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LemonDrizzle posted:I very much want to see a Sarko-Le Pen faceoff in 2017 if only so my country becomes less isolated in terms of making terrible choices for no particularly good reason.
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:Mini-poll: if it boils down to Le Pen-Sarkozy, what's the best building that provides both cover and a quit exit. To take pictures from. The building. Pictures of the next president. Oh god please don't click submit to lat enjoy your fiche s
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Nyandaber Z posted:The media did mention the death and the march but didn't look into it deeper, and they quickly stopped talking about it because burkinis are more important. Even the anti-racists associations did the minimum, while being on top of the latest muslim beachwear fashion.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Le Pen is going to round up all the Muslims in France and force them to march to Britain through the Chunnel. May then declares it an EU-caused public emergency that has to be met with the force of arms if need be and sets up a minefield in front of the UK exit. Despite all the refugees dying both sides are privately content with the result.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Le Pen is going to round up all the Muslims in France and force them to march to Britain through the Chunnel. This sounds like a setup for a nuclear apocalypse, the world will blowup as they march through and it'll be metro 2033 except muslims. Sounds pretty cool tbh.
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Belgian government has decided to improve security in Brussels subways: I feel safer already
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Private Speech posted:Despite all the refugees dying both sides are privately content with the result. So, how many posters in this thread think there were almost no Muslims in France until the refugee crisis? Because it's not the first post I see that implies this.
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Homeless Friend posted:This sounds like a setup for a nuclear apocalypse, the world will blowup as they march through and it'll be metro 2033 except muslims. Sounds pretty cool tbh.
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Kassad posted:So, how many posters in this thread think there were almost no Muslims in France until the refugee crisis? Because it's not the first post I see that implies this.
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Speaking of Sarkozy, guess who just got involved in the criminal trial of his party's illegal financing of his 2012 presidential campaign, just in the middle of his party primary?
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All I want for Christmas is Sarkozy in jail.
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# ? Sep 5, 2016 10:58 |
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Good piece on the attempted assassination of Francois Hollande by the coward Emmanuel Macron. It's kind of hard to excerpt because there's a lot of interesting stuff: http://www.politico.eu/article/macrons-choice-kill-hollande-or-be-killed/quote:PARIS — Emmanuel Macron is “dishonest,” “a traitor,” a “deserter” and “political monster,” “a felon” whose aim is “to destroy the Socialist party.” And that’s just according to the Socialist politicians whose camp he supposedly belongs to.
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LemonDrizzle posted:I guess I'm displaying my near-total ignorance of French politics here, but I didn't know there was bad blood between Valls and Macron - I thought they were (broadly speaking) allies on the right of the socialists. Was that once the case? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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building on that, macron and valls are right-wing in very different ways - macron is very much a representative of the cosmopolitan bourgeoisie, whereas valls is probably europe's leading exponent of the "national identity" doctrine of solving the crisis of social democracy - effectively abandoning notional internationalism in order to fight back against the FN advance. french political history is set up to make this move more credible than elsewhere, but it's still a very hard sell for a variety of reasons, not least the moral outrage and diverse background of the modern left's activist base
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They're bitter rivals who can only work together when it comes to a project they both agree too, such as rolling back all the social progress accomplished since the Front Populaire. This is what qualifies them as left-wing, because the right-wing's goal is to roll back all the social progress accomplished since the Revolution. Modern day socialists merely want to return to 1930, while the republicans want to return all the way to 1780. Basically both parties are named after the things they hate the most.
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V. Illych L. posted:building on that, macron and valls are right-wing in very different ways - macron is very much a representative of the cosmopolitan bourgeoisie, whereas valls is probably europe's leading exponent of the "national identity" doctrine of solving the crisis of social democracy - effectively abandoning notional internationalism in order to fight back against the FN advance. french political history is set up to make this move more credible than elsewhere, but it's still a very hard sell for a variety of reasons, not least the moral outrage and diverse background of the modern left's activist base My impression was that the neoliberal wing of the French left was very weak compared to in Anglo countries or say Germany, though? What is the feeling in the party base, is Macron moving against it?
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icantfindaname posted:My impression was that the neoliberal wing of the French left was very weak compared to in Anglo countries or say Germany, though? What is the feeling in the party base, is Macron moving against it? i haven't lived in france since before macron became prominent, so i honestly don't know
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Cat Mattress posted:This is what qualifies them as left-wing, because the right-wing's goal is to roll back all the social progress accomplished since the Revolution. Modern day socialists merely want to return to 1930, while the republicans want to return all the way to 1780. Basically both parties are named after the things they hate the most. icantfindaname posted:My impression was that the neoliberal wing of the French left was very weak compared to in Anglo countries or say Germany, though? What is the feeling in the party base, is Macron moving against it? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Sep 6, 2016 |
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yikes
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# ? Sep 6, 2016 15:57 |
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For those who don't get it: "fdesouche.com" stands for "français de souche", or pureblood French in English. It's a far-right news website.
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They didn't teach me racist French in school. Can you translate that?
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# ? Sep 6, 2016 16:10 |
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it's a school book about civics, the quote isn't particularly racist (it's about diversity in elite schools) but hilariously the makers of the book chose to source their quotes to a notorious far right website
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It's like a texan school book quoting Obama and then sourcing it to stormfront.org
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They wanted a source for their quote about Fadela Amara explaining that wanting more people with scholarships in the prestigious grandes écoles was also about increasing diversity in there, and the first they found was a racist site that had hoarded this citation probably as a way to prove the ongoing great replacement conspiracy.
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Toplowtech posted:It's like a texan school book quoting Obama and then sourcing it to stormfront.org
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Bastia's high court uphold the public order decree in a Corsican village, you thought this was the end but nope
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itshappening dot jay eye eff e: same thing with Juppe instead of Sarko: Also, the PVV may or may not be on course to come out on top in the Dutch elections this year so hopefully we can all go into an destructive spiral of political insanity together. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Kurtofan posted:Bastia's high court uphold the public order decree in a Corsican village, you thought this was the end but nope Corsica knows what they did.
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lol I hope Mélenchon beats Hollande
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Maybe this time around Cheminade will reach 1% (lol no he won't)
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I hope Asselineau makes it, just so my insane upr facebook friends can have something to post about MEDIAS ARENT TALKING ABOUT IT
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I can already tell how it's going to turn out: Marine Le Pen is going to loose, whoever got elected just because they're not her will do a winning speech about how they're proud that everyone gave them their trust, how they totally heard the people voting FN because they're pissed by the current politics, and how they'll totally change France for the better while they'll actually continue the same poo poo that gives FN more votes. Repeat until LePen get elected and sinks the country or they sink the country themselves. Either way we're hosed.
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LemonDrizzle posted:
Who is Juppé? Never heard of him.
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Libluini posted:Who is Juppé? Never heard of him. vvvv that would be Adolphe Thiers. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Preliminary congratulations to Hollande for claiming the title of the worst president in France's history.
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Libluini posted:Who is Juppé? Never heard of him. Meet Alain Juppé. He's 71 but always looked like an old man. He's a long time fixture of the RPR/UMP/LR, having served as Budget Minister, Foreign Affairs Minister and Prime Minister. He spent years as Chirac's right-hand man. He served him at the Paris City Hall where he took part in Chirac's system of bribery, fake construction contracts and political kickbacks. He was later busted for it and condemned to the harshest sentence imaginable: one year of exile in Canada. Well actually, he was barred from public life for one year and crossed the Atlantic to teach economics in some college and make people forget him. (He was later welcomed back into the fold because: 1- lol nothing matters, and 2- everyone knew he'd fallen onto his sword to protect Jacques.) But before being disgraced by communist judges he served as Chichi's first Prime Minister, from 1995 to 1997. His brand of technocratic reform lead to the biggest strikes in decades when he went after the pension system. France has a lively tradition of strikes, but the 95/96 shitshow is remembered today as "the last big one". He was seen as cold and authoritarian at the time, insisting he'd stay "straight up in his boots" and wouldn't back down when the entire country was in the street against him. (He did back down in the end, but not before becoming the least popular PM in history.) He's been Mayor of Bordeaux on and off for 20 years and from what I gather he actually did a good job there and enjoys a lot of local support. What matters though is that, as the last chiraquien on the board he loathes Sarko and makes for a good alternative in the primaries: he's very experienced, highly intelligent (Chirac famously introduced him as "the best among us"), his image has somewhat mellowed with time and, most importantly, he is not named Nicolas Sarkozy. Politicaly he is as right-wing austerity über Alles as they come, but he is not a hard liner on "national identity". This will probably hurt him in the primaries considering Sarko's tone, but might help in the general with the center and left wing who won't see him as a scarecrow.
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Nyandaber Z posted:I can already tell how it's going to turn out: Marine Le Pen is going to loose, whoever got elected just because they're not her will do a winning speech about how they're proud that everyone gave them their trust, how they totally heard the people voting FN because they're pissed by the current politics, and how they'll totally change France for the better while they'll actually continue the same poo poo that gives FN more votes. Repeat until LePen get elected and sinks the country or they sink the country themselves. Either way we're hosed. Yep, they've won, they've reached the point where avoiding a Le Pen victory doesn't seem really meaningful or important anymore. gently caress them. Libluini posted:Who is Juppé? Never heard of him. It's the guy who wanted to sell Thomson (now Thales) for one (1) franc to Daewoo. Because Thomson's finance were bad, while Daewoo's were excellent! Public outcry successfully aborted the sale, and then a few months later Daewoo went bankrupt. Fun fact: Juppé was nicknamed "Amstrad" early on in his career because of how modern and technocratic he was! Friendly Humour posted:Preliminary congratulations to Hollande for claiming the title of the worst president in France's history. Nah, Sarkozy was still worse. At least Hollande wasn't a complete disaster on foreign policy; for example I really doubt Sarko would have obtained an agreement for the COP 21 (or even cared about getting one anyway). And if we look outside of the fifth republic, then there's harsh competition for the title.
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aka the last president before President Marine
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Cat Mattress posted:Fun fact: Juppé was nicknamed "Amstrad" early on in his career because of how modern and technocratic he was!
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aka the oldest man on earth
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