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ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Lakedaimon posted:

100k damage and two caps in the Nassau, team still loses. Thank you pubs.

Don't pray for easier games. Pray for bigger shoulders.

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MadJackMcJack
Jun 10, 2009

Vadoc posted:

That is exactly how I always feel driving that ship as well, I thought it was because I was just lovely at it.

The Myogi is utter crap out of the box but fully upgraded it could be somewhat decent if only it's dispersion wasn't so big. Long range, fast and somewhat nimble for it's size, decent health pool, spotter plane, all marred by a horrible accuracy. Hell, the Kawachi is a better ship in my opinion, since it's short range and bad accuracy is offset by it's toughness compared to it's peers, allowing it to drat the torpedoes and dive into a group for some brawling.

Aesis
Oct 9, 2012
Filthy J4G
Dunkek feels like aggressive battlecruiser. 13 inch gun that has good pen and ok dispersion all mounted forward as 2 X 4 makes aggressive play rewarding as you'll stack up 75k+ damage in no time.

However its relatively thin (225 mm) belt and 25 mm bow is problematic. Show broadside (though no reason to) and battleships can pen you even when angled, and show bow and those 15 inches will overmatch you. Also weak AA makes it easy target against CV.

Compared to Shotgunhorst it has better guns but weaker self protection. It's an interesting ship in its own right, but it's not a solid ship.

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012

Lakedaimon posted:

100k damage and two caps in the Nassau, team still loses. Thank you pubs.

I've come to the point now where I shame my team by publicly pointing out that my team apparently thinks this game's scoring system is similar to golf's. The first time I did this, my entire team went into a fomenting rage against of our remaining ships for being so bad. Since then, no response. :(

Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?
I'd like to offer the counter opinion and say that gold ammo has completely ruined both the World of Tanks metagame and the World of Tanks community, and we should be extremely suspicious if they introduce such a concept to Warships.

Hazdoc
Nov 8, 2012

Muscovy Ducks are a large tropical breed, famous for their lean and extremely flavorful meat.

Hazduck!

~SMcD

Redeye Flight posted:

I'd like to offer the counter opinion and say that gold ammo has completely ruined both the World of Tanks metagame and the World of Tanks community, and we should be extremely suspicious if they introduce such a concept to Warships.

They won't. If the forums can screech loudly enough to get 100 free doubloons and 1 cost captain respecs, they can screech loudly enough to avoid the clusterfuck that "premium" ammo would be. Its a horrendous idea and I'm pretty sure the warships dev team has learned from the worst mistakes of world of tanks. I mean, they gave us Situation Awareness for free. Tanks still hasn't given everyone Sixth Sense for free, despite an eternity of considering it.

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012

Hazdoc posted:

They won't. If the forums can screech loudly enough to get 100 free doubloons and 1 cost captain respecs, they can screech loudly enough to avoid the clusterfuck that "premium" ammo would be. Its a horrendous idea and I'm pretty sure the warships dev team has learned from the worst mistakes of world of tanks. I mean, they gave us Situation Awareness for free. Tanks still hasn't given everyone Sixth Sense for free, despite an eternity of considering it.

More hilarious, either in blitz or the console WoT, they do have 6th sense for free. So yeah, I do think the warships team has been learning a lot from the tanks team. That said, they don't seem to have learned about t10 repair economy unlike tanks. Though, there isn't much point to driving t10s anyway since there isn't clanwars or anything to use them in.

Edit: A fun game was had:




Note the match up, it was wierd


Replay: http://wowreplays.com/Replay/14727

After some futzing around and not getting anywhere, that storm crashing helped. I then proceeded to rake an enemy colorado shortly after the storm hits and just devestate him as I drive by launching torps and the hilarious amount of secondaries going off. Then I dodged some fletcher torps, spot the other colorado who then gets pummeled 6km out succumbing to my secondaries (lol 6km = close quarters now). I finally get killed off by the enemy sharn, but the damage was done to the team by then.

JuffoWup fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Aug 23, 2016

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

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Well, that was weird.

Had four losses in a row despite goon divisioning (sorry for bitching so much).

Then we won a brutal slugfest to finally get my Bayern double. Then the next match we win in under 5 minutes.

wdarkk fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Aug 23, 2016

M.C. McMic
Nov 8, 2008

The Weight room
Is your friend

Hazdoc posted:

They won't. If the forums can screech loudly enough to get 100 free doubloons and 1 cost captain respecs, they can screech loudly enough to avoid the clusterfuck that "premium" ammo would be.

So, is a single cost commander respec something that they're going to implement in the near future? I noticed that the cost of respec-ing my commander was going up the more skills I learned, and that's retarded.

Hazdoc
Nov 8, 2012

Muscovy Ducks are a large tropical breed, famous for their lean and extremely flavorful meat.

Hazduck!

~SMcD

M.C. McMic posted:

So, is a single cost commander respec something that they're going to implement in the near future? I noticed that the cost of respec-ing my commander was going up the more skills I learned, and that's retarded.

No, even when they had the 1 doubloon reset, it was 1 doubloon per skill point. Yeah, its dumb, but Wargaming's gotta nickel and dime you somewhere. Occasionally resets go on sale, but probably not soon, as they already had 2 sales and the skill reset bonus just recently.

Moral_Hazard
Aug 21, 2012

Rich Kid of Insurancegram
Speaking of respecs; I've respecced my US DD captain from the Tier IV HP skill to DE. Let's see if I can stack some fires.

M.C. McMic
Nov 8, 2008

The Weight room
Is your friend
I don't even have any high skill commanders. My top tier ship is tier 5 at the moment. I just want to respec a couple commanders because when I was first starting out I accidentally took the bottom tier aircraft carrier-specific skill like an idiot, and it's annoying me.

Guess that means I should do it sooner rather than later since it's just gonna cost more as my commanders get better. :saddowns:

Triggerhappypilot
Nov 8, 2009

SVMS-01 UNION FLAG GREATEST MOBILE SUIT

ENACT = CHEAP EUROTRASH COPY




Technicality question: can any national captain go in any premium ship, or is it also limited by ship class like in World of Tanks (e.g. trying to put my Yorck captain in a Scharnhorst would incur a penalty)?

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

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Triggerhappypilot posted:

Technicality question: can any national captain go in any premium ship, or is it also limited by ship class like in World of Tanks (e.g. trying to put my Yorck captain in a Scharnhorst would incur a penalty)?

Nation is the only thing that matters.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Triggerhappypilot posted:

Technicality question: can any national captain go in any premium ship, or is it also limited by ship class like in World of Tanks (e.g. trying to put my Yorck captain in a Scharnhorst would incur a penalty)?

Before they made sixth sense a permanent skill for everyone, running your DD captain through as many different premiums as possible was the way to get through retraining without subjecting yourself to tier 7+ battles without it, at least for poors like me who couldn't gold retrain.

Hammerstein
May 6, 2005

YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT RACING !
Here's me doing some Bismarck secondaries action vs a Nuremberg, a Tirpitz, a Haguro and a Scharnhorst. Also see how useful sonar is to avoid the death sting from the Haguro's torps. (set video to 1440p in YT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Fjs6ApkIo

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Moral_Hazard
Aug 21, 2012

Rich Kid of Insurancegram

Hammerstein posted:

Here's me doing some Bismarck secondaries action vs a Nuremberg, a Tirpitz, a Haguro and a Scharnhorst. Also see how useful sonar is to avoid the death sting from the Haguro's torps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Fjs6ApkIo

Nice; can't wait to do a secondaries Bismarck build.

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

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MoraleHazard posted:

Nice; can't wait to do a secondaries Bismarck build.

Hard part for me is going to be getting to 15 points unless I want to steal my Roon's captain.

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

I got my 2nd ever triple citadel last night. I was in a NY shooting a Kongo who was bow on and reversing. For some reason he started to turn and after waiting patiently he eventually revealed his entire broadside. The rest is obvious.

This was the only gem of a night of ship driving ruled by pubbie stupidity. I think I won like 2 out of 12 games or something. Too lazy to look it up, but it was just not a good night.

Oh, and I got detonated from full health in a NY by a random carrier torpedo. Fun times.

Ice Fist fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Aug 23, 2016

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

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Ice Fist posted:

I got my 2nd ever triple citadel last night. I was in a NY shooting a Kongo who was bow on and reversing. For some reason he started to turn and after waiting patiently he eventually revealed his entire broadside. The rest is obvious.

This was the only gem of a night of ship driving ruled by pubbie stupidity. I think I won like 2 out of 12 games or something. Too lazy to look it up, but it was just not a good night.

Oh, and I got detonated from full health in a NY by a random carrier torpedo. Fun times.

I feel like last night sucked for all of us.

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

wdarkk posted:

I feel like last night sucked for all of us.

:hfive: to you and everyone else who had a lovely day of botes.

Maybe it will be better tonight. lol no it won't

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

Ice Fist posted:

I got my 2nd ever triple citadel last night. I was in a NY shooting a Kongo who was bow on and reversing. For some reason he started to turn and after waiting patiently he eventually revealed his entire broadside. The rest is obvious.

This was the only gem of a night of ship driving ruled by pubbie stupidity. I think I won like 2 out of 12 games or something. Too lazy to look it up, but it was just not a good night.

Oh, and I got detonated from full health in a NY by a random carrier torpedo. Fun times.

I think my only triple citadels have been against Kongos and cruisers. (It's usually in a New Mexico, too. NM is the best boat.)

e: I take that back, I've had great fun in the the Atlanta and pre-nerf Cleveland- Amazing for a billion citadels against other cruiers, they just don't do 45k damage like a BB's would.

Burt
Sep 23, 2007

Poke.



Stop referring to God's gift to this game, THE MIGHTY SCHARNHORST, as anything other than THE MIGHTY SCHARNHORST. :black101:

If you can't hit anything unless it's 5km away then you Sir, are the pubbie and should consider pokemans. :hitler:

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon
I had a guy in a Mutsuki fail to ambush me (in the Scharnhorst) around an island. He dumped all his torps, but I had stopped.

So a minute later he comes around the corner, misses all of his torps again, then rams himself into my bow at full speed. Except I think you can repair 100% of ramming damage, because I was back to near full-health a few minutes later.

R.I.P.

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Pacra
Aug 5, 2004

:siren: Aslain is back from vacation and his modpack is updated to 0.5.10.0

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



BIG HEADLINE posted:

WITNESS ME!!!!!

I will admit to having said that in discord several times before doing something suicidally stupid.

Actually, if they did just buff the Myogi's dispersion, it could actually be good. The 20km potshots you get early on are a lot of fun, but aside from that the range is a lie.

Burt
Sep 23, 2007

Poke.



Secondary build Bismark is funny. Like roll around on the floor in hysterics funny. Tier 10 cruisers and DDs run like babbys when they get into the 10.2km ZONE OF FIRE DEATH :supaburn:

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost
I want that even as you get closer, even the AA guns open up other ships. I don't care if they don't do damage, I want a wall of shells flying between ships.

dublish
Oct 31, 2011


I love the Scharnhorst but hate when my team abandons me to get focused by 5 battleships with battleship guns. I've got to figure out how to let other people get between me and the bad guys.

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

TK status and chatbanned till tomorrow. god bless america.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon

dublish posted:

I love the Scharnhorst but hate when my team abandons me to get focused by 5 battleships with battleship guns. I've got to figure out how to let other people get between me and the bad guys.

Play with goons. There's always a platoon or two going during peak hours.

AfroSquirrel
Sep 3, 2011

I just had a Blys match where I wound up with mostly T5s, and discovered quite by accident that Blys AP will citadel an Omaha every time. 14 citadels in three volleys (some shells hit water) and he sank.

dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004

Hammerstein posted:

Here's me doing some Bismarck secondaries action vs a Nuremberg, a Tirpitz, a Haguro and a Scharnhorst. Also see how useful sonar is to avoid the death sting from the Haguro's torps. (set video to 1440p in YT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Fjs6ApkIo

I'm really pleased that you have the obligatory exploding Nurnberg in your video.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

AfroSquirrel posted:

I just had a Blys match where I wound up with mostly T5s, and discovered quite by accident that Blys AP will citadel an Omaha every time. 14 citadels in three volleys (some shells hit water) and he sank.

Welcome to the authentic Soviet DD experience.

Godlessdonut
Sep 13, 2005

CitizenKain posted:

I want that even as you get closer, even the AA guns open up other ships. I don't care if they don't do damage, I want a wall of shells flying between ships.

:eng101: There's RL precedent for that! The Samuel B. Roberts was a destroyer escort that basically made a suicide torp run on a heavy cruiser during the Battle Off Samar.

quote:

Roberts had moved so close that the enemy guns could not depress enough to hit her and the shells simply passed overhead. Many hit the carrier Gambier Bay. Once within torpedo range, she launched her three Mark 15 torpedoes. One blew off Chōkai's stern. The American sailors cheered "that a way Whitey, we hit 'em" as if it were a ballgame, as shells were still incoming. Roberts then fought with the Japanese ships for a further hour, firing more than six hundred 5 in shells, and while maneuvering at very close range, mauling Chōkai's superstructure with her 40 mm and 20 mm anti-aircraft guns.

She did eventually sink, taking a few 14" shells. It was later known as "the destroyer escort that fought like a battleship." :911:

A good book on this battle is The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors. I have it and highly recommend it.

AfroSquirrel
Sep 3, 2011

El Disco posted:

:eng101: There's RL precedent for that! The Samuel B. Roberts was a destroyer escort that basically made a suicide torp run on a heavy cruiser during the Battle Off Samar.


She did eventually sink, taking a few 14" shells. It was later known as "the destroyer escort that fought like a battleship." :911:

A good book on this battle is The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors. I have it and highly recommend it.

The Battle off Samar was crazy. If the Sammy B was a T1/T2 premium, I'd buy it immediately just for the legacy.

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

Ice Fist posted:

Maybe it will be better tonight. lol no it won't

Ahahaha first match of the night in my New Mex: Uptiered to T8, We lose, enemy team loses only a single ship.

Update: 2nd game at least went much better: 82k damage, top score on team. Still lost.

Edit: Better for me I meant. lol pubbies still bad.

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wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

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AfroSquirrel posted:

The Battle off Samar was crazy. If the Sammy B was a T1/T2 premium, I'd buy it immediately just for the legacy.

It would be OP as gently caress at T2, since it had real torpedos.

Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:

wdarkk posted:

It would be OP as gently caress at T2, since it had real torpedos.
It could probably work at T3, since it'd pretty much be a Cambeltown that gets better guns in exchange for losing a set of torpedo tubes.

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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

She's tall by low tier standards, has only two guns (but they're big and are in real turrets), and most importantly can only hit 28.7 knots. All that and only one triple tube mount is tier 2 material. Tier 3 destroyers and a worrying number of cruisers can run her down or at least hold her in a fight for a long time.

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