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A Bag of Milk posted:Where are the rest of the Texas numbers PPP? I got that polling itch, I need the juice https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/765285545484414976
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Rookersh posted:Two deaths means Speaker of the House. Actually, prior to the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, the Speaker and the President Pro Tem of the Senate were not part of the line of succession. In event of the Pres and VP being unable to perform their duties, it would devolve to the Secretary of State. My guess is that the Iron Rose was referring to the fact that Hiss was a member of the State Department. Edited to add: 
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Fox Ironic posted:To be fair, food poisoning sucks really bad and the Prime Minister was more embarrassed that Bush Sr got sick from food served at the banquet than angry that Bush vomited on him. I thought puking on the Japanese PM was dang funny, but I was never like "ugh we'll never live this down as a country"
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A Bag of Milk posted:Where are the rest of the Texas numbers PPP? I got that polling itch, I need the juice I'd take any accredited poll at this point. Especially since I'm push polling for Florida Republicans today 
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ReidRansom posted:..., especially for (black) teens. (Others on case by case basis (whites permitted)) When we were under curfew here, police literally begged white people who were out past ten to go inside, but arrested black people left and right. It was a really strange, maddening week, condolences to anyone in Milwaukee.
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Aug 15, 2016 22:46
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Teddybear posted:Two House committees demanding that the DOJ indict and convict Hillary on perjury for a 2015 congressional hearing. Time until Trump mentions this in his stump speeches...?
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Aug 15, 2016 22:51
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Not sure if this has come up yet http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b224c9e4b007c36e4fc81e [quote WASHINGTON ― Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on Monday proposed that the United States administer an ideological test to visa applicants before allowing them to enter the country.[/quote] I don't have a lot of respect for Trump to put it mildly, but I find it hard to disagree too strenuously with this line of reasoning even if, is if it needed saying, I don't trust Trump to implement anything like this. I would really like to see the Democratic Party discussing and reclaiming issues like this. Sharia supporting populations are used as a bit of a bogeyman it's true. Nevertheless it's an issue the public cares about and not entirely without cause. Immigration is a privilege, not a right, and I don't believe putting ideologicalal preconditions on it is unconstitutional or goes against the principles of a free society.
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Aug 15, 2016 22:52
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Liberal_L33t posted:I don't have a lot of respect for Trump to put it mildly, but I find it hard to disagree too strenuously with this line of reasoning You should. The people proposing this ideological test wouldn't be able to pass it.
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Aug 15, 2016 22:53
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Liberal_L33t posted:Not sure if this has come up yet http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b224c9e4b007c36e4fc81e Ah but then you do want to just nuke the Middle East so for you Trump suggestion is just a step in the right direction.
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Aug 15, 2016 22:54
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ImpAtom posted:You should. Which is the entire point of the test, really. Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/765228556620292096 It's like they tried their damndest to take things back to the sixties in this response.
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Aug 15, 2016 22:55
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The only ideological test you should have to pass to immigrate is "I will pay taxes to the us government in accordance to us law". I don't give a hot gently caress if you don't plan to vote, celebrate holidays I've never heard of and plan to educate as many people in a religion you invented as long as you pay your loving taxes.
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Aug 15, 2016 22:56
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Testing for 'ideological purity' is a bad idea to begin with but even worse when it would be disproportionately applied. Nobody would make a Christian from Wisconsin undergo this test and if they did there's a good chance they'd fail a lot harder than someone attempting to legally immigrate. And if someone is a REAL TERRORIST there is literally nothing stopping them from lying on the test.
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Aug 15, 2016 22:59
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Barudak posted:The only ideological test you should have to pass to immigrate is "I will pay taxes to the us government in accordance to us law". I don't give a hot gently caress if you don't plan to vote, celebrate holidays I've never heard of and plan to educate as many people in a religion you invented as long as you pay your loving taxes. Also they'll obey US laws and respect other people as long as they aren't breaking laws.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:02
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ImpAtom posted:Testing for 'ideological purity' is a bad idea to begin with but even worse when it would be disproportionately applied. Nobody would make a Christian from Wisconsin undergo this test and if they did there's a good chance they'd fail a lot harder than someone attempting to legally immigrate. You must be completely for religious freedom except dirty Muslims keep the gently caress out!
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Aug 15, 2016 23:04
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Liberal_L33t posted:Not sure if this has come up yet http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b224c9e4b007c36e4fc81e The Constitution of the United States of America posted:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion Yes, it does. Immigrants will never come to the United States in large enough numbers to overthrow the existing political structure without support of preexisting populations. Furthermore, the myth of immigrants not integrating is garbage and is fueled only by people mad that immigrants don't spontaneously transform into suburban white people without foreign accents. Your idea is stupid and you are wrong. also you're racist
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Aug 15, 2016 23:07
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ImpAtom posted:You should. I'm not sure how you phrase a theoretical ideological screen without inherently violation g the ideology behind the first amendment. Maybe " do you support the imminent violent overthrow of the united States government"?
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Aug 15, 2016 23:10
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Liberal_L33t posted:Not sure if this has come up yet http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b224c9e4b007c36e4fc81e Hieronymous Alloy posted:I'm not sure how you phrase a theoretical ideological screen without inherently violation g the ideology behind the first amendment. edit: But I see your point, you're saying that by imposing an ideological test, you'd be violating the very ideology that you're trying to protect
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Aug 15, 2016 23:11
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The first 25 seconds is all that matters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpB9NibJJkc Oh, Joe. 
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Aug 15, 2016 23:12
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Lightning Knight posted:Yes, it does. I always laugh at the "non-integrating immigrants will destroy America" line. It's been used for just about every race for the past hundred years. Hell it was used against catholics and the loving Irish back in the early 20th century. The more things change the more they stay the same Monaghan fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Aug 15, 2016 23:13
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Liberal_L33t posted:Not sure if this has come up yet http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b224c9e4b007c36e4fc81e "If we don't like how you think you can  " goes directly against the principles of a free society though? Like there is zero chance than a test of this nature wouldn't be abused heavily. I'd prefer if the Democrats wouldn't try to reclaim being racist, but maybe it's just me.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:17
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Monaghan posted:I always laugh at the "non-immigrating immigrants will destroy America" line. It's been used for just about every race for the past hundred years. Hell it was used against catholics and the loving Irish back in the early 20th century. My dad is from Mexico. My mom is an Italian German Catholic. gently caress Donald Trump and anyone who agrees with anything about his immigration policy.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:17
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Augus posted:The "Hillary Clinton is too sick to run for office" angle is really stupid because it operates under the assumption that Tim Kaine wouldn't still be a better choice than Trump or Pence. A very bad assumption. It's probably the same sort of thinking that made right-wingers push for Bill Clinton or Obama to be impeached. Meaning, a lot of them likely think that the Democrat's top guy getting knocked out of power means "Republicans win by default!" and they automatically get the presidency. Instead of, you know, the next Democrat in line being the one who gets the job. Though admittedly, it would have been fun to see the slowly dawning horror among conservatives once they realized that getting their full-on impeachment wish against Clinton or Obama meant they now had to deal with President Al Gore or President Joe Biden. 
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Liberal_L33t posted:Not sure if this has come up yet http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b224c9e4b007c36e4fc81e Fight the real enemy, communitarianism. People sharing, talking. Going out to lunch together. It all flies in the face of reason.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:22
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Liberal_L33t posted:Not sure if this has come up yet http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b224c9e4b007c36e4fc81e My dad immigrated here from Nigeria in '79. He told me all about how our current system already puts unnecessary expectations onto immigrants, especially ones from non-white countries. If we let this "test" go through, all that would happen is placing even more arbitrary hurdles on immigration that would encourage more people to come in illegally for a pathetic illusion of safety. The only things we'd really accomplish is making scared racists feel a little safer for a while since they think this would limit people different from them coming in.
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Aug 15, 2016 23:24
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Just caught Trump telling his supporters they should monitor voting places for fraud this will end well
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Teddybear posted:Two House committees demanding that the DOJ indict and convict Hillary on perjury for a 2015 congressional hearing. For fucks sake. Since we are bringing back everything from the 90s, can we get a holographic Tupac in zubazz as the special prosecutor?
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Unsurprisingly...quote:Donald Trump on Monday laid out some big plans to change the U.S. immigration system, calling for the suspension of immigration from regions that have "a history of exporting terrorism" and the roll-out of an ideological test to weed out foreigners who may support "radical Islamic terrorism."
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Why is it that so many people assume that terrorists or evil people or whatever are incapable of lying? I mean it seems like they assume strict honesty from people who they think have the explicit goal of destroying the country.
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It's kind of interesting watching Trump act out the Southern Strategy over the course of a single election. Start with blatant racism, slowly backtrack into dog whistles and euphemisms. Too bad his base wants the blatant racism and the general electorate wants neither at this point. quote:Why is it that so many people assume that terrorists or evil people or whatever are incapable of lying? I mean it seems like they assume strict honesty from people who they think have the explicit goal of destroying the country. Terrorists are just vampires. Say the magic holy words RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM and they turn to dust.
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Liberal_L33t posted:I don't have a lot of respect for Trump to put it mildly, but lmao
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What if while they're answering the questions they cross their fingers? 
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It's pretty amazing to think how much worse the already pretty bad immigration screening system would be if even a third of trump's idiotic ideas were implemented. The backlog would be absurd.
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Iron Lung posted:When will Chaffetz please go away? He's so awful.
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Bacon test. If they eat the bacon they're not terrorists.
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Conservatives are in favor of the immigration questionnaire for the same reason they used to love administering quizzes to vote. They know for a stone cold fact they can be manipulated to affect access, that's kind of the whole point
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If Trump wants to make sure all immigrants will behave in a way that is consistent with the majority of the US just make sure they are voting for Hillary
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Monaghan posted:I always laugh at the "non-integrating immigrants will destroy America" line. It's been used for just about every race for the past hundred years. Hell it was used against catholics and the loving Irish back in the early 20th century. And it was used about German, Polish, and Italian people before then
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There is this strange legalism in conservative thought. I thought this desire for some kind of complicated torturous legal justification for, well, torture was absurd: if there was, somehow, some preposterous TV-esque chain of events where you have to break a man's fingers in order to get the nuclear disarm codes, then yes, you do that and you face trial later. That is presumably part of why we have things like pardons, so they can say "He broke the law, and the law is real, but in this specific situation we're letting him off." What is the benefit of some kind of system that takes pains to make it easier to torture people?
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Nessus posted:There is this strange legalism in conservative thought. I thought this desire for some kind of complicated torturous legal justification for, well, torture was absurd: if there was, somehow, some preposterous TV-esque chain of events where you have to break a man's fingers in order to get the nuclear disarm codes, then yes, you do that and you face trial later. That is presumably part of why we have things like pardons, so they can say "He broke the law, and the law is real, but in this specific situation we're letting him off."
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