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vyelkin posted:This is interesting but considering the overall lack of a decline (and indeed the long-term increase) in honeybee populations, even where these insecticides are used on an industrial scale, it seems like it may be less of a concern than we may think? Not saying these particular pesticides shouldn't be banned, I'm a complete amateur in the field of bees, but my understanding is that even those large numbers (beekeepers lost X% of their colonies last year, etc.) are often misleading because beekeepers always lose a large percentage of colonies each year and so they're constantly replacing them with new ones, but these figures never reflect the replacement, just the loss. From what I understand keepers tend to lose about 30% of their colonies year to year but over the last 10 years or so that number has climbed to about 45% for multiple reasons
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rscott posted:She would trade Donald Trump getting elected for the Green party hitting 10 or 15% nationally but she wanted to step aside for Sanders to take over the party Nomination so I don't think it's necessarily all about her but she seems to really dislike Hillary Clinton It's real easy to offer someone something when you know they're not going to take it. All the offering Bernie leadership of the Green Party stuff was just about getting the Bernouts to go Green. The only two things Jill Stein seems to actually care about is getting votes for Jill Stein and making GBS threads on Hillary, regardless of whether or not doing so advances her stated positions.
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rscott posted:She would trade Donald Trump getting elected for the Green party hitting 10 or 15% nationally but she wanted to step aside for Sanders to take over the party Nomination so I don't think it's necessarily all about her but she seems to really dislike Hillary Clinton There is literally no chance of Bernie Sanders accepting so her offer is still about her, just about getting her name into people's heads.
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vyelkin posted:This is news to me considering the source I'm consulting saying it's mostly a myth is from two days ago: That looks like some data cherry-picking http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=u.s.+bee+population
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Gyges posted:It's real easy to offer someone something when you know they're not going to take it. All the offering Bernie leadership of the Green Party stuff was just about getting the Bernouts to go Green. The only two things Jill Stein seems to actually care about is getting votes for Jill Stein and making GBS threads on Hillary, regardless of whether or not doing so advances her stated positions.
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SedanChair posted:Yeah that's pretty ridiculous. He's a Catholic trained by Jesuits. Any proper godless socialist knows such a man to be an ally. Seriously, the Jesuits have been getting kicked out of countries for being rabble rousing proto-socialists for ~500 years.
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vyelkin posted:. Common Core is really bad dude. They are teaching kids math without allowing them to carry numbers and not alliwing the use of mathematical reasoning because ~that's not how we want you to do it~
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ImpAtom posted:There is literally no chance of Bernie Sanders accepting so her offer is still about her, just about getting her name into people's heads. Sanders isn't anti-vaxx enough for the Green Party
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Nocturtle posted:I disagree, PACs are problematic in part because unlimited spending on campaigns gives wealthy interests (even more) disproportionate political influence. Limiting politically motivated spending is acceptable as a way to prevent this, even if it is a limitation on "speech". This is also an empirical question. How has "unlimited" PAC spending worked out for the Republican party in the past 10 years? How has it worked out for the current presidential candidates? People don't intrinsically trust political speech, and large amounts of it are difficult to coordinate and generally ineffective. Reality belies your hypothesis. The problems of third party electioneering communications has historically been with their lack of accuracy and transparency. Those are separable issues. Nocturtle posted:We've long accepted that individual donation limits to political campaigns or parties are ok, as they are an explicit check on the political influence of the wealthy. Nocturtle posted:It's not hard to see why so many people disagree with allowing unlimited spending by PACs, as it makes those kinds of limits completely pointless. I'd argue people do understand the implications of CU. I suspect you're probably right that it won't be overturned.
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Cythereal posted:You don't say. The Green Party view of the military, from my anecdotal experience talking with them, is that they believe that economics and politics can guarantee world peace, and obviate the need for military adventures and overseas presence. Ah, the 1913 strategy.
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Eifert Posting posted:Seriously, the Jesuits have been getting kicked out of countries for being rabble rousing proto-socialists for ~500 years. Well, that and fostering literal armed insurrections.
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Aurubin posted:Well, that and fostering literal armed insurrections. Yeah, but very well educated and documented insurrections.
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SaTaMaS posted:That looks like some data cherry-picking Er, that dataset actually underlines the point - bee populations have been stable since the mid-nineties, with only maybe a dip around 2008 that they are now rising from. If there's an agricultural or ecological problem arising from the decline from the 60s to the 90s, then it seems to me we'd have seen it by now. CCD is usually used to describe the dip in the 2000s. Neonictinoids became widely used only in the late 90s, coinciding with the end of the decline in bee populations.
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Metapod posted:Common Core is really bad dude. They are teaching kids math without allowing them to carry numbers and not alliwing the use of mathematical reasoning because ~that's not how we want you to do it~ Have you read the standards? Do you know what you're talking about? I don't teach math, but I'm implementing the ELA common core standards and it's very heavy on critical thinking and argumentation rather than wrote memorization of facts and rules. It's actually good stuff man. So are the NGSS. Uber lefties and conservatives get salty because Bill Gates has a lot of money in the research and professional development for common core. So the gently caress what. The pedagogy behind it is fine. In practice though, my biggest critique is that it is difficult to fully implement. Just like everyone else in the world Stein has an idea of what will really turn around education and of course it's actually a bad idea and will ruin everything because their whole understanding of education is based on looking at data from test scores from a clickbait article and maybe meeting a poor kid at a title one school once.
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Bast Relief posted:Have you read the standards? Do you know what you're talking about? I don't teach math, but I'm implementing the ELA common core standards and it's very heavy on critical thinking and argumentation rather than wrote memorization of facts and rules. It's actually good stuff man. So are the NGSS. Uber lefties and conservatives get salty because Bill Gates has a lot of money in the research and professional development for common core. So the gently caress what. The pedagogy behind it is fine. In practice though, my biggest critique is that it is difficult to fully implement. I think they may have been being sarcastic... Edit: Nope, just a more nuanced point, below. VV WrenP-Complete fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jul 30, 2016 |
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Bast Relief posted:Have you read the standards? Do you know what you're talking about? I don't teach math, but I'm implementing the ELA common core standards and it's very heavy on critical thinking and argumentation rather than wrote memorization of facts and rules. It's actually good stuff man. So are the NGSS. Uber lefties and conservatives get salty because Bill Gates has a lot of money in the research and professional development for common core. So the gently caress what. The pedagogy behind it is fine. In practice though, my biggest critique is that it is difficult to fully implement. I haven't spent a lot of time with the CC, but my impression is that the standards are fine, but some of the privately contracted implementations of those standards into material and curricula are absolutely dire- the usual problems of state implementation of education policy.
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rscott posted:From what I understand keepers tend to lose about 30% of their colonies year to year but over the last 10 years or so that number has climbed to about 45% for multiple reasons There is an invasive mite called varroa destructor that took out a lot of hives (and is now known to be a lot more prevalent than previously believed). As there was initially no real treatment or procedures to deal with it, some places in the U.S. got hit real hard, but the populations rebounded and there are now process, including raising queens that encourage the hive to have grooming behavior that kills the mites. As most of the recent losses are during the Summer (usually hives die off during Winter), varroa is the more likely culprit (most hobbyist keepers don't even check for varroa, anything over like 2% of bees carrying mites and the hive is very likely to die at that point without treatment). But if you look at who is losing the large percentages of hives, it's the smaller hobbyists as the businesses and larger hobbyists are doing mite monitoring, prevention, and treatment. rscott posted:Man if neonics don't gently caress with bee colonies all those studies that came out like last week talking about a 40% decrease in sperm viability and bee keepers losing 45% of their hives last year must be from an alternate universe There is not a single well-done study I've seen to suggest neonics are anywhere near this bad. They are significantly less dangerous to bees than the pesticides they replaced. Sinister_Beekeeper fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jul 30, 2016 |
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Axel Serenity posted:Quoting this again because I don't know if he got an answer and I know there are probably other posters like me who aren't regular DND posters but want to visit for the election. Ah thank you! Discendo Vox posted:Recent electoral events particularly put paid to the idea that large amounts of PAC spending == political success. Your post is why I asked the question actually. What was the situation like before CU? How did CU change what corporations could and could not do?
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SSNeoman posted:Your post is why I asked the question actually. What was the situation like before CU? How did CU change what corporations could and could not do? It reduced the number of shell corporations they had to make.
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Discendo Vox posted:I haven't spent a lot of time with the CC, but my impression is that the standards are fine, but some of the privately contracted implementations of those standards into material and curricula are absolutely dire- the usual problems of state implementation of education policy. Absolutely. We have officially adopted the NGSS and will be pilot testing next year, yet we have no curriculum or textbooks because the companies won't release anything until CA ratifies it's framework, which is basically the state interpretation of the standards for implementation. Meanwhile people like me are scrambling on the LEA level to provide curriculum for teachers to bridge the gap until we have official stuff. It's a mess. I just get my panties in a wad when people people say common core is bad without understanding where the problems actually are. It's not because kids are being asked to demonstrate number sense. It's because we are ill prepared to support our schools and educators in a massive shift that must happen.
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Bast Relief posted:Have you read the standards? Do you know what you're talking about? I don't teach math, but I'm implementing the ELA common core standards and it's very heavy on critical thinking and argumentation rather than wrote memorization of facts and rules. It's actually good stuff man. So are the NGSS. Uber lefties and conservatives get salty because Bill Gates has a lot of money in the research and professional development for common core. So the gently caress what. The pedagogy behind it is fine. In practice though, my biggest critique is that it is difficult to fully implement. The issue with cc is not the standards it's the execution. Critical thinking and argumentation are both things that should taught heavily but trying to get everyone to do those things the same way is a fools errand because people don't think or process information the same way. This in turn can make it where parents have trouble helping their children learn the things they didn't quite get in the classroom because if the parents understand what is being taught but not in the way the school wants it to be taught the child is not getting credit for knowing how to do it so the parents can't actually help them. So unless they implement workshops, which not all parents would be able to attend anyway, to teach parents the lessons so they can explain it to their children this will continue to be a problem for a generation. Also with the all the end of the year testing that's also occurring there is a very real clock teachers are racing against because if they don't teach all this material by certain time their students will be at a disadvantage. This causes a whole other heap of issues like limits the amount of a lesson can be spent on, lack of creative fun projects, and even taking away recess.
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Discendo Vox posted:I haven't spent a lot of time with the CC, but my impression is that the standards are fine, but some of the privately contracted implementations of those standards into material and curricula are absolutely dire- the usual problems of state implementation of education policy. In my experience CC math assignments can compound the problem of kids not understanding the meaning of the operations, with the problem of me not knowing how I am supposed to help them do their homework. I can show them how I would do it but that usually results in the kid panicking and saying "that's not how they want us to do it!!"
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Metapod posted:The issue with cc is not the standards it's the execution. Critical thinking and argumentation are both things that should taught heavily but trying to get everyone to do those things the same way is a fools errand because people don't think or process information the same way. This in turn can make it where parents have trouble helping their children learn the things they didn't quite get in the classroom because if the parents understand what is being taught but not in the way the school wants it to be taught the child is not getting credit for knowing how to do it so the parents can't actually help them. So unless they implement workshops, which not all parents would be able to attend anyway, to teach parents the lessons so they can explain it to their children this will continue to be a problem for a generation. Also with the all the end of the year testing that's also occurring there is a very real clock teachers are racing against because if they don't teach all this material by certain time their students will be at a disadvantage. This causes a whole other heap of issues like limits the amount of a lesson can be spent on, lack of creative fun projects, and even taking away recess. Of course, this ignores that the current system is in every way worse, and that many of those issues will exist regardless of the system chosen (eg, "parents not getting the new system" will be an issue every single time).
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Metapod posted:The issue with cc is not the standards it's the execution. Critical thinking and argumentation are both things that should taught heavily but trying to get everyone to do those things the same way is a fools errand because people don't think or process information the same way. This in turn can make it where parents have trouble helping their children learn the things they didn't quite get in the classroom because if the parents understand what is being taught but not in the way the school wants it to be taught the child is not getting credit for knowing how to do it so the parents can't actually help them. So unless they implement workshops, which not all parents would be able to attend anyway, to teach parents the lessons so they can explain it to their children this will continue to be a problem for a generation. Also with the all the end of the year testing that's also occurring there is a very real clock teachers are racing against because if they don't teach all this material by certain time their students will be at a disadvantage. This causes a whole other heap of issues like limits the amount of a lesson can be spent on, lack of creative fun projects, and even taking away recess. Your first sentence describes the problem that came up when teaching math the "old way". CC tries to show how math is done at its most basic level. You know that thing where you break down the numbers and add em together. You will eventually need to do that in your head. I know because it's how I do math in my head and many STEM people do it the same way as well. Though you can still do math "the old way", the system is trying to teach you the shortcuts you need to internalize. This helps a lot when you get to calculus and you need to figure out a way to simplify some complex godforsaken formula, but you were taught to approach the problem from multiple angles so it's not bad. The real issue is that some CC questions become very badly worded, and end up sounding extremely stupid. That's what usually results in parental frustrations. Otherwise, well I'm sorry I guess parents will need to engage with their children's work. I know that's not always an option for some of the poorer folks, but is the system we have right now really that much better? SedanChair posted:In my experience CC math assignments can compound the problem of kids not understanding the meaning of the operations, with the problem of me not knowing how I am supposed to help them do their homework. I can show them how I would do it but that usually results in the kid panicking and saying "that's not how they want us to do it!!" This is a sort of case-by-case basis issue. I can't agree or disagree because that's too broad a point.
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https://twitter.com/clapifyoulikeme/status/759220522282545152 These stories keep coming out (this one made me feel like there was an onion nearby) Is this all true? I keep hearing these stories pop up about her, and it's pretty incredible It's bizarre because it contradicts everything the right has ever said about her.
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://twitter.com/clapifyoulikeme/status/759220522282545152 It's almost like people have internalized every single bad right wing talking point about her to the point where they think that there has to be some kernal of truth which is what causes the left to attack her too.
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The right-wing has been demonizing Clinton since I was 2. That's gonna have a lot of effects on your perception of her vs. the reality of her actions.
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Night10194 posted:Also, she never seems to be particularly loud about taking credit for her own achievements, herself. She's definitely not the loudest in the room at doing this though.
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computer parts posted:Of course, this ignores that the current system is in every way worse, and that many of those issues will exist regardless of the system chosen (eg, "parents not getting the new system" will be an issue every single time). It also assumes a lot of parent outreach isn't happening, which it is, and of course attendance isn't 100% but oh well we can work with that.
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computer parts posted:Of course, this ignores that the current system is in every way worse, and that many of those issues will exist regardless of the system chosen (eg, "parents not getting the new system" will be an issue every single time). Yes I'm very very aware of this to the drawing board is where I stand SSNeoman posted:Your first sentence describes the problem that came up when teaching math the "old way". CC tries to show how math is done at its most basic level. You know that thing where you break down the numbers and add em together. You will eventually need to do that in your head. I guess I need to say I also think the old way is pure loving garbage. Yes I'm aware how math works. Sometimes new is really awesome and helpful like when a new way to factor became mainstream that really made factoring way easier to understand but other times new isn't all that helpful and can over complicate things for no real reason like what was wrong with carrying numbers? It is a very useful visual tool so why change it to counting dots? I would assume (I could very well be giving people too much credit here) would want to help their child and engage in their work so I doubt that being a problem (again I might be giving people way too much credit here). No it's not that much better but that doesn't mean we should settle and before you ask no I do not have some master education system drawn up
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Night10194 posted:Also, she never seems to be particularly loud about taking credit for her own achievements, herself. Honestly, I think that's one of her biggest problems. The left really hid her accomplishments from view for so long that nobody really knows what she's about. Bill's speech stood out to me because nobody ever actually gave her accomplishments the time of day. Plan Z fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jul 30, 2016 |
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Teddybear posted:The right-wing has been demonizing Clinton since I was 2. That's gonna have a lot of effects on your perception of her vs. the reality of her actions. I was watching clips of when she was trying to get health care implemented in the 90's. The amount of attacks that were tossed at her were absolutely disgusting. She was literally burned in effigy about it. All because the medical industry was able to buy off right wing politicians and then proceeded to market any sort of health care refom as "SOCIALIST". unfuckingreal. gently caress the GOP.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I was watching clips of when she was trying to get health care implemented in the 90's. The amount of attacks that were tossed at her were absolutely disgusting. She was literally burned in effigy about it. Didn't they have enough votes and Joe Lieberman backed out last minute?
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://twitter.com/clapifyoulikeme/status/759220522282545152 She's got probably thousands of people willing to give endorsements of her like this, all people who have interacted with her personally. It's why she has a huge swath of the party fiercly loyal to her, but Trump couldn't get more than 3-4 people to mention him by name and say he was a good guy across 30+ hours of convention time
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Spacebump posted:Didn't they have enough votes and Joe Lieberman backed out last minute? I don't know about what you're talking about, but recently some pro-LGBT legislation was presented to the house floor and looked like it was going to pass. Republican representatives lobbied for votes in the time between when voting was allowed and when the results were to be announced, and they managed to lobby enough people in their favor to get the legislation shot down 213-212. I could be wrong on the specifics here, but I seem to remember voting going on for 10+ minutes longer than it was supposed to.
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