guys like Morrison and Hickman have probably hit the same highs as Cooke and Brubaker, or done even better, but they've got some lows I really didn't enjoy much.
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Jul 19, 2016 02:31
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Mark Waid is probably the closest to a writer I've never read anything bad by (but plenty I didn't really like). Hickman is up there, too. For artists, Kevin Maguire and Mike Weirigno.
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Jul 19, 2016 02:41
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Walt Simonson has never disappointed me as a writer or artist. Maybe he's got some dregs out there but luckily I haven't read them.
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Jul 19, 2016 02:42
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I've liked everything I've read by Mike Mignola, both as a writer and artist.
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Jul 19, 2016 02:47
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Dr. Hurt posted:Herge minus all the racist stuff. The racist stuff is from the early part of his career, and the early part of his career predates WW2 so it's a bit forgivable. I kinda like when artists make objectionable poo poo and then pull it back. It means they push boundaries, we don't get progress until people reach too far and fail.
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redbackground posted:Walt Simonson has never disappointed me as a writer or artist. Maybe he's got some dregs out there but luckily I haven't read them. The two issues I read of Ragnarok were terrible.
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Jul 19, 2016 03:04
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Skwirl posted:The racist stuff is from the early part of his career, and the early part of his career predates WW2 so it's a bit forgivable. I've heard he was really regretful, too, like Dr. Seuss was about his wartime work as well. Which is pretty sweet.
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Jul 19, 2016 03:06
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WickedHate posted:I've heard he was really regretful, too, like Dr. Seuss was about his wartime work as well. Which is pretty sweet. I'm sure Suess made some racist propaganda for the military, but he also did anti-VD stuff which was probably helpful an definitely is loving hilarious, so look that up.
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Skwirl posted:I'm sure Suess made some racist propaganda for the military, but he also did anti-VD stuff which was probably helpful an definitely is loving hilarious, so look that up. Oh, I know, so did Stan Lee.
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Jul 19, 2016 03:22
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Tintin in Congo is pretty despicable no matter how you look at it, but I don't think the man's entire career should be judged on that.
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Jul 19, 2016 03:24
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That America "Vasquez" stuff is so much loving sour grapes, especially since I had literally 0 idea that Gillen didn't invent the character before this dumb title was announced. Ed: I just saw the design for original, non-YA America Chavez and that's the most boobtastic character design I've seen in a long, long while. Ed2: Holy poo poo quote:For example: one thing we've decided about the new character, Miss America Chavez, is that she doesn't wear underwear. Believe it or not, that was an important creative decision. I think it says something about her personality that she deliberately goes out into the field sans underwear. You can see it in the art. How's that for selling it? NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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Jul 19, 2016 04:16
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Skwirl posted:The racist stuff is from the early part of his career, and the early part of his career predates WW2 so it's a bit forgivable. See also Will Eisner who created the character Ebony for The Spirit and later regretted it a lot and dialed out the racism from the strip. He talks about it a bit, and the use of stereotypes in general, in Fagan the Jew.
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Toxxupation posted:That America "Vasquez" stuff is so much loving sour grapes, especially since I had literally 0 idea that Gillen didn't invent the character before this dumb title was announced. I read the mini she was introduced in and can barely remember anything interesting about her from it. But I sure do remember that they made sure you noticed her breasts. Gillen should pretty much be considered a co-creator for her.
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Barry Convex posted:Editorial refused to even talk about her being bi/lesbian. Haven't we discussed that a few weeks ago already? They refused to define her through her sexuality, basically calling it "this is the book for bisexuals, read it!", not that they refused to call her bisexual. Because if you read the Angela run it was full of their loving relationships. The three protagonists were two bisexual women and a trans lesbian woman, who in the end formed a loving family, while one of the bi-sexual women searched for her lost female lover from a erased reality. That's not a case of "you could see it if you read the subtext in a certain way" like with Kitty Pryde or "let's not dwell into the male loving side of bisexual too much/at all" like with Deadpool or Hercules.
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Maybe they're great fans of where she's been taken and are just tired of waiting for Marv to get a solo going by anyone  Gillen's Tweet about falling out of bed laughing may be because he was just complaining to Casey about an America solo getting rejected for the new NOW! relaunch and now finding they've gone and made this a couple months later.
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Madkal posted:Also wasn't Liefeld's Fighting American done on rejected Captain America scripts from Heroes Reborn? He turned around and solicited the books as AGENT AMERICA with the serial numbers so barely filed off I'm pretty sure that some of the promo art they put out had explicitly Marvel costumes on Agent America, his sidekick Sparky, his other sidekick The Eagle, their support staff S.P.I.C.E., and the archnemesis the Cyber Skull and his HYPER agents or whatever. Marvel was in the middle of suing him for blatantly repackaging the work he had completed before they terminated the contract, and so as an end-run Liefeld bought the rights for Fighting American and re-re-solicited the series as a continuation of The Fighting American, a series that Joe Simon and Jack Kirby did as a parody in response to Timely/Marvel revamping Cap as CAPTAIN AMERICA, COMMIE SMASHER in the early 1950s without their input. Liefeld worked on Fighting American for (part of) two issues in his newly launched Awesome Comics, which he basically launched because he had been kicked out of Image because of whatever shady business he was up to as an Image founder who also published things as a separate company called Maximum Press. Awesome put out later Fighting American minis written by Jim Starlin, then Awesome folded after a few years and Liefeld announced ARCADE COMICS with a bunch of books including another Fighting American book, but Arcade published like literally six comic books before it folded too. Then a Fighting American book was announced as part of Dynamite's "Get Alex Ross to Do Covers For Books Revamping Public Domain Characters" line (which Joe Casey actually wrote for!) before Joe Simon pointed out he still fully owned Fighting American and what the gently caress are you guys doing and then they stopped their Fighting American book. Anyway when I first heard about this book it was described to me as "did you see Casey and Dragotta are doing a Fighting American book with Miss America Chavez" and if that was literally true (getting the FA license from the Kirby/Simon estates to do the book Marvel commissioned then rejected) I almost would have admired the balls involved. Instead I'm just kind of amazed at the balls involved.
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Didn't the original Fighting American only become a parody after it's initial unironic McCarthyism bombed?
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Just FYI, regarding Lost Girls, I get the impression must of y'all haven't read it or (god forbid) own it. Take my advice and don't go there. Only reason I haven't sold is A)embarrassed to own (keep in mind I hadn't even heard about it, and it was sealed), and B) I've heard it's getting pricy, so I'll just wait till after he dies and hope I can find some completist with more money than taste. Cynical, I know. I've never been that let down by a writer I respect as much as him.
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Actually Lost Girls owns. I haven't read it, but I'll stand up for beardo against y'all prudes 
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Chip Zdarsky so far's been okay in my book. It's probably unfair as his career's been maybe 3 years long compared to a lot of guys listed here, but as is he's been fairly consistent. Worst I can say is that maybe he's been hitched to a story for a bit too long (Kaptara and the space arc from Howard), but at worst he bounces back with something great.
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redbackground posted:Walt Simonson has never disappointed me as a writer or artist. Maybe he's got some dregs out there but luckily I haven't read them. The Warcraft stuff he did is bad, but you can argue that was the fault of the source material/ editorially mandated plot.
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Skwirl posted:The racist stuff is from the early part of his career, and the early part of his career predates WW2 so it's a bit forgivable.
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WickedHate posted:I've heard he was really regretful, too, like Dr. Seuss was about his wartime work as well. Which is pretty sweet. Indeed. It's years since I last read it so may be misremembering but I seem to recall a scene from a later story set in China where Tintin runs through all these false/outdated beliefs about China with this kid he meets out there who basically responds with the then equivalent of "lol, you westerners must be really stupid to believe all that poo poo". Aw, now I remember the follow up story with the yeti and how adorable/sad it is. 
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Teenage Fansub posted:Actually Lost Girls owns. One of the storylines is about Dorothy Gale being repeatedly raped by her father. The other two are also about rape.
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As far as creators who I don't think have ever put a foot wrong go, it'd have to be Stan Sakai and Don Rosa in my book.
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Bulgaroctonus posted:Just FYI, regarding Lost Girls, I get the impression must of y'all haven't read it or (god forbid) own it. Take my advice and don't go there. Only reason I haven't sold is A)embarrassed to own (keep in mind I hadn't even heard about it, and it was sealed), and B) I've heard it's getting pricy, so I'll just wait till after he dies and hope I can find some completist with more money than taste. Cynical, I know. I've never been that let down by a writer I respect as much as him. I borrowed it from the library years ago. I couldn't get passed the first book. It's a shame. I didn't mind the framing device and liked the setting, but between the borderline child porn, non sensecle story and it being more interested in just being bad porn instead of a good story I couldn't finish it. As for Herge I remember watching a documentary about him and it talked about how he met a Tibetan and became friends with the guy. Through that friendship he realised that he was dealing a lot in stereotypes and needed to stop doing that. Afterwards he started doing a lot more research into his locations. It's a reason that Tintin in Tibet is held in high regards.
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