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Looking back at the 60's incarnations of both groups, it feels like the X-Men were just a small step compared to the Inhumans giant leap. Inhumans were more freakish, more isolated.
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Yeah but they're aliens so the metaphor doesn't work as well.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:06
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Onmi posted:To be fair it's not hard to have better comics than the current X-men A quote that applies to almost the last 20 years at least.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:06
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Onmi posted:But Marvel's goal, if we have forgotten, is to piss off people because "Anger sells comics" Oh wait, you showed where this is from. They prefer anger to apathy, which is the same thing as loving anger. Like how I'd rather lose a hand than a foot, because I really love hand amputation. And by me, I mean it is the official policy of my employer to encourage everyone to chop off their own hands because of a Tumblr ask. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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Jul 24, 2016 06:17
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I hope the X-Men go extinct and all mutants die off just so people stop posting about their dumb poo poo theories on why mutants are always in trouble and stupid holier than thou speeches about how they just see beyond what we do and into the ~true intentions~. Also so we never have to deal with Scarlet Witch or reference House of M ever again.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:24
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KittyEmpress posted:I hope the X-Men go extinct and all mutants die off just so people stop posting about their dumb poo poo theories on why mutants are always in trouble and stupid holier than thou speeches about how they just see beyond what we do and into the ~true intentions~. Scarlet Witch isn't a mutant anymore.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:26
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I hope they just stop making comics in general so people will quit talking about comics in this comics forum, that's what I hope.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:28
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Teenage Fansub posted:Inhumans have the better comics at the moment, which is all that matters. Yeah as far as characters go I'd say I like the X-Men but they haven't had books I've enjoyed in a while. Meanwhile Soule is killing it on Inhumans and making good characters in the process.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:31
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Edge & Christian posted:I hope they just stop making comics in general so people will quit talking about comics in this comics forum, that's what I hope. I just find the endless parade of 'they are trying to cancel the x-men and kill all mutants, no those current dozen books don't count I'm not even going to acknowledge it' on here to be tiring. The extreme conspiracy theory levels of argument about how it looks like it is not happening but look between he lines and it is!!! The current plotline has the inhumans and X-Men at odds for the same reason the current plotline has Carol and Tony at odds: to sell books about a conflict with a little more oomph behind it than 'bad guy does bad thing' As for Scarlet Witch not being a mutant anymore... what is she? Just some magic user?
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Jul 24, 2016 06:32
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KittyEmpress posted:I just find the endless parade of 'they are trying to cancel the x-men and kill all mutants, no those current dozen books don't count I'm not even going to acknowledge it' on here to be tiring. The extreme conspiracy theory levels of argument about how it looks like it is not happening but look between he lines and it is!!! They would just go and be real dumb about something else.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:34
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As much as I love the X-Men, if I were in charge, I would totally sell them out to promote the Inhumans. It makes good business sense. Deadpool and Wolverine would be safe, but the rest have a gun to their head if they're not profitable.
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Jul 24, 2016 06:59
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Inhumans are worse than X-Men, sorry y'all.Die Laughing posted:As much as I love the X-Men, if I were in charge, I would totally sell them out to promote the Inhumans. It makes good business sense. If selling out books that sell well to promote books that do not sell well counts as "good business sense", sure.
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Jul 24, 2016 07:20
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Yeah they are trying to push Inhumans but it probably won't work and it will be given up in five years. I know why they are doing it but whatever.
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Jul 24, 2016 07:33
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If they drop an Inhumans movie in five years that makes half a billion dollars then it'll be worth it. I'd rather the X-Men not be sacrificed at the altar of the Inhumans, but business is business.
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Jul 24, 2016 08:57
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Cyclops is gonna fix it all soon Cyclops is comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be
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Jul 24, 2016 10:05
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Codependent Poster posted:Cyclops is gonna fix it all soon He could have done it sooner if he would stop only making Right turns!
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Jul 24, 2016 10:34
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I feel like I've given the Inhumans books my genuine best shot but I still don't understand what their whole...concept is supposed to be. There's the royal family who are kind of anachronistic and inscrutable and high-handed, and meanwhile there are these new Inhumans who...I guess...are just ordinary people who got spontaneously forced into having powers, like, a couple months ago, but apparently just kinda go with it and decided to simply give up their old lives and homes to serve this alien regime that sent genetic-altering mists all over the planet to convert everyone. I haven't seen any of the Nuhumans experience any real culture shock, any ambivalence about their new status, any doubts or regrets about the change they were forced to go through. The only one who seemed to resist the situation was a mega-racist strawman terrorist whose resistance is supposed to be taken as part and parcel of his mega-racism and not, y'know, what practically everyone should rightly be feeling about these circumstances. Sure, new mutants will often get recruited into Xavier's weird dysfunctional cult-like school...but like, at least Xavier is just a normal rich American guy, born and raised in New York, familiar with the same cultural ideas and social norms as his students...and, y'know, a school with classes and teachers and classmates is at least something that everyone comprehends and is accustomed to. You can understand why a mutant teenager would conceivably go there...and even then, more often that not stories will be written about how uncomfortable and out-of-place any new students feel at the school, instead of them just chugging the kool-aid wholesale. And even then, most mutants (at the height of their population) didn't go there, preferring to just live their own lives if that was possible. In contrast, I have no idea why so many new Inhumans are flocking to their floating alien city with their weird alien customs and scowling alien guards and internal alien politics. It's completely bizarre to me that it's just super normal for some random schlub like Ulysses to get hit with the mist and just shrug and go off to live in New Attilan like it's just the most obvious thing to do. It makes no sense unless Terrigenesis secretly alters your brain chemistry in some way so you just naturally flock to other Inhumans (which wouldn't explain Kamala) (but then again she's better than the rest, so).
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Jul 24, 2016 10:48
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BrianWilly posted:
At least that seems to be how it works on marvels agents of SHIELD. (the tv series) Around there, Inhumans tend to be more prone to addictive, or obsessive behavior, because all their live it felt like there was missing a huge part of them. The show even goes one step further. When the Kree started their experiments, they actually designed that "hole in the head" on purpose, so they could be controlled by Hive more easily. I guess it kinda works the same way in the comics to. So before they got misted they weren't exactly normal humans either. Kamala could work the same way. But the higher purpose she found for herself is being a hero and hanging out with people she obsessed over for years. So while a mutant, with some ability he got by pure chance, might pursue his dream of being an IRS officer, Inhumans inherently feel like they were made for something bigger, which is technically true. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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Jul 24, 2016 11:17
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WAR FOOT posted:Does anyone actually like the Inhumans more than the X-Men? Definitely me.
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Jul 24, 2016 12:24
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The Inhuman city does the opposite of floating.
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Jul 24, 2016 12:50
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I do not like the eugenics and race purity people.
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Aphrodite posted:They would just go and be real dumb about something else.
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Jul 24, 2016 15:57
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Die Laughing posted:If they drop an Inhumans movie in five years that makes half a billion dollars then it'll be worth it. I'd rather the X-Men not be sacrificed at the altar of the Inhumans, but business is business. They're not making an Inhumans movie, and even if they did it would only be with the classic Inhumans people actually give a poo poo about because the Nuhumans nonsense is over with Agents of SHIELD. Also, Guardians of the Galaxy were a minor team that didn't even have a comicbook at the time the films came out and it sold amazingly, without needing to do anything to the Fantastic Four first. "Sacrificing" X-Men would just be Marvel's comics division shooting itself in the foot and becoming even less profitable than usual in the vague hope that Marvel Studios might make a movie one day that will have some minor bump in sales all thanks to Marvel comics. burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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Jul 24, 2016 16:14
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BrianWilly posted:In contrast, I have no idea why so many new Inhumans are flocking to their floating alien city with their weird alien customs and scowling alien guards and internal alien politics. It's completely bizarre to me that it's just super normal for some random schlub like Ulysses to get hit with the mist and just shrug and go off to live in New Attilan like it's just the most obvious thing to do. It makes no sense unless Terrigenesis secretly alters your brain chemistry in some way so you just naturally flock to other Inhumans (which wouldn't explain Kamala) (but then again she's better than the rest, so). It's just a Mythology Thing, like the world hating and fearing mutants, or the intimate connection between the X-gene and a flaming space bird—and the ties between both and the Legion of Legally Distinct from DC's Futuristic Superheroes. You have to just just laugh and shrug whenever it's a thing.
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Air is lava! posted:At least that seems to be how it works on marvels agents of SHIELD. (the tv series) Around there, Inhumans tend to be more prone to addictive, or obsessive behavior, because all their live it felt like there was missing a huge part of them. The show even goes one step further. When the Kree started their experiments, they actually designed that "hole in the head" on purpose, so they could be controlled by Hive more easily. Very insightful. Agents of SHIELD is a good show. Really turned, turned, turned itself around.
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Squizzle posted:It's just a Mythology Thing, like the world hating and fearing mutants, or the intimate connection between the X-gene and a flaming space bird—and the ties between both and the Legion of Legally Distinct from DC's Futuristic Superheroes. You have to just just laugh and shrug whenever it's a thing. In terms of the X-Men, a contentious worldbuilding thing that gets brought up a lot is how everyone hates and fears mutants but loves non-mutant superhumans...readers question how realistic this is, often to the point that it negatively affects the themes and narratives. That's even considering that the stories often do go out of their way to address and justify this with various rationales and the characters themselves will wonder, in-story, about why this happens...but even then, that's not always enough to make it seem like proper, sensible writing, and some stories do suffer for it. For the NuHumans thing, I've seen nothing from either of the ANAD books that so much as even mentions how curious it is for them to behave this way, much less justifies it, and it's not really something I can purposely ignore while reading because "There are a whole bunch of new Inhumans and things are different for everyone now" is sort of the whole plot of both books. I do like Air is lava!'s reading of the situation, but it's not something the books themselves have suggested unless it's in something I haven't read yet.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:42
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Edge & Christian posted:I hope they just stop making comics in general so people will quit talking about comics in this comics forum, that's what I hope. This... Only unironically.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:56
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There was a whole series dealing with the consequences before the ANAD comics.
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Jul 24, 2016 22:34
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Okay so...what's the deal then? How come all the NuHumans are so chill with being recruited to the Inhuman nation?
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BrianWilly posted:Okay so...what's the deal then? How come all the NuHumans are so chill with being recruited to the Inhuman nation?  if you wouldn't join the Sometimes-Flying, Sometimes-Lunar Island of Superpowerered Night Club Owners if a member/dog of their royal family showed up and asked you to be pals.
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Jul 25, 2016 01:40
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Them: "Yeah one of our dudes has an infinity gem and a voice that shatters mountains, but we demoted him to Wrestling Belt Thief, Junior-Grade." You, frowning: "Eeh sure, but what if I don't want to live in what is clearly the raddest place on Earth?"
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Jul 25, 2016 01:43
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Isn't the deal with the Inhumans that they've recently overthrown a crazy dictator king and now he lives in a casino and the society is trying to make new leadership? That doesn't sound like a healthy society to be joining. I'd rather chill in my regular life occasionally zapping my toaster with lightning than join my komrades in the Revolution.
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BrianWilly posted:Okay so...what's the deal then? How come all the NuHumans are so chill with being recruited to the Inhuman nation? A lot of the main NuHumans were in pretty lovely situations -- IIRC, Inferno's mother was killed by the mist, and Iso was being pursued by the Chinese military. I'm sure the ones who still have families and who aren't being actively hunted mostly continue their lives as normal, like Ms. Marvel, with maybe occasional visits to New Attilan.
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Squizzle posted:Them: "Yeah one of our dudes has an infinity gem and a voice that shatters mountains, but we demoted him to Wrestling Belt Thief, Junior-Grade." Maybe they just want to form gangs and kill all the mutants.
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SilverSupernova posted:Maybe they just want to form gangs and kill all the mutants. Jesus, there's just no downside to joining up with the Inhumans.
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I have zero love for any Inhuman not named Frank, Reader, or Kamala and even I'd move to their stupid-rear end city-state-island if I crawled out of a giant booger and that giant-haired jerkface was standing there with a welcome basket for me. There's enough wingnuts in the MU looking to decapitate anyone visibly not genetically human... of course, one or two of them are always bold enough to bomb the palace or whatever. Now I'm not sure if that offsets the benefit of safety in numbers.
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Jul 25, 2016 02:08
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Yeah, if you wake up from an egg with lizard skin and claws are you going to just go back to your call-centre job?
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Dacap posted:Yeah, if you wake up from an egg with lizard skin and claws are you going to just go back to your call-centre job?    i'd read it
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Nextwave was too good, too pure for this world.
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Edge & Christian posted:I hope they just stop making comics in general so people will quit talking about comics in this comics forum, that's what I hope. If that happens what are goons going to project their weird sexual fantasies and convoluted gently caress laws onto?
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