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Notice how all this handwringing ultimately boils down to is that the reason that Notorious Batshit Insane Guy is bad is because now other characters will have to interact with and be effected by this moral universe. Barry Allen actually has to interact with this guy who represents The Boondock Saints, and Barry might like that movie! Ah!
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Sep 9, 2016 19:05
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K. Waste posted:Barry Allen actually has to interact with this guy who represents The Boondock Saints, and Barry might like that movie! Ah! lol
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Sep 9, 2016 19:06
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Avengers got a reaction out of a lot of people. "This is pretty kick rear end!" That's true. I just don't remember anything specifically related to the destruction of buildings. Even the tragic death of cars meme didn't happen until after MoS came out and we got the movie fights. I wish we could get a general movie fight thread.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:06
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Brainiac Five posted:But why did you respond to a post about Justice League by talking about the Avengers? I believe Captain America: Civil War was about how superheros need government oversight. These DC movies aren't that. Superman and co. answer to no one because why would they? They have all the power and humanity is weak. Our best weapons can't stop them. They're untouchable. Ugly power fantasy. I suppose if you want a sneering disdain for the superheo genre as a whole Snyders output so far is right up your alley.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:06
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Detective No. 27 posted:I wish we could get a general movie fight thread. A tournament of directors would be dope. Yaws posted:I believe Captain America: Civil War was about how superheros need government oversight. No.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:08
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Yaws posted:I believe Captain America: Civil War was about how superheros need government oversight. These DC movies aren't that. Superman and co. answer to no one because why would they? They have all the power and humanity is weak. Our best weapons can't stop them. They're untouchable. Superman literally showed up to traffic court when summoned.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:11
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Detective No. 27 posted:I wish we could get a general movie fight thread. It's time, I think.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:11
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Captain America was above all a love story about having faith in and making sacrifices for your partner, and it worked pretty well on that level.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:11
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quote:A tournament of directors would be dope. Zack Snyder would easily defeat all other directors in hand-to-hand combat.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:14
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Yaws posted:I believe Captain America: Civil War was about how superheros need government oversight. These DC movies aren't that. Superman and co. answer to no one because why would they? They have all the power and humanity is weak. Our best weapons can't stop them. They're untouchable. CW said it was about that, what it was about instead was cross marketing and vertical integration for Marvel's shared brand. And we got this incredible frame out of it:  Just look at it, it's a :masterstroke:
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Sep 9, 2016 19:14
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Yaws posted:I believe Captain America: Civil War was about how superheros need government oversight.  the hero of that movie rejects government oversight and sets out on his own you dense fool
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Sep 9, 2016 19:18
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Jerk McJerkface posted:CW said it was about that, what it was about instead was cross marketing and vertical integration for Marvel's shared brand. I love your photoshops CP Guy A. Person posted:
And the semi-antagonist brags about being able to flout the rules thanks to money and power, and is the person supporting said "oversight"
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Sep 9, 2016 19:23
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Detective No. 27 posted:That's true. I just don't remember anything specifically related to the destruction of buildings. Even the tragic death of cars meme didn't happen until after MoS came out and we got the movie fights. It's hard to separate all that, I think. When Avengers 1 came out it was tonally similar to the X/Spidey movies that people were used to, and no one was comparing to transformers or those weather disaster movies that were doing the urban destruction thing. When MoS included that stuff alongside this new guy that people assumed would be a rebirth of the Reeve Superman, it prompted more venom than if it had been a Shazam movie or a Godzilla movie. Then around here the cars memes and screenshots emerge as a response to THAT response, and nowadays it's like DBZ where a single shitposter will emerge to battle the thread for 5 or so pages with bad faith arguments until the next one comes along. I do wonder if this thread's consistently bicker-y tone would chill a little bit if it wasn't so hard to tell who is being sarcastic vs. serious. I keep chuckling at posts before it subsequently becomes evident the person wasn't joking. Most posters are just having fun but there are brief flashes of acidity where I just wanna say they're all just movies bud. A general movie fight thread that features more than 2 directors and doesn't feature franchises that people are so sensitive about so it can be more relaxed would be cool though. Otherwise there's plenty of fighting here to go around already...
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Sep 9, 2016 19:34
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MacheteZombie posted:He's just taking a nap. He'll be fine. This is my favorite thing in the new cut. on Shops, at least that one was fairly dece right? Not a big ol contrasted mess I hope.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:34
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MacheteZombie posted:All those electrical sparks coming off Doomsday was actually The Flash, he was there, he knows what kind of monster Batman is, he doesn't care though because he voted for Ron Paul. Wouldn't he have voted for Nader in that case?
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Sep 9, 2016 19:35
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Electromax posted:nowadays it's like DBZ where a single shitposter will emerge to battle the thread for 5 or so pages with bad faith arguments until the next one comes along. i'm Krillin
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Sep 9, 2016 19:39
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CelticPredator posted:on Shops, at least that one was fairly dece right? Not a big ol contrasted mess I hope. You can tell it's a shop thanks to the edges around stuff, but I like the use of the colors far more than the theatrical version (which was your point when you made it). A dusk/dawn setting for that airport fight would have made that scene stand out more and be visually interesting. As is that scene basically only has Antman's big moment going for it.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:39
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CelticPredator posted:on Shops, at least that one was fairly dece right? Not a big ol contrasted mess I hope. Big Jimmy Barnes is the one that's been most obviously shopped in, but overall it's a solid image
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Sep 9, 2016 19:39
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Guy A. Person posted:i'm Krillin RIP HIJK posted:Wouldn't he have voted for Nader in that case? Eh, had to pick a name on the far right. Nader would probably be afraid of Flash's electrical power output though. Deemed as too scary for the public good.
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Guy A. Person posted:i'm Krillin I'm a random member of the Ginyu Force.
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I enjoy the implication that superheroes can only avoid the label of right-wing power fantasy by becoming a literal extension of the U.S. military.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:41
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Equilibrium posted:I enjoy the implication that superheroes can only avoid the label of right-wing power fantasy by becoming a literal extension of the U.S. military. lol this is a really, really good point holy poo poo
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Sep 9, 2016 19:42
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MacheteZombie posted:You can tell it's a shop thanks to the edges around stuff, but I like the use of the colors far more than the theatrical version (which was your point when you made it). Jenny Angel posted:Big Jimmy Barnes is the one that's been most obviously shopped in, but overall it's a solid image word. I did it quick. Not my best, but I guess it is my best considering it isn't the other ones haha. Edit: Actually, Barnes isn't shopped in, but the sky above him isn't that well done. Quick 'n dirty.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:47
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Yaws posted:I believe Captain America: Civil War was about how superheros need government oversight. These DC movies aren't that. Superman and co. answer to no one because why would they? They have all the power and humanity is weak. Our best weapons can't stop them. They're untouchable. It isn't a power fantasy; the audience reaction to it is fear. We're afraid of even a Batman who kills, and rightly so. After all, Bruce Wayne became Batman in order to scare us straight through violence, that is who Batman is. It would be a power fantasy if it were made comfortable so that we didn't have to be afraid. Batman actually kills in other Batman movies, but this is the movie in which there are complaints. It can't be because he kills; he does that in other Batman movies. What BvS does is show us Batman killing without making it comfortable for the audience. That violence is fun and comfortable rather than terrifying is the right-wing fantasy. You are objecting to this challenge to your fantasy of a man who exists to inflict terror through violence being "okay" because somehow no real harm is done.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:49
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Equilibrium posted:I enjoy the implication that superheroes can only avoid the label of right-wing power fantasy by becoming a literal extension of the U.S. military. Then they become a neoliberal power fantasy. What you do matters not at all but the posture you take when doing it means everything. Batman's solemn vow not to paralyze people for life.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:50
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Equilibrium posted:I enjoy the implication that superheroes can only avoid the label of right-wing power fantasy by becoming a literal extension of the U.S. military. I feel like it's in part a symptom of how the Russo movies want to be taken seriously as political thrillers and operate within the language of politics but are also super allergic to anything remotely resembling policy, so the whole concept of the Sokovia Accords just becomes this empty canard that's gonna get flouted and/or co-opted by existing moneyed interests from day one, and if we're really generous then that's maybe the (hyper-cynical) point It also rules how the general geek culture zeitgeist is pro-Marvel and anti-DC but is also generally liberally-minded so like, there are some bonus points on the table that they can score if they also point out how Marvel movies support these egalitarian and tolerant values, how DC movies are vile right-wing power fantasies, how Zack Snyder is a die-hard objectivist, and so on. It's almost always hopelessly out of its depth, but like... it's just too drat tempting to pass up
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Sep 9, 2016 19:51
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Jenny Angel posted:I feel like it's in part a symptom of how the Russo movies want to be taken seriously as political thrillers and operate within the language of politics but are also super allergic to anything remotely resembling policy, so the whole concept of the Sokovia Accords just becomes this empty canard that's gonna get flouted and/or co-opted by existing moneyed interests from day one, and if we're really generous then that's maybe the (hyper-cynical) point
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Sep 9, 2016 19:59
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Equilibrium posted:I enjoy the implication that superheroes can only avoid the label of right-wing power fantasy by becoming a literal extension of the U.S. military. At least then they'd answer to someone. The Commander and Chief of the military is the President who is elected by the people. Superman is a some random alien dickhead who treats Earth and humanity like his little playthings. All the power in the world and no one to answer to. He faces no meaningful consequences for his gross incompetence in the Zod fight in MoS. Same with Batman. That mother fucker belongs in prison.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:00
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Yaws posted:At least then they'd answer to someone. The Commander and Chief of the military is the President who is elected by the people. Superman is a some random alien dickhead who treats Earth and humanity like his little playthings. All the power in the world and no one to answer to. He faces no meaningful consequences for his gross incompetence in the Zod fight in MoS. Same with Batman. That mother fucker belongs in prison.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:01
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achillesforever6 posted:I doubt that the Russos want their movies want to be taken that seriously People nevertheless do.
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I would probably be pretty conflicted if there was an invulnerable god-man out and about because that is some really scary poo poo. Hm, he could destroy this entire city and all other cities in the world and we wouldn't have a say in it. Also, he identifies as American, what does that mean, will he fight for America if there's a war  The upside is that he appears to be on our side, at least For now 
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Sep 9, 2016 20:05
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achillesforever6 posted:I doubt that the Russos want their movies want to be taken that seriously You didn't want Chiwetel Ejiofor to be Dr. Strange because he's black and Dr. Strange is white.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:06
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Detective No. 27 posted:Oh, so you're doing the Lex Luthor posting gimmick. Ok. You're right we should just let them do whatever the gently caress they want, there's no way that will ever turn out bad. How silly of that guy for suggesting oversight would be a good thing.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:06
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Yaws posted:At least then they'd answer to someone. The Commander and Chief of the military is the President who is elected by the people. Superman is a some random alien dickhead who treats Earth and humanity like his little playthings. All the power in the world and no one to answer to. He faces no meaningful consequences for his gross incompetence in the Zod fight in MoS. A Superman who answered to Bush and Cheney would have sure been something
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:You're right we should just let them do whatever the gently caress they want, there's no way that will ever turn out bad. How silly of that guy for suggesting oversight would be a good thing. It works so well for the US Military.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:08
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:You're right we should just let them do whatever the gently caress they want, there's no way that will ever turn out bad. How silly of that guy for suggesting oversight would be a good thing. This Superman was in The Dark Knight, Reagan sent him to murder Batman for making the government look bad.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:09
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:You're right we should just let Superman do whatever the gently caress he wants Congratulations, you've decoded the message of Batman v Superman, a movie that ends with Superman (of his own free will) dying for his adopted planet and Batman's redemption. It's almost like he's the only son of this godly force that chooses to constrain, submit, humble, and ultimately sacrifice himself for the good of Mankind. But - and this is important - he doesn't smile enough while doing it. So gently caress that guy.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:A Superman who answered to Bush and Cheney would have sure been something While I'm not sure if this happened in DC Comics, the Ultimate Marvel universe at least took a stab at this 
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