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CelestialScribe posted:She's going to lose North Carolina, Ohio and Florida. you are basing this on what
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A specter is haunting the world: the specter of illiberal democracy. Yascha Mounk over at Slate has a long-form piece that paints a pretty dire picture of the future of left-wing governance around the world based on the awfulness that was July in world news.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:A specter is haunting the world: the specter of illiberal democracy. Yascha Mounk over at Slate has a long-form piece that paints a pretty dire picture of the future of left-wing governance around the world based on the awfulness that was July in world news. It reads like Glenn Beck drawing lines in chalk between pictures.
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SedanChair posted:Hillary "Reagan '84-sized mandate" Rodham Clinton I hope that my children are extremely confused as to which Clinton everything is named after.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:A specter is haunting the world: the specter of illiberal democracy. Yascha Mounk over at Slate has a long-form piece that paints a pretty dire picture of the future of left-wing governance around the world based on the awfulness that was July in world news. *dismissive wanking motion*
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SedanChair posted:Hillary "Reagan '84-sized mandate" "Space Empress of Murder
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FuzzySlippers posted:I know the conventional wisdom is that when white people get scared they run to the Republican party but is Trump really the safe law and order candidate? The crazy man with chaotic rallies, who calls for his political opponents to be killed or hacked by a foreign power, has deep ties to Russian oligarchs, etc? Remember all those scary terrorist attacks this summer over in Europe? Yeah, Trump didn't even get a bump from them. ComradeCosmobot posted:A specter is haunting the world: the specter of illiberal democracy. Yascha Mounk over at Slate has a long-form piece that paints a pretty dire picture of the future of left-wing governance around the world based on the awfulness that was July in world news. Illiberal democracies of today are absolutely deserving of scrutiny and reform, but this is fearmongering bullshit, honestly. There are some great points in there about the democratic divide, and Turkey and Britain have been backsliding towards authoritarianism for ages, but A) neither of those are new criticisms and B) neither of those are valid criticisms to argue that democracy is broken, especially when we live in the most prosperous, peaceful, and stable world known to man in the history of the species.
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Aug 15, 2016 05:21
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CelestialScribe posted:She's going to lose North Carolina, Ohio and Florida. Which gives clinton 285 and a W. You're really buying into her winning I'm proud.
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Aug 15, 2016 05:21
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CelestialScribe posted:She is not going to win all 50 states. Jesus Christ. I did not say she would, I said she should pursue a 50-state strategy. e; and if she wins less than at least in the 330 region I'll be deeply shocked.
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Aug 15, 2016 05:24
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The US had their "white people flip their poo poo about browns/minorities and burn everything down" moment with Reagan. If Britain had half the percentage of non-whites that we do Brexit never would've happened. The problem with the rise of the right in the EU is all the countries ignoring it combined with the Parliamentary system being a greased track for extremist fringe groups to consolidate power and influence. But that interpretation doesn't let you yell from the heavens about liberal technocrats, so Yascha Mounk isn't going that direction
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Aug 15, 2016 05:24
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UV_Catastrophe posted:How bad could this Manafort stuff end up being for Trump? At this point I don't think it could get much worse, but all these things keep him from "normalizing" and depresses his turnout. It's not so much about hurting Trump, as continuing to stop him from recovering.
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Aug 15, 2016 05:25
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UV_Catastrophe posted:How bad could this Manafort stuff end up being for Trump? For people voting for him not old enough to remember the cold war, not that bad. For those who do and were on the fence/holding their noses? YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
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UV_Catastrophe posted:How bad could this Manafort stuff end up being for Trump? The new NYT story is pretty tame, we already knew Manafort worked in the Ukrainian sphere when its government was a Russian puppet, which automatically puts you a few degrees of influence away from Putin. The tweets promising more dirt in that direction might get some of the super paranoid patriots to consider voting Johnson instead, but it seems unlikely to sway the minds of those already solidly supporting Trump, who genuinely want someone like Putin in power anyway.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:How bad could this Manafort stuff end up being for Trump? If it gains legs it'll probably hurt his already laughable foreign policy stances and possibly depress turnout with people old enough to remember the Cold War, a.k.a. his biggest demographic.
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speng31b posted:At this point I don't think it could get much worse, but all these things keep him from "normalizing" and depresses his turnout. It's not so much about hurting Trump, as continuing to stop him from recovering. The polls have been stable for two weeks now. I do not think there is a normal to recover to for Trump anymore, this is the normal.
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Barudak posted:I hope that my children are extremely confused as to which Clinton everything is named after. In New York we already have that problem. It's usually DeWitt.
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Aug 15, 2016 05:28
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Nobody is going from Trump to Clinton at this point, except maybe some on the fence non-wheelhouse demos like white women. The point is to make Trump so repulsive that they just stay home. That's BETTER than a vote for Clinton because it's also a lack of a vote for the downticket GOP
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Aug 15, 2016 05:29
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Mel Mudkiper posted:you are basing this on what just to clue you in, you should put CelestialScribe on your ignore list because he is a troll that has been doing the same poo poo since, what, 2008?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The polls have been stable for two weeks now. I do not think there is a normal to recover to for Trump anymore, this is the normal. Maybe, but I'm not completely convinced. He hasn't stopped making horrible gaffes. Maybe that's his normal simply by virtue of him being incapable of shutting up and reading a teleprompter, but if in some bizarro universe he started doing that, I think he could recover quite a bit even now.
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Aug 15, 2016 05:34
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CelestialScribe posted:She is not going to win all 50 states. Jesus Christ.
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Nessus posted:If you're admitting that Killary KKKLinton is gonna win Georgia, your entire shtick is done, dude I don't think she will. I'm saying it's a possibility.
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Aug 15, 2016 05:36
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sarmhan posted:He's open to more than just that. This definitely falls under Foreign Corrupt Practices. It'd be nice if Trump's Secret Service detail suddenly arrested Manafort and took him away to be prosecuted for this. It won't happen, but it'd be fun to watch.
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speng31b posted:Maybe, but I'm not completely convinced. He hasn't stopped making horrible gaffes. Maybe that's his normal simply by virtue of him being incapable of shutting up and reading a teleprompter, but if in some bizarro universe he started doing that, I think he could recover quite a bit even now. any day now
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Combed Thunderclap posted:The new NYT story is pretty tame, we already knew Manafort worked in the Ukrainian sphere when its government was a Russian puppet, which automatically puts you a few degrees of influence away from Putin. Who's "we"? We, the supernerds who post on this weirdass political forum, or we, the general American populace who had absolutely no idea who Paul Manafort was until they saw that article?
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CelestialScribe posted:I don't think she will. I'm saying it's a possibility.
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citybeatnik posted:2 Corinthians 12:2, Galatians 1:8-9, 1 Thessalonians 1:10... What the hell do you think these verses say Like, they all three have nothing to do with the topic you were discussing
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Trump also had massive unfavourables going into all this. After a solid half a year of horrible poo poo that would have been gaffes outside of the Republican primary and election gaffes, no one is going to suddenly decide they like Trump if he calms down and manages to stay on his repugnant as gently caress message just because he manages to not poo poo himself in process of articulating it. Like Charlie Sheen hasn't gone on a manic bender in awhile, has anyone began to think of him as calm and stable just because he isn't going on talk shows talking about how hard he's winning or how much crack he used to smoke anymore? Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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The Glumslinger posted:Thats a lot of riot cops for like 20 or 30 people National Guard is also here because Clarke is a loving Scooter stooge. If it isn't obvious, I loathe both of them oh so much
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Epic High Five posted:Nobody is going from Trump to Clinton at this point, except maybe some on the fence non-wheelhouse demos like white women. My mother, who is a racist old korean lady who is slightly to the right of Atilla the Hun and has hated the Clintons since the 90s, pretty much went "welp gently caress that guy guess I'm voting Hilary" when I had a conversation about with her about Trump's ties to Putin who she hates even more. She then started talking about how if the news (Fox of course) keeps saying the economy is bad, why does her Stocks app that came with her iphone keep having green numbers and a graph going up. It was a  moment for me as I've abandoned talking about politics with her since I was in Jr High.
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Bad Moon posted:My mother, who is a racist old korean lady who is slightly to the right of Atilla the Hun and has hated the Clintons since the 90s, pretty much went "welp gently caress that guy guess I'm voting Hilary" when I had a conversation about with her about Trump's ties to Putin who she hates even more. Let us know her reaction to the latest Manafort news
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iospace posted:National Guard is also here because Clarke is a loving Scooter stooge. The Chief of Milwaukee Police is responsible to Barrett for their deployment (they've been activated, not deployed) not the County Sherriff. Boon fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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showbiz_liz posted:Who's "we"? We, the supernerds who post on this weirdass political forum, or we, the general American populace who had absolutely no idea who Paul Manafort was until they saw that article? We, the politics nerds, already knew about Manafort and his background. They, the average person, may or may not have been exposed to the widespread "Trump = Russian stooge???  " story/rumor, but regardless they, the average Trump voter, seems unlikely to be persuaded that the internal Trump person they've never heard of maybe had a connection to Russia once should make them change their vote. This is based entirely on my own personal judgement and exposure to Trump supporters, of course, not focus groups or polling.
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Geostomp posted:The best part is that even if, by some dark miracle, they did take full power again, they'd be eaten alive by the rabid base they cultivated for so long. They beat the drum for hating government, compromise, and the Other for so long that making the kind of moves necessary to actually rule a nation would be taken as heresy by the very rubes they worked so hard to fool. They can only pretend to be "pure" for them so long as they have a Democrat to blame. When they don't and actually have to do something, then it all comes crashing down on them. Boehner's Lamentation. Although I don't think they'd actually have this problem if they'd managed to get another Bush-type Compassionate Conservative into office. All the shutdown poo poo immediately disappeared when they controlled the presidency no matter how high the deficits rose, no matter how intrusive the NSA became, and no one batted an eye at Bush's Medicare Part D. Their base will be happy once it looks like the right kind of people took back the federal government and are making it work for the right kind of people. The problem is that no one like that can get through the primaries anymore without being branded a socialist Obamalover. Since Trump was willing to go full racist on the other hand, he could actually gain support by proposing stuff like UHC*. If Trump were an actual no-poo poo fascist puppetmaster instead of an incompetent buffoon who fell for the same birther conspiracy theories the Republican base did, I don't think he'd have any trouble getting the Tea Party on board with fully funding his government and implementing a big-spending welfare state along a national socialist model. *Obviously his actual health care proposal is "get hosed, poors" if you read the details, but he was able to claim in the debates that we're not going to let anyone** go without healthcare and the accusations of socialism rolled right off his back. **Read white people, because we're kicking out all the Mexicans and Arabs, and putting African Americans back in their place remember? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Boon posted:The Chief of Milwaukee Police is responsible to Barrett for their deployment (they've been activated, not deployed) not the County Sherriff. Point, but Clarke was the one calling for them to be here pretty much immediately.
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