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Party Plane Jones posted:Isn't Seattle and the surrounding area basically the area where bikini-clad barista drive-throughs are obscenely popular (and usually also involved in some light prostitution rings on the side) I'd put that up there with bartenders in terms of "You'll probably be making $30-$40 an hour, but your soul will die for it." so not sure that's really a similar situation. But yes that happens a lot. Not in Seattle proper since I think? it's illegal, but mainly in the outskirts. e: Yeah I just checked. If you live in Washington, Oregon, Nevada, California, Alaska, Guam?, Montana, and Minnesota the law requires you get full minimum wage plus tips. Everywhere else is hosed! Don't live in everywhere else! Rookersh fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Epic High Five posted:The stuff that will help them is the stuff they will vote against if it's a liberal proposing it. Capitalism and the private sector have failed them but they still worship them. They will need to be dragged I am afraid I'm curious what you think will help them? The standard coastal liberal answer is "education" but that just doesn't work. Even with a college education, even if it was free, there just aren't enough jobs left for everyone. Not even close. That's not to mention the dilapidated state of their communities, the lack of basic human services... this isn't a problem that can be solved by turning everyone into New Yorker-reading urbanites with MBAs. I'm honestly at a loss. Guaranteed basic income is a start, and since we're about to elect the Democratic party's biggest champion of incrementalism and triangulation we know we're not even going to get that much.
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Rookersh posted:I'd put that up there with bartenders in terms of "You'll probably be making $30-$40 an hour, but your soul will die for it." so not sure that's really a similar situation. But yes that happens a lot. Not in Seattle proper since I think? it's illegal, but mainly in the outskirts. Doesnt this stem from that right to work bullshit that got passed in most states?
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Newly uncovered HP Lovecraft novella looking good.
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It's not like electing a sweeping reformer who wants to burn it all down would do us any good in the current political climate. So long as the Republican Party is both totally useless and in control of a majority of the country, expecting major change or sweeping progress is like hoping for fairy dust raining from a flying unicorn from Mars. This wouldn't be completely horrible if not for climate change, though.
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Rookersh posted:Seattle. Minimum was $9, now $12 ( will be $15 soon. ). You average about $5 more per day in tips ( honestly more if you work in a good shop, but I'm counting bad shops here. ). Your math doesn't make any sense. A five-hour day at $9 is $45, plus $5/day in tips is $50 a day. That's poverty wages.
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Rookersh posted:The irony is the people I work with are all severe alcoholics, so while they are making the $18-$25 range, they still can't pay rent because they spend so much of it on booze and drugs. Same with all the servers I know. Getting livable wages per paycheck doesn't seem to stop people from living beyond their means very well. Are they also only working 5 hour days? Because assuming a regular five day work week, that's actually not that great. It'd be the equivalent of making around $11/hour at a full time job.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I'm curious what you think will help them? The standard coastal liberal answer is "education" but that just doesn't work. Even with a college education, even if it was free, there just aren't enough jobs left for everyone. Not even close. That's not to mention the dilapidated state of their communities, the lack of basic human services... this isn't a problem that can be solved by turning everyone into New Yorker-reading urbanites with MBAs. I'm honestly at a loss. Guaranteed basic income is a start, and since we're about to elect the Democratic party's biggest champion of incrementalism and triangulation we know we're not even going to get that much. naw, New New Deal. GMI is going to be key for the future, it's just the reality of a world where production is up but jobs are down thanks to automation. But the NND and GMI are socialism, so they will never be allowed in, or if it is they will only accept it if it's a literal white supremacist pitching it, for "reasons"
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So Hillary raised $150 million in September. Her most so far.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So Hillary raised $150 million in September. Her most so far. Shes got this in the bag
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Oh joy Trump telling his supporters in PA in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS to patrol "certain" polling places for "bad things" that happen all the time thereShimrra Jamaane posted:So Hillary raised $150 million in September. Her most so far. Trump raised 3 bits of string He has valued each bit of string at 75mil each What an amazing fundraiser
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I was wondering what Trump was saying at his rally tonight. So besides his call for the Rascal Battalions to patrol the voting precincts what other abhorrent things is he saying?Mel Mudkiper posted:I gotta admit I panicked a bit when I saw the Hillary leak but listening to it and the context of what she said, I think this is not gonna stick to her College football has already dropped it down the list of Twitter trends, which is the only place that you could find anyone talking about it.
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Epic High Five posted:Let me just tell you now that being a server/barista in 99% of the country is a poo poo job that pays nothing it really depends on where you work, how good you are at serving, and how physically attractive you are. serving doesn't pay well but you can crack $20/hr if you know how to pick out good restaurants and choice shifts
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:College football has already dropped it down the list of Twitter trends, which is the only place that you could find anyone talking about it. Yeah CNN doesn't even appear to be biting
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vyelkin posted:Read in full context (or, even better, listening to the actual recordings to hear her tone of voice) reveal her empathy. But just saying "Hillary Clinton says Bernie supporters 'are living in their parents' basement" make her sound really dismissive and mocking. 
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boner confessor posted:it really depends on where you work, how good you are at serving, and how physically attractive you are. serving doesn't pay well but you can crack $20/hr if you know how to pick out good restaurants and choice shifts So the top 5% of servers make under a median wage, what's your point exactly?
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https://twitter.com/newsbysamuels/status/782357088903106560 Not to distract from Trumpchat, but Gary Johnson keeps lending credence to the Libertarian Party. 
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rscott posted:So the top 5% of servers make under a median wage, what's your point exactly? my point is that it's factually incorrect to say most servers don't get paid well. dismal wages are common in foodservice and it's highly based on luck but it's one of the better part time jobs you can get with zero education. god help you if you work at a chain or you're a lifer but if you're a decently attractive twentysomething with good people skills there are much worse jobs you can find for yourself boner confessor fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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rscott posted:So the top 5% of servers make under a median wage, what's your point exactly?
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at least Gary is consistent with his views... They are poo poo views but he is consistent so that says something i guess... 
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Coheed and Camembert posted:https://twitter.com/newsbysamuels/status/782357088903106560 I feel like they explicitly tried this and it was such a disaster that the loans had to be re-nationalized
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Coheed and Camembert posted:https://twitter.com/newsbysamuels/status/782357088903106560 I love this argument because they never use examples. Because none exist. Self regulation always leads to higher costs for consumers. Nationalize everything.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0 helloquote:Trump Tax Records Obtained by The Times Reveal He Could Have Avoided Paying Taxes for Nearly Two Decades
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Coheed and Camembert posted:https://twitter.com/newsbysamuels/status/782357088903106560 this man is popular on college campuses apparently?
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iospace posted:Also! Io's overly simplistic state of the race! Couple pages back, but I just want to point out that 3 points is not "safe". We've seen 3 point swings over the course of a few days before, and there's like 37 left until Election Day. Furnaceface posted:Doesnt this stem from that right to work bullshit that got passed in most states? Maybe indirectly. "Right to Work" means you have the right to free-ride on unions - if there's a union at your shop you don't have to join them but you get the benefits of what they negotiate. This massively weakens unions and makes it harder for them to get non-lovely laws passed politically.
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emdash posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0 hello  well i take back all the bad stuff i said about the nytimes this election
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html NY Times just got a hold of Trump's 1995 tax returns, he declared a loss of $918 million dollars, enough to insure he wouldn't have to pay taxes for the next 18 years. The losses were from all the poo poo he tried to get into- Trump Air, lovely casino management, taking over the Plaza Hotel. The Trump campaign sent a letter to the times saying Hillary's emails were a worse crime, Trump has paid millions in taxes regardless, you gonna get sued cause you got this document illegally.. e;f;b Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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emdash posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0 hello nice
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axeil posted:
tbh I'm not sure it's all that great politically since it's all above board, but it is interesting e: unless they go hard for the "normal people were hosed over by his failure, but he's still reaping the benefits" angle. Not sure if it'll take
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I hope you all appreciate the work that went into this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiYZK23VgcE
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If he has paid no taxes and received almost a billion in taxpayer largess for his various projects, he will end up being the biggest welfare queen ever like, even the poorest of the poor get hit with a bunch of taxes they can't avoid, like sales tax and taxes on utilities etc etc etc Trump doesn't have to pay even those
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emdash posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0 hello Ahahaha. It's a double punch: "Trump is a poo poo businessman who loses all the moneys" and "Trump is a tax cheat."
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emdash posted:tbh I'm not sure it's all that great politically since it's all above board, but it is interesting Three things. A. Almost a billion dollar loss for a "great business man" B. "Is that what Trump is trying to hide by not releasing his returns?" C. Can you prove you have paid taxes in the last 20 years?
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Epic High Five posted:Let me just tell you now that being a server/barista in 99% of the country is a poo poo job that pays nothing Yeah but you don't have to talk to customers really if you stock shelves at Target, and that is worth about $350/hr. Also loool I legit thought that crazy woman was as Onion article at first, then I thought it was going to be about her realizing wow yeah I was nuts, but no, it's just some poor sap the machine has chewed up and she knows this, but has no idea how or why it all happened.
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Night10194 posted:Ahahaha. It's a double punch: "Trump is a poo poo businessman who loses all the moneys" and "Trump is a tax cheat." Not really a tax cheat; there's no consequence for failing at business if you're born rich in the US. The laws are designed that way.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Three things. yeah I guess I'm just trying to temper my expectations my favorite part of the article is where it says the tax docs were sent from a Trump Tower return address. 
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emdash posted:yeah I guess I'm just trying to temper my expectations The boat is leaking again. He must be pissing off his campaign and employees again.
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